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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Apr 30, 2019 8:50:33 GMT
Not surprised to once again find I’m in complete disagreement. I thought it was total shit scripting and really predictable. Why the fuck were they specifically after bran? Just poor... Bran said why they were specifically after him in the last episode. Because they want to wipe out the existence and history of man and Bran has access to everything in the past. I thought tactically the battle was a disgrace, the living deserved to lose. Cavalry as the front line, chucking itself away early, the 2nd line of the onagers (that they couldn’t really use because of the stupid cavalry charge and then how exposed that made them). Lines of men in front of a trench with a narrow retreat point... it was a fucking shambles. I’d have had that battle wrapped up before the Night King got there - front line of the unsullied spearmen pinning them in place, cavalry charging in from the side, onagers and archers well behind the line peppering the rear and the dragon air support. Job done. There were some great parts in the episode, some daft parts and some glaring omissions. They said they took inspiration from the battles in Lord of the Rings but they missed out the main parts from them, which made the ending feel cheap, and that’s ‘the event that swings the battle’... like Gandalf coming at dawn with an army and some trees at Helms Deep or Aragorn turning up late with that ghost army in Return of the King. There was nothing like that in the GoT battle, just some little story arc about Arya forgetting she was a badass for a bit and then remembering. I think the Night King story deserved something bigger. Feel a bit deflated that that part of the story is all over now. 7 series of build-up and mystery and Arya just ends it with a dagger. The daft parts were characters like fat Sam not dying. There’s absolutely no way that him and loads of the others would have survived that for so long. They should have killed off shit loads more main characters or come up with a better reason for them to survive other than they just managed to fight off thousands of crazed zombies for hours whilst overrun and surrounded. Great episode other than that.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 30, 2019 9:00:56 GMT
Battle of the Bastards was better. Thankfully I watched Thronecast to flesh out WTF actually happened and next week looks like we're back to full and clear vision. And we're still on course for Hound v Mountain.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 10:24:04 GMT
Not surprised to once again find I’m in complete disagreement. I thought it was total shit scripting and really predictable. Why the fuck were they specifically after bran? Just poor... Bran said why they were specifically after him in the last episode. Because they want to wipe out the existence and history of man and Bran has access to everything in the past. I thought tactically the battle was a disgrace, the living deserved to lose. Cavalry as the front line, chucking itself away early, the 2nd line of the onagers (that they couldn’t really use because of the stupid cavalry charge and then how exposed that made them). Lines of men in front of a trench with a narrow retreat point... it was a fucking shambles. I’d have had that battle wrapped up before the Night King got there - front line of the unsullied spearmen pinning them in place, cavalry charging in from the side, onagers and archers well behind the line peppering the rear and the dragon air support. Job done. There were some great parts in the episode, some daft parts and some glaring omissions. They said they took inspiration from the battles in Lord of the Rings but they missed out the main parts from them, which made the ending feel cheap, and that’s ‘the event that swings the battle’... like Gandalf coming at dawn with an army and some trees at Helms Deep or Aragorn turning up late with that ghost army in Return of the King. There was nothing like that in the GoT battle, just some little story arc about Arya forgetting she was a badass for a bit and then remembering. I think the Night King story deserved something bigger. Feel a bit deflated that that part of the story is all over now. 7 series of build-up and mystery and Arya just ends it with a dagger. The daft parts were characters like fat Sam not dying. There’s absolutely no way that him and loads of the others would have survived that for so long. They should have killed off shit loads more main characters or come up with a better reason for them to survive other than they just managed to fight off thousands of crazed zombies for hours whilst overrun and surrounded. Great episode other than that. Agree with pretty much all of that. Would’ve liked to have seen blue eyed darth maul actually have a decent scrap. No explanation as to why He was fireproof either. The whole raising the dead thing just made it silly. The crypt bit was actually pretty cool- they could’ve made a lot more of it though.
