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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 18, 2019 2:29:56 GMT
You don't get them anymore. Were the last ones the Gallagher brothers? Stars who unashamedly strut across the stage demand the spotlight and justify it. What's happened? It's all herbal fucking tea and raw carrots now. There's the occasional glimmer. That Harry Styles has a certain Jaggerish look about him but he'd be scared of negative tweets or some shit. Has social media scared everyone? Nowadays they all queue up to meet the bloody queen. At least the Gallagher guitarist got a backlash when he went to no.10. Now you get a backlash if you don't go. Where are they all?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 4:46:31 GMT
Metal bands still go fucking mental, it just isn't mainstream
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 18, 2019 5:36:06 GMT
Metal bands still go fucking mental, it just isn't mainstream Yeah they always did.
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Post by lordb on Apr 18, 2019 5:53:51 GMT
As Liam Gallagher demonstrated 'rockstar behaviour' is actually incredibly boring. Once it lost it shock value (way before the 90's) it had no point.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 18, 2019 7:21:43 GMT
You don't get them anymore. Were the last ones the Gallagher brothers? Stars who unashamedly strut across the stage demand the spotlight and justify it. What's happened? It's all herbal fucking tea and raw carrots now. There's the occasional glimmer. That Harry Styles has a certain Jaggerish look about him but he'd be scared of negative tweets or some shit. Has social media scared everyone? Nowadays they all queue up to meet the bloody queen. At least the Gallagher guitarist got a backlash when he went to no.10. Now you get a backlash if you don't go. Where are they all? MrsBath just finished reading Anthony Kiedis’ Scare Tissue & in that he says Mick Jagger is a real flop...
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Post by Goonie on Apr 18, 2019 7:32:03 GMT
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 18, 2019 8:39:33 GMT
Rock stars belong to the past as much as cowboys or knights in shining armour.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 18, 2019 9:25:58 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Apr 18, 2019 9:26:20 GMT
Rock stars belong to the past as much as cowboys or knights in shining armour. Tea and biscuits for you eh?
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 18, 2019 9:37:04 GMT
Rock stars belong to the past as much as cowboys or knights in shining armour. Tea and biscuits for you eh? No
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 18, 2019 9:58:36 GMT
We've still got Eugene Robinson of Oxbow fame if yer fancy taking a risk, thrill seeking on the front row.
..and of course we've got our very own Bruce Forthwright of Widgie fame.
Still plenty of wild men/women of rawk out there.
Them in the mainstream are too busy Devil worshipping and having meltdowns to get any proper partying done.
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Post by harryburrows on Apr 18, 2019 10:05:46 GMT
Rock stars belong to the past as much as cowboys or knights in shining armour. The best rock star. Stories of excess are not loutish behaviour such as Gallagher . Keith moons biography was a great read genuinely eccentric and funny anecdotes . I still find the TV out of the bedroom window story very funny . His next door neighbour Oliver Reed and moon had some epic encounters
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Post by Dutchpeter on Apr 18, 2019 10:10:18 GMT
Rock stars belong to the past as much as cowboys or knights in shining armour. The best rock star. Stories of excess are not loutish behaviour such as Gallagher . Keith moons biography was a great read genuinely eccentric and funny anecdotes . I still find the TV out of the bedroom window story very funny . His next door neighbour Oliver Reed and moon had some epic encounters Moon biting Steve McQueen’s dog takes some beating though 😂
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 18, 2019 10:11:37 GMT
Rock stars belong to the past as much as cowboys or knights in shining armour. The best rock star. Stories of excess are not loutish behaviour such as Gallagher . Keith moons biography was a great read genuinely eccentric and funny anecdotes . I still find the TV out of the bedroom window story very funny . His next door neighbour Oliver Reed and moon had some epic encounters Mr&MrsSingh!
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 18, 2019 10:34:13 GMT
It's not even as much to do with the hard living aspect, as actually having a personality and some balls. Move away out of the mainstream pop stuff into the other subcultures such as metal, punk, even some forms of indie rock and all the interesting characters and performers are there, but even these niches seem smaller now than ever before. Maybe I say that because I'm getting old and I'm not involved in these scenes now, but they seem to be shrinking in magnitude every year.
