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Post by Gods on Apr 18, 2019 9:03:52 GMT
“It may sound frightening but the scientific evidence is that if we have not taken dramatic action within the next decade we could face irreversible damage to the natural world and the collapse of our societies."
Are we really standing on the edge of Armageddon?
There are quite a few folks, mostly on the so-called alt-right, who believe it to all be Jack and the Beanstalk and even if there is something in it then its a small price to pay for some warmer summers!
Go with the science on these things is always my feel. I think we do need to get our shit together.
I suspect that fundamentally there are simply too many of us useless fuckers on the planet earth now, all wanting a Western standard of living. The human race has to come up with some blinding innovation or there needs to be a few less of us about!
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 18, 2019 9:18:29 GMT
“It may sound frightening but the scientific evidence is that if we have not taken dramatic action within the next decade we could face irreversible damage to the natural world and the collapse of our societies." Are we really standing on the edge of Armageddon? There are quite a few folks, mostly on the so-called alt-right, who believe it to all be Jack and the Beanstalk and even if there is something in it then its a small price to pay for some warmer summers! Go with the science on these things is always my feel. I think we do need to get our shit together. I suspect that fundamentally there are simply too many of us useless fuckers on the planet earth now, all wanting a Western standard of living. The human race has to come up with some blinding innovation or there needs to be a few less of us about! Not to sure it’s all man made for millions of years before we were even a twinkle in gods or evolution’s eye the planet has had periods of warming and cooling Some of the current actions of the human race are not helping the situation But to me the bigger worry is we operate our societies on the assumption that the next generation will always be a little bit better off My fear is we have reached the peak and are now on the downward slope with all the social and economic unrest it will bring |
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 18, 2019 11:24:08 GMT
“It may sound frightening but the scientific evidence is that if we have not taken dramatic action within the next decade we could face irreversible damage to the natural world and the collapse of our societies." Are we really standing on the edge of Armageddon? There are quite a few folks, mostly on the so-called alt-right, who believe it to all be Jack and the Beanstalk and even if there is something in it then its a small price to pay for some warmer summers! Go with the science on these things is always my feel. I think we do need to get our shit together. I suspect that fundamentally there are simply too many of us useless fuckers on the planet earth now, all wanting a Western standard of living. The human race has to come up with some blinding innovation or there needs to be a few less of us about! There are two different issues as I see it , the threat to species is one , this is usually caused by loss of habitat as was the sad news that the last female Yangtze turtle died yesterday . Coupled with pollution, poaching , the use of rare animals in Asian medicine , micro plastics , these issues are more important and more of a threat than co2 emissions imo . |
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Post by andrewguk on Apr 18, 2019 11:51:19 GMT
To put it simply, we're f**ked!
We, as a species are too selfish to give a damn.
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Post by Gods on Apr 18, 2019 16:26:24 GMT
To put it simply, we're f**ked! We, as a species are too selfish to give a damn. We're a massive problem , as a species, that's for sure. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 18, 2019 17:19:15 GMT
We are all guilty of putting cost before climate change if it indeed exists as a threat to our survival. I’m as guilty as anybody running a small diesel SUV albeit with the latest ECO 6 engine. An equivalent all electric vehicle would cost 3 times as much to buy and just wouldn’t contemplate it. Also we have a log burner which is enough to heat the whole bungalow. About £80 a year for logs and similar for coal and it sees us through the winter Oct-April. Harry is right imo that plastics and pollution of the food chain present a much greater threat to our survival.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 18, 2019 17:46:55 GMT