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Post by iamcliveclarke on Apr 30, 2019 12:19:16 GMT
Not surprised to once again find I’m in complete disagreement. I thought it was total shit scripting and really predictable. Why the fuck were they specifically after bran? I Just poor... Bran said why they were specifically after him in the last episode. Because they want to wipe out the existence and history of man and Bran has access to everything in the past. I thought tactically the battle was a disgrace, the living deserved to lose. Cavalry as the front line, chucking itself away early, the 2nd line of the onagers (that they couldn’t really use because of the stupid cavalry charge and then how exposed that made them). Lines of men in front of a trench with a narrow retreat point... it was a fucking shambles. I’d have had that battle wrapped up before the Night King got there - front line of the unsullied spearmen pinning them in place, cavalry charging in from the side, onagers and archers well behind the line peppering the rear and the dragon air support. Job done. There were some great parts in the episode, some daft parts and some glaring omissions. They said they took inspiration from the battles in Lord of the Rings but they missed out the main parts from them, which made the ending feel cheap, and that’s ‘the event that swings the battle’... like Gandalf coming at dawn with an army and some trees at Helms Deep or Aragorn turning up late with that ghost army in Return of the King. There was nothing like that in the GoT battle, just some little story arc about Arya forgetting she was a badass for a bit and then remembering. I think the Night King story deserved something bigger. Feel a bit deflated that that part of the story is all over now. 7 series of build-up and mystery and Arya just ends it with a dagger. The daft parts were characters like fat Sam not dying. There’s absolutely no way that him and loads of the others would have survived that for so long. They should have killed off shit loads more main characters or come up with a better reason for them to survive other than they just managed to fight off thousands of crazed zombies for hours whilst overrun and surrounded. Great episode other than that. I thought that when the Zombies were standing waiting for the fires to dissipate, that would've been a perfect time to lay into them with arrows and get the dragons to fuck them up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 12:32:21 GMT
Bran said why they were specifically after him in the last episode. Because they want to wipe out the existence and history of man and Bran has access to everything in the past. I thought tactically the battle was a disgrace, the living deserved to lose. Cavalry as the front line, chucking itself away early, the 2nd line of the onagers (that they couldn’t really use because of the stupid cavalry charge and then how exposed that made them). Lines of men in front of a trench with a narrow retreat point... it was a fucking shambles. I’d have had that battle wrapped up before the Night King got there - front line of the unsullied spearmen pinning them in place, cavalry charging in from the side, onagers and archers well behind the line peppering the rear and the dragon air support. Job done. There were some great parts in the episode, some daft parts and some glaring omissions. They said they took inspiration from the battles in Lord of the Rings but they missed out the main parts from them, which made the ending feel cheap, and that’s ‘the event that swings the battle’... like Gandalf coming at dawn with an army and some trees at Helms Deep or Aragorn turning up late with that ghost army in Return of the King. There was nothing like that in the GoT battle, just some little story arc about Arya forgetting she was a badass for a bit and then remembering. I think the Night King story deserved something bigger. Feel a bit deflated that that part of the story is all over now. 7 series of build-up and mystery and Arya just ends it with a dagger. The daft parts were characters like fat Sam not dying. There’s absolutely no way that him and loads of the others would have survived that for so long. They should have killed off shit loads more main characters or come up with a better reason for them to survive other than they just managed to fight off thousands of crazed zombies for hours whilst overrun and surrounded. Great episode other than that. Agree with pretty much all of that. Would’ve liked to have seen blue eyed darth maul actually have a decent scrap. No explanation as to why He was fireproof either. The whole raising the dead thing just made it silly.The crypt bit was actually pretty cool- they could’ve made a lot more of it though. As opposed to three huge dragons flying over head breathing fire everywhere? 😆😆
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Post by Clem Fandango on Apr 30, 2019 12:52:46 GMT
Bran said why they were specifically after him in the last episode. Because they want to wipe out the existence and history of man and Bran has access to everything in the past. I thought tactically the battle was a disgrace, the living deserved to lose. Cavalry as the front line, chucking itself away early, the 2nd line of the onagers (that they couldn’t really use because of the stupid cavalry charge and then how exposed that made them). Lines of men in front of a trench with a narrow retreat point... it was a fucking shambles. I’d have had that battle wrapped up before the Night King got there - front line of the unsullied spearmen pinning them in place, cavalry charging in from the side, onagers and archers well behind the line peppering the rear and the dragon air support. Job done. There were some great parts in the episode, some daft parts and some glaring omissions. They said they took inspiration from the battles in Lord of the Rings but they missed out the main parts from them, which made the ending feel cheap, and that’s ‘the event that swings the battle’... like Gandalf coming at dawn with an army and some trees at Helms Deep or Aragorn turning up late with that ghost army in Return of the King. There was nothing like that in the GoT battle, just some little story arc about Arya forgetting she was a badass for a bit and then remembering. I think the Night King story deserved something bigger. Feel a bit deflated that that part of the story is all over now. 7 series of build-up and mystery and Arya just ends it with a dagger. The daft parts were characters like fat Sam not dying. There’s absolutely no way that him and loads of the others would have survived that for so long. They should have killed off shit loads more main characters or come up with a better reason for them to survive other than they just managed to fight off thousands of crazed zombies for hours whilst overrun and surrounded. Great episode other than that. Agree with pretty much all of that. Would’ve liked to have seen blue eyed darth maul actually have a decent scrap. No explanation as to why He was fireproof either.The whole raising the dead thing just made it silly. The crypt bit was actually pretty cool- they could’ve made a lot more of it though. Isn't it just a case of he's that cold? I felt the end of the Night King was a bit cheap although it was a decent curve ball I just felt the white walker story needed a decent ending given the build up.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Apr 30, 2019 12:56:17 GMT