Mainstream musicians are so insipid and inoffensive these days. Just like the music itself, nothing is innovative or controversial. I often wonder whether or not it's by design. There's a clear attempt to sanitise society in general and swing everything to the left, and a big part of that is the policing of language. Culture is a powerful tool and this is also subject to the same policing / exploitation. TV, film and comedy are (by and large) far more bland and beige than at any other time in my life. Perhaps the music scene is deliberately being dumbed down and manipulated too.
If we have hordes of inoffensive, polite young musicians playing one of four different types of pop song: The flat drone of a woman over an electronic beat A black man rapping about nothing in particular A slowed-down acoustic piano or guitar cover with a woman "making it her own" A white bloke warbling like his balls are in a vice
Then people are far less likely to become creative because they don't have any decent sources of inspiration upon which to build. Same logic as Orwell's Newspeak, remove people's ability to express and communicate ideas and the ideas will eventually never form in the first place.
As for alcohol and smoking and substance abuse, imagine the media's backlash if they saw anyone do any of those these days. Punch a paparrazo? Prison. Throw a telly out of the window and the hotel would likely be placed into lockdown whilst armed police turn up and investigate you under terrorism charges.
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Post by redstriper on Apr 18, 2019 11:12:00 GMT
Maybe the youth have noticed that if you want a long life, fronting a band isn't a good option, we lose a bunch each year to suicide or drugs. It's be interesting to work out the life expectancy but it must average out pretty badly.
I don't miss the boorish antics but agree music which gets airtime is incredibly bland these days which is sad.
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Post by andrewguk on Apr 18, 2019 11:53:07 GMT
I'm gonna start a revolutionary hard rock band that opposes the teachings of Islam.
I bet that would get publicity.
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Post by felonious on Apr 18, 2019 12:11:37 GMT
The only recent sighting of the phenomenon would be Pete Doherty.
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Post by heathstokie on Apr 18, 2019 13:44:03 GMT
The only recent sighting of the phenomenon would be Pete Doherty. I think you’re getting a Rock star confused with a dirty little smack head
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Post by felonious on Apr 18, 2019 14:20:29 GMT
The only recent sighting of the phenomenon would be Pete Doherty. I think you’re getting a Rock star confused with a dirty little smack head I think you're underestimating him. If that's your only criteria then you can dismiss virtually every drugged up front man on the list.
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Post by nik80 on Apr 18, 2019 14:22:38 GMT
The only recent sighting of the phenomenon would be Pete Doherty. I think you’re getting a Rock star confused with a dirty little smack head I thought Babyshambles were a really good band. Not so much for the Libertines though... On the rock star front I don't think you can better Ian McCulloch and Bobby Gillispie, they're the real deal.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Apr 18, 2019 14:50:24 GMT
Pete Doherty's sobered up now (I would say "cleaned up" but he still looks like he needs a bath). Big fan of the Libertines and I enjoyed Babyshambles too. Seen the Libs twice, Babyshambles three times and Doherty solo twice.
Part of his appeal is that he's actually quite funny and intelligent too, I think he seemed to become a cliché and started taking drugs in the first place because it was the rock and roll thing to do; so although there's nothing original in his drug use, it was still in pursuit of danger and he has the personality I was on about in my earlier post. Certainly in the earlier years of his career he had a mint, intimate relationship with fans (gigs in his house etc, so never considered himself as separate and inaccessible like most musicians are).
Very distinctive music too. Not to everyone's taste but definitely recognisable, so to me yes, he fits the bill as a proper rock star.
