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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 13, 2019 21:10:54 GMT
Are we missing Ince, is it just a coincidence that we’ve been under pressure since he’s been out?
I’ve thought he’s been very poor and was very critical of him but he did seem to be able to hold up the ball well and run at defenders.
Unless we’re lumping it we look look completely toothless at the moment
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 13, 2019 21:17:53 GMT
Yes, I think so, as you say he holds the ball up and takes the pressure off at times, he's our best attacking threat and our most infuriating.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Apr 13, 2019 21:19:10 GMT
No.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 13, 2019 21:22:11 GMT
Yes, I think so, as you say he holds the ball up and takes the pressure off at times, he's our best attacking threat and our most infuriating. Yep, he drives me crazy at times and I don’t think he works hard enough for the team. Probably better off if he goes in the summer. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 13, 2019 21:24:28 GMT
Well he's the most creative player in the team, which in itself is the problem.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 13, 2019 21:26:44 GMT
Yeah. A 25 year old Paul Ince is exactly what we are missing. Someone who actually plays like he possesses a heart in his chest. You really wouldn't believe they are related.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 13, 2019 21:27:16 GMT
Are we missing Ince, is it just a coincidence that we’ve been under pressure since he’s been out? I’ve thought he’s been very poor and was very critical of him but he did seem to be able to hold up the ball well and run at defenders. Unless we’re lumping it we look look completely toothless at the moment Yeah. A 25 year old Paul Ince is exactly what we are missing. Someone who actually plays like he possesses a heart in his chest. You really wouldn't believe they are related. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 13, 2019 21:30:20 GMT
Yes, I think so, as you say he holds the ball up and takes the pressure off at times, he's our best attacking threat and our most infuriating. Yep, he drives me crazy at times and I don’t think he works hard enough for the team. Probably better off if he goes in the summer. Yeh, I can see why he doesn't last long at clubs tbh even with his goal scoring record, when he has a bad day he may as well not bother being on the pitch, but saying that if he had work rate he'd easily be a regular in the Prem and nowhere near us. |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Apr 13, 2019 21:37:18 GMT
No he brings nothing to the team he is a lightweight & goes missing for large parts of games.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 13, 2019 21:57:53 GMT
No. Anyone who doesn't play instantly becomes a better player than he is.
Ince is toss. Less toss than McLean and clucas but toss all the same
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Post by misii30 on Apr 13, 2019 22:05:23 GMT
Yes in the sense that the player we are playing in his stead is Sam Clucas.
I don't think that it's a coincidence that we start to find some kind of form when he's out of the picture and instantly lose all that when he's shoehorned back in the team; we've played absolutely shit football from the moment Clucas replaced Ince against Blackburn. Even in that game you could right away see the difference.