Not surprised to once again find I’m in complete disagreement. I thought it was total shit scripting and really predictable. Why the fuck were they specifically after bran? Just poor... Bran said why they were specifically after him in the last episode. Because they want to wipe out the existence and history of man and Bran has access to everything in the past. I thought tactically the battle was a disgrace, the living deserved to lose. Cavalry as the front line, chucking itself away early, the 2nd line of the onagers (that they couldn’t really use because of the stupid cavalry charge and then how exposed that made them). Lines of men in front of a trench with a narrow retreat point... it was a fucking shambles. I’d have had that battle wrapped up before the Night King got there - front line of the unsullied spearmen pinning them in place, cavalry charging in from the side, onagers and archers well behind the line peppering the rear and the dragon air support. Job done. There were some great parts in the episode, some daft parts and some glaring omissions. They said they took inspiration from the battles in Lord of the Rings but they missed out the main parts from them, which made the ending feel cheap, and that’s ‘the event that swings the battle’... like Gandalf coming at dawn with an army and some trees at Helms Deep or Aragorn turning up late with that ghost army in Return of the King. There was nothing like that in the GoT battle, just some little story arc about Arya forgetting she was a badass for a bit and then remembering. I think the Night King story deserved something bigger. Feel a bit deflated that that part of the story is all over now. 7 series of build-up and mystery and Arya just ends it with a dagger. The daft parts were characters like fat Sam not dying. There’s absolutely no way that him and loads of the others would have survived that for so long. They should have killed off shit loads more main characters or come up with a better reason for them to survive other than they just managed to fight off thousands of crazed zombies for hours whilst overrun and surrounded. Great episode other than that. At which point he would have just raised all the dead back up again.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 30, 2019 13:13:44 GMT
Bran said why they were specifically after him in the last episode. Because they want to wipe out the existence and history of man and Bran has access to everything in the past. I thought tactically the battle was a disgrace, the living deserved to lose. Cavalry as the front line, chucking itself away early, the 2nd line of the onagers (that they couldn’t really use because of the stupid cavalry charge and then how exposed that made them). Lines of men in front of a trench with a narrow retreat point... it was a fucking shambles. I’d have had that battle wrapped up before the Night King got there - front line of the unsullied spearmen pinning them in place, cavalry charging in from the side, onagers and archers well behind the line peppering the rear and the dragon air support. Job done. There were some great parts in the episode, some daft parts and some glaring omissions. They said they took inspiration from the battles in Lord of the Rings but they missed out the main parts from them, which made the ending feel cheap, and that’s ‘the event that swings the battle’... like Gandalf coming at dawn with an army and some trees at Helms Deep or Aragorn turning up late with that ghost army in Return of the King. There was nothing like that in the GoT battle, just some little story arc about Arya forgetting she was a badass for a bit and then remembering. I think the Night King story deserved something bigger. Feel a bit deflated that that part of the story is all over now. 7 series of build-up and mystery and Arya just ends it with a dagger. The daft parts were characters like fat Sam not dying. There’s absolutely no way that him and loads of the others would have survived that for so long. They should have killed off shit loads more main characters or come up with a better reason for them to survive other than they just managed to fight off thousands of crazed zombies for hours whilst overrun and surrounded. Great episode other than that. At which point he would have just raised all the dead back up again.
Precisely!
They explained in episode 2 that they were specifically going to have to try to draw him out as it wouldn't matter how many of his army they killed. As long as the Night King was still "alive" then he'd just raise the dead ad infinitum, so it was a case of drawing him into the battle so they could target him specifically to end it.
In other words, there was no way to wrap up the battle UNTIL he was there
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 30, 2019 16:38:52 GMT
I would have had more character deaths, particularly some of the more expendable characters like Grey Worm and Brienne etc, but as for the battle the entire point was they had to “lose” in order to win. If they hold off the NK, somehow, he retreats and resurrects thousands more bodies and completely overwhelms them the second time around. They had to let him get into the Godswood to even potentially end it. Walkers have already shown immunity to fire, at Hardhome, the one that Jon eventually kills with Longclaw literally extinguished a fire in order to reach him simply by walking past it, before killing the Thenn. So I’m not too shocked the dragonfire didn’t work either, there was no evidence to suggest it would from previous lore.
Personally I don’t mind the motives of the NK being esoteric, because it perfectly juxtaposes the caniving and intricate schemes of those vying for the Throne. He just wants death and the symbolic death of humanity and memory through Bran who is a vessel for the memory of Westeros. Some decisions were clearly made for cinematics which I can put up with, but other than fewer characters dying than would be exepected I thought it was a great episode.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 16:41:28 GMT
Not surprised to once again find I’m in complete disagreement. I thought it was total shit scripting and really predictable. Why the fuck were they specifically after bran? Just poor... Bran said why they were specifically after him in the last episode. Because they want to wipe out the existence and history of man and Bran has access to everything in the past. I thought tactically the battle was a disgrace, the living deserved to lose. Cavalry as the front line, chucking itself away early, the 2nd line of the onagers (that they couldn’t really use because of the stupid cavalry charge and then how exposed that made them). Lines of men in front of a trench with a narrow retreat point... it was a fucking shambles. I’d have had that battle wrapped up before the Night King got there - front line of the unsullied spearmen pinning them in place, cavalry charging in from the side, onagers and archers well behind the line peppering the rear and the dragon air support. Job done. There were some great parts in the episode, some daft parts and some glaring omissions. They said they took inspiration from the battles in Lord of the Rings but they missed out the main parts from them, which made the ending feel cheap, and that’s ‘the event that swings the battle’... like Gandalf coming at dawn with an army and some trees at Helms Deep or Aragorn turning up late with that ghost army in Return of the King. There was nothing like that in the GoT battle, just some little story arc about Arya forgetting she was a badass for a bit and then remembering. I think the Night King story deserved something bigger. Feel a bit deflated that that part of the story is all over now. 7 series of build-up and mystery and Arya just ends it with a dagger. The daft parts were characters like fat Sam not dying. There’s absolutely no way that him and loads of the others would have survived that for so long. They should have killed off shit loads more main characters or come up with a better reason for them to survive other than they just managed to fight off thousands of crazed zombies for hours whilst overrun and surrounded. Great episode other than that. Very well said. I'm actually mortified at the last episode. It was just terrible, lazy writing and I feel it's cheapened the whole of GOT which is something I love. They're entering Lost territory with this shitty climax.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 16:52:31 GMT
I love all the script writers and directors on here......