We are all guilty of putting cost before climate change if it indeed exists as a threat to our survival. I’m as guilty as anybody running a small diesel SUV albeit with the latest ECO 6 engine. An equivalent all electric vehicle would cost 3 times as much to buy and just wouldn’t contemplate it. Also we have a log burner which is enough to heat the whole bungalow. About £80 a year for logs and similar for coal and it sees us through the winter Oct-April. Harry is right imo that plastics and pollution of the food chain present a much greater threat to our survival. I think carbon emissions are something the world is working on , the U.K. Is making progress on renewable energy . And despite this china continues to build coal fires power stations at an alarming rate . With the development of electric vehicles and hydrogen cell commercial vehicles and ships we are making some slow progress. I believe it's not too late to improve global warming. The other issue as you rightly point out is we need to address global pollution and the destruction of natural habitat including the oceans . There is no coming back from this disaster if it goes too far . The ozone layer we used to hear so much about has repaired itself possibly as a result of CFCs being banned so all isn't lost yet |
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Post by trentvale68 on Apr 18, 2019 17:56:11 GMT
I can honestly say that I think its going to get like the Mad Max movies over the next few decades. As more and more people are forced to leave uninhabitable areas, there'll be no amount of legislation to prevent millions of refugees forcing their way into Western society.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Apr 18, 2019 18:05:53 GMT
If the UK wants to become carbon neutral by 2050 then why are we even entertaining the ridiculous vanity project that is HS2, with the permanent loss of dozens of ancient forests and thousands of acres of wildlife habitats? Why are we even considering building millions of new homes (each with a gas boiler and two cars in the drive) with the same catastrophic consequences? Why are we going ahead with a third runway at Heathrow, again with appalling consequences for the environment?
With the removal of many subsidies for renewable energy it's clear that the UK government is not committed to environmental stewardship. Andrew Simms from the Rapid Transition Alliance has said the UK could achieve net zero by 2025 "if we treated the wellbeing of the biosphere with the same integrity and seriousness with which we treated the integrity of the banking system we would rapidly see the alignment of resources and planning that would achieve these kind of goals."
I'll be watching Attenborough's programme tonight but I'm dreading what he will say to us.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 18, 2019 18:29:17 GMT
The disconnection from and disrespect for nature increases daily.
Heard a story that sums it up for me. A beautiful field of poppies in California was destroyed within a couple of days by folk having selfies in it.
Living life vicariously through a screen, ignorant to what's really going on.
Like AuntieG says above there's industrial scale pollution emissions plastics deforestation, fracking etc by the big corps,
while throwing a guilt trip on the little man for putting their yoghurt pot in the wrong bin.
Hope the old gorilla botherer checks him and his crews' carbon footprints while he's telling us all how naughty we've been.
We can all do a bit on our local patch, and hope it catches on.
It's bigger than us though.
Microwaves, smart meters, 5G etc is the new unseen dangerous pollutant.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 18:48:54 GMT
"Our Planet" on Netflix. Frightening to think how much destruction has been achieved, in such a small space of time.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Apr 18, 2019 18:49:52 GMT
Another unseen pollutant is cryptocurrency. According to Morgan Stanley, the total energy consumption of the bitcoin network is equal to that of 2 million U.S. homes. That's crazy! Not forgetting there are many other crypto networks like Ethereum, Litecoin and Tron. There are loads of hidden pollutants no-one ever talks about.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 18, 2019 19:11:45 GMT
Another unseen pollutant is cryptocurrency. According to Morgan Stanley, the total energy consumption of the bitcoin network is equal to that of 2 million U.S. homes. That's crazy! Not forgetting there are many other crypto networks like Ethereum, Litecoin and Tron. There are loads of hidden pollutants no-one ever talks about. Off topic, but I was watching an interesting thing that reckoned Julian Assange was involved in setting up Bitcoin, it was the only way of monetising Wikileaks because Paypal etc closed him out. I know a few folk who've made small amounts, like the Dark Web I've never really trusted it. Too easily switched off, account zero'd imo. There was also some technical discussion regarding refunds/reversing transactions which went contrary to the non-agent/interference principles of crypto. |
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Post by yes on Apr 18, 2019 21:25:53 GMT
I'm absolutely terrified that my two young kids haven't got a future of any kind to look forward to.
There seems to be no urgency in society despite the amount of warnings we are getting.