I can't understand the weird hard-on Jones has for Clucas.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 13, 2019 22:06:46 GMT
No. Anyone who doesn't play instantly becomes a better player than he is. Ince is toss. Less toss than McLean and clucas but toss all the same Yes, I was aware that I might be engaging in far away fields are greener syndrome, however I’m still scratching my head to explain our last 2 performances as I thought we were making reasonable progress up till then and the one constant since is Ince being out |
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Post by misii30 on Apr 13, 2019 22:08:43 GMT
No. Anyone who doesn't play instantly becomes a better player than he is. Ince is toss. Less toss than McLean and clucas but toss all the same Yes, I was aware that I might be engaging in far away fields are greener syndrome, however I’m still scratching my head to explain our last 2 performances as I thought we were making reasonable progress up till then and the one constant since is Ince being out The other constant is Clucas being in. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 13, 2019 22:09:10 GMT
No.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 13, 2019 22:10:17 GMT
No. Anyone who doesn't play instantly becomes a better player than he is. Ince is toss. Less toss than McLean and clucas but toss all the same Yes, I was aware that I might be engaging in far away fields are greener syndrome, however I’m still scratching my head to explain our last 2 performances as I thought we were making reasonable progress up till then and the one constant since is Ince being out Undefeated in 9 with only 2 wins was about as solid a foundation as 1 defeat in 16 for rowett with 3 wins. It was only a matter of time before it came crashing down again, especially once clucas was restored to the 11 alongside McLean. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 13, 2019 22:13:54 GMT
Yes, I was aware that I might be engaging in far away fields are greener syndrome, however I’m still scratching my head to explain our last 2 performances as I thought we were making reasonable progress up till then and the one constant since is Ince being out Undefeated in 9 with only 2 wins was about as solid a foundation as 1 defeat in 16 for rowett with 3 wins. It was only a matter of time before it came crashing down again, especially once clucas was restored to the 11 alongside McLean. Fair enough statistically but I thought we were playing better, more on the front foot and with a little more confidence. |
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Post by misii30 on Apr 13, 2019 22:16:27 GMT
Undefeated in 9 with only 2 wins was about as solid a foundation as 1 defeat in 16 for rowett with 3 wins. It was only a matter of time before it came crashing down again, especially once clucas was restored to the 11 alongside McLean. Fair enough statistically but I thought we were playing better, more on the front foot and with a little more confidence. Definitely, some of the 0-0 were lightyears ahead of today performance-wise although in the end the amount of points gathered stays the same. |
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Post by Bagwash on Apr 13, 2019 22:25:07 GMT
If we are missing Ince then we are in a bigger mess than I thought we were.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 22:46:51 GMT
If we played Verlinden in his place we would already have forgotten that there ever was an inch on our books.
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Post by pembo82 on Apr 13, 2019 22:53:59 GMT
Are we missing Ince, is it just a coincidence that we’ve been under pressure since he’s been out? I’ve thought he’s been very poor and was very critical of him but he did seem to be able to hold up the ball well and run at defenders. Unless we’re lumping it we look look completely toothless at the moment Yeah. A 25 year old Paul Ince is exactly what we are missing. Someone who actually plays like he possesses a heart in his chest. You really wouldn't believe they are related. I think we have that commitment in Allen. All the haters will soon see how much he will be missed next season |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 13, 2019 23:01:16 GMT
Yeah. A 25 year old Paul Ince is exactly what we are missing. Someone who actually plays like he possesses a heart in his chest. You really wouldn't believe they are related. I think we have that commitment in Allen. All the haters will soon see how much he will be missed next season I like Allen. I also like McLean, even if he is limited. One thing you cant take away from McLean is that even though he knows Stoke fans generally don't like him he still sticks a shift in. The psychology of that is quite unique. Its in his DNA to just try his best to do the job he is paid to do. For that I have respect. And that's why I forgive managers for picking him week after week. I'd rather a fighter than some prick who doesn't give a single fuck. |
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Post by BuzzB on Apr 13, 2019 23:16:07 GMT
Yeah. A 25 year old Paul Ince is exactly what we are missing. Someone who actually plays like he possesses a heart in his chest. You really wouldn't believe they are related. I think we have that commitment in Allen. All the haters will soon see how much he will be missed next season I don't think its case of hating Joe mate, he just tries to spread himself doing the job of 3 players instead of a bit of self discipline, causing him to look poor at times. You are right, when he is gone it will show. |
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Post by Bagwash on Apr 13, 2019 23:27:45 GMT