It keeps them away from the real thing 😆
Could you imagine how totally fucking shit the program would be with you lot running it?
Apart from the red wedding, that was the best episode for me
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 30, 2019 16:56:06 GMT
Not surprised to once again find I’m in complete disagreement. I thought it was total shit scripting and really predictable. Why the fuck were they specifically after bran? Just poor... Bran said why they were specifically after him in the last episode. Because they want to wipe out the existence and history of man and Bran has access to everything in the past. I thought tactically the battle was a disgrace, the living deserved to lose. Cavalry as the front line, chucking itself away early, the 2nd line of the onagers (that they couldn’t really use because of the stupid cavalry charge and then how exposed that made them). Lines of men in front of a trench with a narrow retreat point... it was a fucking shambles. I’d have had that battle wrapped up before the Night King got there - front line of the unsullied spearmen pinning them in place, cavalry charging in from the side, onagers and archers well behind the line peppering the rear and the dragon air support. Job done.There were some great parts in the episode, some daft parts and some glaring omissions. They said they took inspiration from the battles in Lord of the Rings but they missed out the main parts from them, which made the ending feel cheap, and that’s ‘the event that swings the battle’... like Gandalf coming at dawn with an army and some trees at Helms Deep or Aragorn turning up late with that ghost army in Return of the King. There was nothing like that in the GoT battle, just some little story arc about Arya forgetting she was a badass for a bit and then remembering. I think the Night King story deserved something bigger. Feel a bit deflated that that part of the story is all over now. 7 series of build-up and mystery and Arya just ends it with a dagger. The daft parts were characters like fat Sam not dying. There’s absolutely no way that him and loads of the others would have survived that for so long. They should have killed off shit loads more main characters or come up with a better reason for them to survive other than they just managed to fight off thousands of crazed zombies for hours whilst overrun and surrounded. Great episode other than that. That's completely discounting the storm though, they could only see 10 feet in front of them because of the fire so how do they go about co-ordinating a cavalry charge from the flank when you can't see the flank? Additionally, the Dothraki don't do organised charges, that's why they never besiege the cities of Slavers Bay and instead pick off the villages adjacent to the Great Grass Sea. They were wasted, I agree but I can't see anything else happening even if they did charge from the flanks. Air support was completely compromised by the storm, as Daenerys couldn't see the signal in order to light the trench so again difficult to get low enough to hit the wights without risking a repeat of Viserion's death, and when she did briefly ground, she nearly died . The storm would also allow isolation of individual units unless they stayed around Winterfell, not withstanding the fact if he looked like he was going to lose there was nothing to stop him from strafing the Unsullied lines with Viserion and then raising the dead. The NK's hubris has been part of the show for some time now, he taunted Jon at Hardhome, smirked at the dragonfire and openly played with Jon and co when they went beyond the wall. Playing on that, and allowing him into the Godswood was the only tactic that could feasibly work. Whilst I agree the tactics were non existent and basically replaced for cinematics, I still don't see how the living win this battle in any other way than Pyrrhically.