We can delay the catastrophic consequences by changing our diets to plant based and regrowing the wilderness and trees that absorb a lot of the carbon in our atmosphere.
I genuinely don't get how everybody is sleep walking into this, it's staring us in the face and we still have a chance to change it.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 19, 2019 5:59:38 GMT
We are all guilty of putting cost before climate change if it indeed exists as a threat to our survival. I’m as guilty as anybody running a small diesel SUV albeit with the latest ECO 6 engine. An equivalent all electric vehicle would cost 3 times as much to buy and just wouldn’t contemplate it. Also we have a log burner which is enough to heat the whole bungalow. About £80 a year for logs and similar for coal and it sees us through the winter Oct-April. Harry is right imo that plastics and pollution of the food chain present a much greater threat to our survival. I think carbon emissions are something the world is working on , the U.K. Is making progress on renewable energy . And despite this china continues to build coal fires power stations at an alarming rate . With the development of electric vehicles and hydrogen cell commercial vehicles and ships we are making some slow progress. I believe it's not too late to improve global warming. The other issue as you rightly point out is we need to address global pollution and the destruction of natural habitat including the oceans . There is no coming back from this disaster if it goes too far . The ozone layer we used to hear so much about has repaired itself possibly as a result of CFCs being banned so all isn't lost yet With the pollution issue it will be a much greater challenge. Invisible plastics and polymers in just about every cosmetic, shampoo, soap, washing liquid of all kinds and more being washed down the drain and ending up in the sea. Down here Plymouth University Marine research Centre have recently stated that micro plastics are now found in every fish that they do pathology on. They have found plastics in the ocean that are over 30 years old. We can deal with the "seen" plastics that we recycle but it’s the hidden plastics that are the greatest threat. |
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 19, 2019 6:45:00 GMT
I think carbon emissions are something the world is working on , the U.K. Is making progress on renewable energy . And despite this china continues to build coal fires power stations at an alarming rate . With the development of electric vehicles and hydrogen cell commercial vehicles and ships we are making some slow progress. I believe it's not too late to improve global warming. The other issue as you rightly point out is we need to address global pollution and the destruction of natural habitat including the oceans . There is no coming back from this disaster if it goes too far . The ozone layer we used to hear so much about has repaired itself possibly as a result of CFCs being banned so all isn't lost yet With the pollution issue it will be a much greater challenge. Invisible plastics and polymers in just about every cosmetic, shampoo, soap, washing liquid of all kinds and more being washed down the drain and ending up in the sea. Down here Plymouth University Marine research Centre have recently stated that micro plastics are now found in every fish that they do pathology on. They have found plastics in the ocean that are over 30 years old. We can deal with the "seen" plastics that we recycle but it’s the hidden plastics that are the greatest threat. It's very hard to avoid contributing to it . Washing clothes such as fleeces with synthetic content puts micro fibres into water system . Tyre wear is another factor as rubber granules find there way into the water supply , rivers and streams . The more you look into his problem you realise is not just obvious things such as littering but things we alll do all the time |
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Post by Northy on Apr 19, 2019 8:15:38 GMT
I'm still shocked after all the news about plastic that we've seen, how supermarkets haven't changed to paper bags for their loose fruit, and the amount of plastic that people are throwing in their trolleys.