I think we have that commitment in Allen. All the haters will soon see how much he will be missed next season I like Allen. I also like McLean, even if he is limited. One thing you cant take away from McLean is that even though he knows Stoke fans generally don't like him he still sticks a shift in. The psychology of that is quite unique. Its in his DNA to just try his best to do the job he is paid to do. For that I have respect. And that's why I forgive managers for picking him week after week. I'd rather a fighter than some prick who doesn't give a single fuck. I don't just want Maclean to put a shift in,I want him to resemble a footballer when he has the ball.He's offered and delivered absolutely nothing since coming to the club yet our 'up and coming modern' manager picks him every week. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 23:36:27 GMT
He belongs in the same pigeon-hole as Maclean and Clucas for me. So, no.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 13, 2019 23:37:51 GMT
I like Allen. I also like McLean, even if he is limited. One thing you cant take away from McLean is that even though he knows Stoke fans generally don't like him he still sticks a shift in. The psychology of that is quite unique. Its in his DNA to just try his best to do the job he is paid to do. For that I have respect. And that's why I forgive managers for picking him week after week. I'd rather a fighter than some prick who doesn't give a single fuck. I don't just want Maclean to put a shift in,I want him to resemble a footballer when he has the ball.He's offered and delivered absolutely nothing since coming to the club yet our 'up and coming modern' manager picks him every week. Because he is telling every other player I am picking McLean because he meets the first requirement of a footballer i.e. one who is going to try his best week in week out. Sadly what this tells you is there are 10-15 players at stoke who don't even pass this first basic requirement. The problems run far deeper than you obviously dare imagine. Resolution comes from acceptance of the situation at hand. We are in the shit, get used to it and work out what needs to happen to solve the problem. My opinion for what its worth, sack the recruitment team and get a proper team in who know what they are doing. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 13, 2019 23:40:13 GMT
I like Allen. I also like McLean, even if he is limited. One thing you cant take away from McLean is that even though he knows Stoke fans generally don't like him he still sticks a shift in. The psychology of that is quite unique. Its in his DNA to just try his best to do the job he is paid to do. For that I have respect. And that's why I forgive managers for picking him week after week. I'd rather a fighter than some prick who doesn't give a single fuck. I don't just want Maclean to put a shift in,I want him to resemble a footballer when he has the ball.He's offered and delivered absolutely nothing since coming to the club yet our 'up and coming modern' manager picks him every week. And what you are indirectly saying is you would rather have a more talented player playing who doesn't give a fuck about Stoke. I certainly wouldn't. If I am going down I want to go down with fighters who care about me. |
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 13, 2019 23:48:46 GMT
We miss him when he’s on the pitch
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Apr 14, 2019 0:32:40 GMT
Yes. I'd say for all his faults he has been the one who has made and setup goals this season. He could be so much more if he put the extra effort in, that is the frustrating side to Tom.
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Post by Bagwash on Apr 14, 2019 6:30:11 GMT
I don't just want Maclean to put a shift in,I want him to resemble a footballer when he has the ball.He's offered and delivered absolutely nothing since coming to the club yet our 'up and coming modern' manager picks him every week. And what you are indirectly saying is you would rather have a more talented player playing who doesn't give a fuck about Stoke. I certainly wouldn't. If I am going down I want to go down with fighters who care about me. But why can't we have more talented players who do give a fuck about Stoke? Irrespective whether someone is a fighter or not the basic requirement in any division is that they can play football at a decent level.I agree that Maclean runs around a lot but can you honestly say that his performances this season warrant him a place in the starting 11 nearly every week? |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 14, 2019 12:13:46 GMT
And what you are indirectly saying is you would rather have a more talented player playing who doesn't give a fuck about Stoke. I certainly wouldn't. If I am going down I want to go down with fighters who care about me. But why can't we have more talented players who do give a fuck about Stoke? Irrespective whether someone is a fighter or not the basic requirement in any division is that they can play football at a decent level.I agree that Maclean runs around a lot but can you honestly say that his performances this season warrant him a place in the starting 11 nearly every week? It simply highlights how bad the club have let things get. I agree with you, in an ideal world McLean would only be a useful squad player. Managers have created this problem but ultimately it has been overseen by our useless recruitment team. No point any of us slating Lambert, Hughes or Rowett, they are footnotes and they have all paid the price (albeit with a few quid in their pockets). Scholes and carto on the other hand still have their snouts in the trough. |
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