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Post by Boothen on Apr 30, 2019 18:34:19 GMT
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Apr 30, 2019 18:42:18 GMT
Bran said why they were specifically after him in the last episode. Because they want to wipe out the existence and history of man and Bran has access to everything in the past. I thought tactically the battle was a disgrace, the living deserved to lose. Cavalry as the front line, chucking itself away early, the 2nd line of the onagers (that they couldn’t really use because of the stupid cavalry charge and then how exposed that made them). Lines of men in front of a trench with a narrow retreat point... it was a fucking shambles. I’d have had that battle wrapped up before the Night King got there - front line of the unsullied spearmen pinning them in place, cavalry charging in from the side, onagers and archers well behind the line peppering the rear and the dragon air support. Job done.There were some great parts in the episode, some daft parts and some glaring omissions. They said they took inspiration from the battles in Lord of the Rings but they missed out the main parts from them, which made the ending feel cheap, and that’s ‘the event that swings the battle’... like Gandalf coming at dawn with an army and some trees at Helms Deep or Aragorn turning up late with that ghost army in Return of the King. There was nothing like that in the GoT battle, just some little story arc about Arya forgetting she was a badass for a bit and then remembering. I think the Night King story deserved something bigger. Feel a bit deflated that that part of the story is all over now. 7 series of build-up and mystery and Arya just ends it with a dagger. The daft parts were characters like fat Sam not dying. There’s absolutely no way that him and loads of the others would have survived that for so long. They should have killed off shit loads more main characters or come up with a better reason for them to survive other than they just managed to fight off thousands of crazed zombies for hours whilst overrun and surrounded. Great episode other than that. That's completely discounting the storm though, they could only see 10 feet in front of them because of the fire so how do they go about co-ordinating a cavalry charge from the flank when you can't see the flank? Additionally, the Dothraki don't do organised charges, that's why they never besiege the cities of Slavers Bay and instead pick off the villages adjacent to the Great Grass Sea. They were wasted, I agree but I can't see anything else happening even if they did charge from the flanks. Air support was completely compromised by the storm, as Daenerys couldn't see the signal in order to light the trench so again difficult to get low enough to hit the wights without risking a repeat of Viserion's death, and when she did briefly ground, she nearly died . The storm would also allow isolation of individual units unless they stayed around Winterfell, not withstanding the fact if he looked like he was going to lose there was nothing to stop him from strafing the Unsullied lines with Viserion and then raising the dead. The NK's hubris has been part of the show for some time now, he taunted Jon at Hardhome, smirked at the dragonfire and openly played with Jon and co when they went beyond the wall. Playing on that, and allowing him into the Godswood was the only tactic that could feasibly work. Whilst I agree the tactics were non existent and basically replaced for cinematics, I still don't see how the living win this battle in any other way than Pyrrhically. Well the romans used horns to signal the cavalry, but yeah, I’m not too serious in my complaints about the tactics, I know it was all about the cinematics, without the ridiculous cavalry charge at the beginning exposing the onagers they wouldn’t have that scene where the lights go out from a distance, which is what that was all about. A bit silly and I shouted “oh fuck off” at my TV every few minutes (because I’m a bit of a battle tactics nerd) but I can live with it.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 30, 2019 19:03:31 GMT
That's completely discounting the storm though, they could only see 10 feet in front of them because of the fire so how do they go about co-ordinating a cavalry charge from the flank when you can't see the flank? Additionally, the Dothraki don't do organised charges, that's why they never besiege the cities of Slavers Bay and instead pick off the villages adjacent to the Great Grass Sea. They were wasted, I agree but I can't see anything else happening even if they did charge from the flanks. Air support was completely compromised by the storm, as Daenerys couldn't see the signal in order to light the trench so again difficult to get low enough to hit the wights without risking a repeat of Viserion's death, and when she did briefly ground, she nearly died . The storm would also allow isolation of individual units unless they stayed around Winterfell, not withstanding the fact if he looked like he was going to lose there was nothing to stop him from strafing the Unsullied lines with Viserion and then raising the dead. The NK's hubris has been part of the show for some time now, he taunted Jon at Hardhome, smirked at the dragonfire and openly played with Jon and co when they went beyond the wall. Playing on that, and allowing him into the Godswood was the only tactic that could feasibly work. Whilst I agree the tactics were non existent and basically replaced for cinematics, I still don't see how the living win this battle in any other way than Pyrrhically. Well the romans used horns to signal the cavalry, but yeah, I’m not too serious in my complaints about the tactics, I know it was all about the cinematics, without the ridiculous cavalry charge at the beginning exposing the onagers they wouldn’t have that scene where the lights go out from a distance, which is what that was all about. A bit silly and I shouted “oh fuck off” at my TV every few minutes (because I’m a bit of a battle tactics nerd) but I can live with it. Nah I can get that, and I was playing it in Total War in my head throughrout tbh. Tactics have always been a bit dodgy/hit and miss in GoT and in the books. I had way more problems with last seasons contrivances, compared to the tactics the other night. I’m still fuming they even bothered getting a wight which cost them a dragon in the first place! I think I only give it such a hard time though because I enjoy it so much and want it to be the best it can be. Still love it mind.
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Post by zerps on Apr 30, 2019 19:37:40 GMT
I thought the latest episode was far too dark. Literally dark though. I couldn’t tell what the fuck was going on during the battles. Lots of people complaining about it online. Did the budget run out or was it just badly done?
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Post by adri2008 on Apr 30, 2019 22:50:21 GMT
Absolutely epic battle and the music backed last 15mins or so was fantastic. I felt like i'd been through some sort of traumatic event at the end of it so it was obviously directed well.