A lot of people are thick, bone idle and selfish.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 19, 2019 8:51:36 GMT
I'm still shocked after all the news about plastic that we've seen, how supermarkets haven't changed to paper bags for their loose fruit, and the amount of plastic that people are throwing in their trolleys. A lot of people are thick, bone idle and selfish. Northy the supermarkets have gradually created the plastic problem during the past 50 years mostly to do with barcodes imo . The average punter has very little option as many products have 3 layers of plastic wrapping even for the most committed shopper it's difficult and expensive to avoid |
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 19, 2019 8:54:20 GMT
Meanwhile we'll known euro lovey Emma Thompson flys 4500 miles especially to take part in the climate change protests , .......idiot
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 19, 2019 9:25:56 GMT
I'm still shocked after all the news about plastic that we've seen, how supermarkets haven't changed to paper bags for their loose fruit, and the amount of plastic that people are throwing in their trolleys. A lot of people are thick, bone idle and selfish. Northy the supermarkets have gradually created the plastic problem during the past 50 years mostly to do with barcodes imo . The average punter has very little option as many products have 3 layers of plastic wrapping even for the most committed shopper it's difficult and expensive to avoid So who or what can stop this..... Consumer Supermarkets Wholesale suppliers Plastic wrapping manufacturers Government legislation. Personally think it will have to be the latter because voluntary ethical codes of practice won’t work whilst plastic wrapping is the cheaper option in preserving shelf life. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 9:41:07 GMT
I'm absolutely terrified that my two young kids haven't got a future of any kind to look forward to. There seems to be no urgency in society despite the amount of warnings we are getting. We can delay the catastrophic consequences by changing our diets to plant based and regrowing the wilderness and trees that absorb a lot of the carbon in our atmosphere. I genuinely don't get how everybody is sleep walking into this, it's staring us in the face and we still have a chance to change it. So I take it that you never travel by air, you have an electric car and are a strict Vegan then?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 12:59:29 GMT
I'm still shocked after all the news about plastic that we've seen, how supermarkets haven't changed to paper bags for their loose fruit, and the amount of plastic that people are throwing in their trolleys. A lot of people are thick, bone idle and selfish. Doesn't paper bags involve cutting trees down? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 13:01:39 GMT
I think we need a human cull
Mother nature will get around to it in time
Let's hope me and mine are lucky
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 19, 2019 13:56:38 GMT
I think we need a human cull Mother nature will get around to it in time Let's hope me and mine are lucky No way mate God will come for the socialist s first . Young lilfraise will be fucked |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 19, 2019 17:19:34 GMT
I'm still shocked after all the news about plastic that we've seen, how supermarkets haven't changed to paper bags for their loose fruit, and the amount of plastic that people are throwing in their trolleys. A lot of people are thick, bone idle and selfish. Doesn't paper bags involve cutting trees down? Plenty of sustainable renewable enviromentally ok etc alternatives. Hemp seems to be multipurpose and a top option for such stuff. No need to bleach or dye. I say bring back Raffia! |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 19, 2019 17:23:14 GMT
I'm still shocked after all the news about plastic that we've seen, how supermarkets haven't changed to paper bags for their loose fruit, and the amount of plastic that people are throwing in their trolleys. A lot of people are thick, bone idle and selfish. Doesn't paper bags involve cutting trees down? Plenty of more friendly alternatives. Hemp is suppoaedly good for such stuff. No need to bleach or dye etc. I say bring back Raffia baskets! |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 19, 2019 17:37:48 GMT
Listening to LBC and a few who have been on have been Labour supporters. I wonder how many of them would be doing this if Jezza got in?
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Post by yes on Apr 19, 2019 17:38:41 GMT
I'm absolutely terrified that my two young kids haven't got a future of any kind to look forward to. There seems to be no urgency in society despite the amount of warnings we are getting. We can delay the catastrophic consequences by changing our diets to plant based and regrowing the wilderness and trees that absorb a lot of the carbon in our atmosphere. I genuinely don't get how everybody is sleep walking into this, it's staring us in the face and we still have a chance to change it. So I take it that you never travel by air, you have an electric car and are a strict Vegan then? Nope, and don't trivialise the problem. I've made big steps in my own life to make a difference. That does include being vegan. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 18:13:08 GMT
Doesn't paper bags involve cutting trees down? Plenty of more friendly alternatives. Hemp is suppoaedly good for such stuff. No need to bleach or dye etc. I say bring back Raffia baskets! 😆 |
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Post by starkiller on Apr 19, 2019 18:57:23 GMT
I think we need a human cull Mother nature will get around to it in time Let's hope me and mine are lucky It will be a meteor strike. I think there should be protest against meteors. |
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