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Post by heathstokie on Apr 18, 2019 14:56:28 GMT
I think you’re getting a Rock star confused with a dirty little smack head I think you're underestimating him. If that's your only criteria then you can dismiss virtually every drugged up front man on the list. I’m not underestimating him I just dont think he’s anywhere near what is called a rock star. And taking copious amounts of smack doesn’t make you a rock star, if it did then Steve Tyler and Al jourgensen top the list by a country mile
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Post by heathstokie on Apr 18, 2019 15:00:20 GMT
I think you’re getting a Rock star confused with a dirty little smack head I thought Babyshambles were a really good band. Not so much for the Libertines though... On the rock star front I don't think you can better Ian McCulloch and Bobby Gillispie, they're the real deal. Bobby Gillespie is a great shout, Rock Star material for me
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Post by felonious on Apr 18, 2019 15:09:52 GMT
I think you're underestimating him. If that's your only criteria then you can dismiss virtually every drugged up front man on the list. I’m not underestimating him I just dont think he’s anywhere near what is called a rock star. And taking copious amounts of smack doesn’t make you a rock star, if it did then Steve Tyler and Al jourgensen top the list by a country mile He's not my favourite artist by a long shot but he's talented, gets the publicity through his antics, doesn't give a shit and there's no doubt him bagging a top rated bird. He's bright, his performance with Andrew Neil was a joy. Neil was clueless that he was being ripped.
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Post by nik80 on Apr 18, 2019 16:22:53 GMT
I thought Babyshambles were a really good band. Not so much for the Libertines though... On the rock star front I don't think you can better Ian McCulloch and Bobby Gillispie, they're the real deal. Bobby Gillespie is a great shout, Rock Star material for me A couple of years ago I saw Echo and the Bunnymen and Primal scream do a joint gig, Ian McCulloch was immaculately wasted, every inch the rock star! I’m not saying it’s big or clever but he acted like the coolest person on the planet 😀 Both bands were brilliant that night too 👍🏼
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Post by salopstick on Apr 18, 2019 16:51:04 GMT
It's not even as much to do with the hard living aspect, as actually having a personality and some balls. Move away out of the mainstream pop stuff into the other subcultures such as metal, punk, even some forms of indie rock and all the interesting characters and performers are there, but even these niches seem smaller now than ever before. Maybe I say that because I'm getting old and I'm not involved in these scenes now, but they seem to be shrinking in magnitude every year. Mainstream musicians are so insipid and inoffensive these days. Just like the music itself, nothing is innovative or controversial. I often wonder whether or not it's by design. There's a clear attempt to sanitise society in general and swing everything to the left, and a big part of that is the policing of language. Culture is a powerful tool and this is also subject to the same policing / exploitation. TV, film and comedy are (by and large) far more bland and beige than at any other time in my life. Perhaps the music scene is deliberately being dumbed down and manipulated too. If we have hordes of inoffensive, polite young musicians playing one of four different types of pop song: The flat drone of a woman over an electronic beat A black man rapping about nothing in particular A slowed-down acoustic piano or guitar cover with a woman "making it her own" A white bloke warbling like his balls are in a vice Then people are far less likely to become creative because they don't have any decent sources of inspiration upon which to build. Same logic as Orwell's Newspeak, remove people's ability to express and communicate ideas and the ideas will eventually never form in the first place. As for alcohol and smoking and substance abuse, imagine the media's backlash if they saw anyone do any of those these days. Punch a paparrazo? Prison. Throw a telly out of the window and the hotel would likely be placed into lockdown whilst armed police turn up and investigate you under terrorism charges. And that is why my music collection is mostly stuck in the 70s and 80s
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Post by heathstokie on Apr 18, 2019 18:41:14 GMT
Bobby Gillespie is a great shout, Rock Star material for me A couple of years ago I saw Echo and the Bunnymen and Primal scream do a joint gig, Ian McCulloch was immaculately wasted, every inch the rock star! I’m not saying it’s big or clever but he acted like the coolest person on the planet 😀 Both bands were brilliant that night too 👍🏼 McCulloch epitomises coolness, him and Gillespie are in that group that just ooze rock n roll star, it’s not an act with these people, they were born to be that cool
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 18, 2019 18:51:51 GMT
A couple of years ago I saw Echo and the Bunnymen and Primal scream do a joint gig, Ian McCulloch was immaculately wasted, every inch the rock star! I’m not saying it’s big or clever but he acted like the coolest person on the planet 😀 Both bands were brilliant that night too 👍🏼 McCulloch epitomises coolness, him and Gillespie are in that group that just ooze rock n roll star, it’s not an act with these people, they were born to be that cool Gillespie is on somat, Peanuts maybe 🥜
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 18:55:27 GMT
One of the finest voices of our generation.
Not exactly rock and roll as such but fuck me this is beautiful.
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