However I did feel the Night King being so easily killed was a bit of an anti-climax. A huge build up over the various seasons - 'winter is coming' etc etc and then the bloke gets killed at the first proper battle he faces and that's the end of it all. I was at least expecting Bran/3 eyed raven to intervene decisively in some way rather than flying with some birds for a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 23:12:36 GMT
Could you imagine how totally fucking shit the program would be with you lot running it? Honestly, that last episode felt like it was written by a straw poll off Twitter. I actually loved the Lyanna Mormont speeches throughout the series but the way she died was just pure cheese on toast and looked like it had been dreamt up by an 18 stone feminist. Little Lyanna charges a giant wight, which then conveniently forgets it’s a zombie programmed to kill without thought, so that it can pick her up and allow her to stab it in the face. Little Lyanna, unflinching in the face of certain death. Meanwhile the hound is cowering in a corner somewhere. Ye fucking right. GOT has basically injected progressive politics over the last X seasons, a terrible shame.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 1, 2019 0:49:18 GMT
Could you imagine how totally fucking shit the program would be with you lot running it? Honestly, that last episode felt like it was written by a straw poll off Twitter. I actually loved the Lyanna Mormont speeches throughout the series but the way she died was just pure cheese on toast and looked like it had been dreamt up by an 18 stone feminist. Little Lyanna charges a giant wight, which then conveniently forgets it’s a zombie programmed to kill without thought, so that it can pick her up and allow her to stab it in the face. Little Lyanna, unflinching in the face of certain death. Meanwhile the hound is cowering in a corner somewhere. Ye fucking right. GOT has basically injected progressive politics over the last X seasons, a terrible shame. The Hound fled the Battle of the Blackwater in exactly the same fashion as he was cowering the other night, because it was quite literally his worst nightmare, death and fire and has been regularly frightened on many occasions by fire. He shat himself when Arya tried to cauterise one of his wounds. That’s actual character consistency, so what was wrong with that part? As “for progressive politics” if you haven’t picked up by now that the main characters in books and show are a Dwarf, a woman sold as a sex slave by her brother, a “bastard”, a eunuch, former slaves, a fat guy who can’t fight, a cripple, a reformed trophy wife, 2 traumatised girls, a female knight and a bloke who loses his hand and his idendity all gaining empowerment above their station I kind of think you’ve missed the point that the books are a “progressive” work of fiction. GRRM is one of the most prominent contemporary liberal fiction authors out there.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 2:24:46 GMT
Honestly, that last episode felt like it was written by a straw poll off Twitter. I actually loved the Lyanna Mormont speeches throughout the series but the way she died was just pure cheese on toast and looked like it had been dreamt up by an 18 stone feminist. Little Lyanna charges a giant wight, which then conveniently forgets it’s a zombie programmed to kill without thought, so that it can pick her up and allow her to stab it in the face. Little Lyanna, unflinching in the face of certain death. Meanwhile the hound is cowering in a corner somewhere. Ye fucking right. GOT has basically injected progressive politics over the last X seasons, a terrible shame. The Hound fled the Battle of the Blackwater in exactly the same fashion as he was cowering the other night, because it was quite literally his worst nightmare, death and fire and has been regularly frightened on many occasions by fire. He shat himself when Arya tried to cauterise one of his wounds. That’s actual character consistency, so what was wrong with that part? As “for progressive politics” if you haven’t picked up by now that the main characters in books and show are a Dwarf, a woman sold as a sex slave by her brother, a “bastard”, a eunuch, former slaves, a fat guy who can’t fight, a cripple, a reformed trophy wife, 2 traumatised girls, a female knight and a bloke who loses his hand and his idendity all gaining empowerment above their station I kind of think you’ve missed the point that the books are a “progressive” work of fiction. GRRM is one of the most prominent contemporary liberal fiction authors out there. No mate I’ve always been aware of the underlying themes but they’ve been well done for the most part and I’ve enjoyed them. The last episode though, forget that it felt like it was written by a gaggle of SJWs, I think they took a shit on everything that had come before. It was a narrative disaster that failed so hard I’m still in shock. Am actually heartbroken over it because I loved GOT like nothing before but, barring a miracle in the last 3 episodes, I think they’ve just snatched mediocrity from the jaws of greatness.
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Post by zerps on May 1, 2019 4:31:51 GMT
Absolutely epic battle and the music backed last 15mins or so was fantastic. I felt like i'd been through some sort of traumatic event at the end of it so it was obviously directed well. However I did feel the Night King being so easily killed was a bit of an anti-climax. A huge build up over the various seasons - 'winter is coming' etc etc and then the bloke gets killed at the first proper battle he faces and that's the end of it all. I was at least expecting Bran/3 eyed raven to intervene decisively in some way rather than flying with some birds for a bit. Thats another problem though. Because it’s definitely the final series, you know they’ve hardly got any time left. The battle scenes were terrible. www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/game-of-thrones-long-night-season-8-picture-quality-issues/
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 6:47:21 GMT
Could you imagine how totally fucking shit the program would be with you lot running it? Honestly, that last episode felt like it was written by a straw poll off Twitter. I actually loved the Lyanna Mormont speeches throughout the series but the way she died was just pure cheese on toast and looked like it had been dreamt up by an 18 stone feminist. Little Lyanna charges a giant wight, which then conveniently forgets it’s a zombie programmed to kill without thought, so that it can pick her up and allow her to stab it in the face. Little Lyanna, unflinching in the face of certain death. Meanwhile the hound is cowering in a corner somewhere. Ye fucking right. GOT has basically injected progressive politics over the last X seasons, a terrible shame. Are trying to add reality to a fucking series with 3 flying dragons? Jfc I'm with the majority and thought it was great...not superb like the red wedding,but great
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Post by mrred on May 4, 2019 0:42:53 GMT
Just watched it. Thought had a smattering of good, tense scenes but thought it was fucking dreadful for the most part. If that was the conclusion to 8 seasons of something that amounted to little more than fucking zombies, I wish they'd have killed the story off after 4 seasons. What a lame, pointless arc they've led. The meat and bones in GoT was always the dialogue and political intrigue so I'm glad we can get back to that instead of completely pointless zombies
Bummed out about it but it did have some good moments. The tension during the first 5 minutes, the visuals of the Dothraki charging across the field, really good stuff. Other than that, the insistence on showing us that the visibility was really poor didn't make it any more interesting. Add to that the low refresh rate on TV's, found it really difficult to follow at times. Was sure Brienne died at least twice.
This goes into it a bit more in depth
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on May 4, 2019 1:04:43 GMT
Honestly, that last episode felt like it was written by a straw poll off Twitter. I actually loved the Lyanna Mormont speeches throughout the series but the way she died was just pure cheese on toast and looked like it had been dreamt up by an 18 stone feminist. Little Lyanna charges a giant wight, which then conveniently forgets it’s a zombie programmed to kill without thought, so that it can pick her up and allow her to stab it in the face. Little Lyanna, unflinching in the face of certain death. Meanwhile the hound is cowering in a corner somewhere. Ye fucking right. GOT has basically injected progressive politics over the last X seasons, a terrible shame. Are trying to add reality to a fucking series with 3 flying dragons? Jfc I'm with the majority and thought it was great...not superb like the red wedding,but great This argument does my fucking head in. The GOT universe has established rules. Just because it has odd bits of magic and dragons doesn't mean ALL reality goes out of the window. If you want to show a shadow demon birthed? Fine, it's explained. Dragons? Fine, it's explained. How that fat cunt Sam Tarly survives being swarmed by wights, how Jon Snow can fall 40 feet off a dragon and jump up without an "ouch", how Arya can materialise out of nowhere, NOT fine. Not explained. Just shit writing aiming for convenience.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on May 4, 2019 1:10:34 GMT
Bran said why they were specifically after him in the last episode. Because they want to wipe out the existence and history of man and Bran has access to everything in the past. I thought tactically the battle was a disgrace, the living deserved to lose. Cavalry as the front line, chucking itself away early, the 2nd line of the onagers (that they couldn’t really use because of the stupid cavalry charge and then how exposed that made them). Lines of men in front of a trench with a narrow retreat point... it was a fucking shambles. I’d have had that battle wrapped up before the Night King got there - front line of the unsullied spearmen pinning them in place, cavalry charging in from the side, onagers and archers well behind the line peppering the rear and the dragon air support. Job done. There were some great parts in the episode, some daft parts and some glaring omissions. They said they took inspiration from the battles in Lord of the Rings but they missed out the main parts from them, which made the ending feel cheap, and that’s ‘the event that swings the battle’... like Gandalf coming at dawn with an army and some trees at Helms Deep or Aragorn turning up late with that ghost army in Return of the King. There was nothing like that in the GoT battle, just some little story arc about Arya forgetting she was a badass for a bit and then remembering. I think the Night King story deserved something bigger. Feel a bit deflated that that part of the story is all over now. 7 series of build-up and mystery and Arya just ends it with a dagger. The daft parts were characters like fat Sam not dying. There’s absolutely no way that him and loads of the others would have survived that for so long. They should have killed off shit loads more main characters or come up with a better reason for them to survive other than they just managed to fight off thousands of crazed zombies for hours whilst overrun and surrounded. Great episode other than that. Agree with pretty much all of that. Would’ve liked to have seen blue eyed darth maul actually have a decent scrap. No explanation as to why He was fireproof either. The whole raising the dead thing just made it silly. The crypt bit was actually pretty cool- they could’ve made a lot more of it though. I hated that crypt bit. The "fresh" wight that The Hound carried down to KL last season couldn't punch out of a wooden crate, how did decades-old bone-dust manage to twat its way out of a wooden coffin, and then a stone fucking tomb? And even if I ignore that, it should have been fucking carnage. When Jon and Jeor Mormont first encountered a wight, it nearly killed them both, and they're both experienced fighters. The lot in the crypt are self-proclaimed wank fighters- a point they even reiterated in the same episode. One wight would have shredded them, never mind the several that burst out.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 1:32:28 GMT
Agree with pretty much all of that. Would’ve liked to have seen blue eyed darth maul actually have a decent scrap. No explanation as to why He was fireproof either. The whole raising the dead thing just made it silly. The crypt bit was actually pretty cool- they could’ve made a lot more of it though. I hated that crypt bit. The "fresh" wight that The Hound carried down to KL last season couldn't punch out of a wooden crate, how did decades-old bone-dust manage to twat its way out of a wooden coffin, and then a stone fucking tomb? And even if I ignore that, it should have been fucking carnage. When Jon and Jeor Mormont first encountered a wight, it nearly killed them both, and they're both experienced fighters. The lot in the crypt are self-proclaimed wank fighters- a point they even reiterated in the same episode. One wight would have shredded them, never mind the several that burst out. I made this very point. And I was moaned at, everyone told me to suspend disbelief and there’s no science to it. Which is kind of ok but it needs a degree of consistency to even function. Which it stopped doing for me... The crypt could’ve been really ace I’m thinking like proper horror, but instead you’ve got half a carcass usain bolting its way towards some people and a recently deceased individual lumbering. Well, which is it??
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on May 4, 2019 1:44:16 GMT
I hated that crypt bit. The "fresh" wight that The Hound carried down to KL last season couldn't punch out of a wooden crate, how did decades-old bone-dust manage to twat its way out of a wooden coffin, and then a stone fucking tomb? And even if I ignore that, it should have been fucking carnage. When Jon and Jeor Mormont first encountered a wight, it nearly killed them both, and they're both experienced fighters. The lot in the crypt are self-proclaimed wank fighters- a point they even reiterated in the same episode. One wight would have shredded them, never mind the several that burst out. I made this very point. And I was moaned at, everyone told me to suspend disbelief and there’s no science to it. Which is kind of ok but it needs a degree of consistency to even function. Which it stopped doing for me... The crypt could’ve been really ace I’m thinking like proper horror, but instead you’ve got half a carcass usain bolting its way towards some people and a recently deceased individual lumbering. Well, which is it?? It would have made Sansa and Tyrion's scene perfect if they'd topped themselves. Beautifully GOT and it would have made sense, especially if it turned out to be unnecessary with Arya or whoever bursting in half a second later, like Romeo's and Juliet's ridiculous suicides. I'd prefer my "Night's King blagging them while he fucked off to the Citadel / KL" scenario but the number of (Star Trek ref) "red shirts" who died vs named characters was wank. Sam, Brienne, Tormund, Hound, Gendry, plus the crypt lot should have gone. GOT started by subverting the "fairy tale" trope by having actual consequences to actions and making us think that life is chaotic and unpredictable, and has ended up saving everyone we like. It's not the series we all fell in love with.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 1:56:37 GMT
I made this very point. And I was moaned at, everyone told me to suspend disbelief and there’s no science to it. Which is kind of ok but it needs a degree of consistency to even function. Which it stopped doing for me... The crypt could’ve been really ace I’m thinking like proper horror, but instead you’ve got half a carcass usain bolting its way towards some people and a recently deceased individual lumbering. Well, which is it?? It would have made Sansa and Tyrion's scene perfect if they'd topped themselves. Beautifully GOT and it would have made sense, especially if it turned out to be unnecessary with Arya or whoever bursting in half a second later, like Romeo's and Juliet's ridiculous suicides. I'd prefer my "Night's King blagging them while he fucked off to the Citadel / KL" scenario but the number of (Star Trek ref) "red shirts" who died vs named characters was wank. Sam, Brienne, Tormund, Hound, Gendry, plus the crypt lot should have gone. GOT started by subverting the "fairy tale" trope by having actual consequences to actions and making us think that life is chaotic and unpredictable, and has ended up saving everyone we like. It's not the series we all fell in love with. I'm just sneeped we never got to see sansa get her butthole out. Agree to the deathlist 100% what did the writer say? 'we're going to kill off all your favourites' It's only Reek the sneak that's got done really and everyone fucking hated him anyway. If we're talking numbers, I feel like the winterfell we see can house about 300 people tops. But seeing the amount that died there must be like 17 left of them. It stretched reality anyway, which was fine but now it's just beyond silly...
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on May 4, 2019 2:14:58 GMT
It would have made Sansa and Tyrion's scene perfect if they'd topped themselves. Beautifully GOT and it would have made sense, especially if it turned out to be unnecessary with Arya or whoever bursting in half a second later, like Romeo's and Juliet's ridiculous suicides. I'd prefer my "Night's King blagging them while he fucked off to the Citadel / KL" scenario but the number of (Star Trek ref) "red shirts" who died vs named characters was wank. Sam, Brienne, Tormund, Hound, Gendry, plus the crypt lot should have gone. GOT started by subverting the "fairy tale" trope by having actual consequences to actions and making us think that life is chaotic and unpredictable, and has ended up saving everyone we like. It's not the series we all fell in love with. I'm just sneeped we never got to see sansa get her butthole out. Agree to the deathlist 100% what did the writer say? 'we're going to kill off all your favourites' It's only Reek the sneak that's got done really and everyone fucking hated him anyway. If we're talking numbers, I feel like the winterfell we see can house about 300 people tops. But seeing the amount that died there must be like 17 left of them. It stretched reality anyway, which was fine but now it's just beyond silly... Valar Morghulis, valar dohaeris... Grey Worm should have pulled that bridge down from the other side. He is Unsullied, he will die. Not fucking get with that bird he fancies.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 7:46:59 GMT
Are trying to add reality to a fucking series with 3 flying dragons? Jfc I'm with the majority and thought it was great...not superb like the red wedding,but great This argument does my fucking head in. The GOT universe has established rules. Just because it has odd bits of magic and dragons doesn't mean ALL reality goes out of the window. If you want to show a shadow demon birthed? Fine, it's explained. Dragons? Fine, it's explained. How that fat cunt Sam Tarly survives being swarmed by wights, how Jon Snow can fall 40 feet off a dragon and jump up without an "ouch", how Arya can materialise out of nowhere, NOT fine. Not explained. Just shit writing aiming for convenience. I can only disagree with you. At the end of the day /series, I’ll probably be very satisfied with the show, while you and a small group of people will be tormented for all eternity 🤣🤣
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