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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 13, 2019 18:27:14 GMT
This squad is garbage. What did people expect? He didn't put these players together.
He has been been brought in to do a complete overhaul in the summer. We will learn nothing useful before Christmas.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 18:30:46 GMT
Every one them deserved to be booed off today bar Jack.... I think Etebo also retains a bit of credibility Etebo and Allen never hid, they always made themselves available for the ball. The rest were hiding 2nd half..... |
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Post by rorystowel on Apr 13, 2019 18:35:19 GMT
That’s the same way I saw it. Our capitulation had nothing to do with Bojan coming off, and everything to do with the decision to bring Afobe on. Simply put, NJ got the change wrong. Fair enough he replaced Bojan who was one of several mediocre performers, when Rotherham were in control. But he needed to bring on Adam to play in front of the back 4 because the midfield was not keeping possession, and we had no outlet. I agreed until you said Adam  , the state of him when he came on, for me Verlinden down the middle would have been worth a go, keep the shape that has done us well in a couple of previous games recently and adding some much needed pace in and around Vokes. I would have started with Verlinden instead of McClean, so we agree there! Adam looks like he’s been on the donner kebabs again, but even in that condition he has a better footballing brain and more ability to influence a game than just about anyone else in the current squad. |
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Post by rorystowel on Apr 13, 2019 18:37:16 GMT
I think Etebo also retains a bit of credibility Etebo and Allen never his, they always made themselves available for the ball. The rest were hiding 2nd half..... I thought both were disappointing tbh. Our midfield completely bottled it, especially second half. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 13, 2019 18:46:12 GMT
I’m happy to give him a full season next season I do wonder whether stoke as a club are a different kettle of fish to what he’s used to Time will tell Yeah we are a different kettle of fish alright. We have Carto and Scholes running the show. Wonder why we can't get better managers? Well that's your reason right there. If this club wants to make meaningful progress they need replacing with the proper talent that the Coates can afford. Leek forking town I mean come on  |
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Post by mrred on Apr 13, 2019 18:50:48 GMT
Really was quite an eye opener that interview. Any players or managers taking pop shots at fans after the 3 years of absolutely mind numbing shit we've had to endure is where I draw the line. Though he didn't quite go there as brazenly as Rowett did, it was as close to the line.
Up your fucking game Stoke. Today was a fucking disgrace.
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Post by numpty40 on Apr 13, 2019 18:59:11 GMT
What I can't understand is why we are playing the formations that we are.
Jones has said on many occasions that he has a footballing philosophy of a diamond formation.
Why the fuck aren't we playing this system?
It's all very well saying we don't have the players for that system but we really don't have the players for any system.
He should be working on the training ground every session on a diamond formation and every level at the club should be doing the same.
He should know by now which players can do a role in his preferred system and those that can't shouldn't be in the squad.
I like Jones but these last two games have raised a few concerns.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 19:03:01 GMT
Etebo and Allen never his, they always made themselves available for the ball. The rest were hiding 2nd half..... I thought both were disappointing tbh. Our midfield completely bottled it, especially second half. I thought they played poorly, but neither of them hid that was my point.... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 19:05:15 GMT
I’m happy to give him a full season next season I do wonder whether stoke as a club are a different kettle of fish to what he’s used to Time will tell Yeah we are a different kettle of fish alright. We have Carto and Scholes running the show. Wonder why we can't get better managers? Well that's your reason right there. If this club wants to make meaningful progress they need replacing with the proper talent that the Coates can afford. Leek forking town I mean come on I kind of agree, but we have to support what we have as anything else just adds to the problem |
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Post by flea79 on Apr 13, 2019 19:12:36 GMT
I didn’t boo jones, I have faith in him I know for an absolute fact the board have faith in him and are prepared to let him make the changes needed
The players who served up yet another shower of the brown proverbial today did get a boo from me!
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Post by Gob Bluth on Apr 13, 2019 19:15:03 GMT
Etebo and Allen never his, they always made themselves available for the ball. The rest were hiding 2nd half..... I thought both were disappointing tbh. Our midfield completely bottled it, especially second half. Thought Joe Allen was good today, I would hazard a guess that his packing score was quite high today. He made some good offensive passes taking out opposition player, Etebo has done this well recently but he’s only young and we must expect inconsistent performances. Joe Allen is a credit to himself, how his determination has not dropped over the past few years is quite frankly amazing. |
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Post by followyoudown on Apr 13, 2019 20:05:18 GMT
Honestly people need to wind their necks in the year we got promoted was pretty much a record low for points of 79 in the last 15 years or so, without Fuller we would not have been promoted or stayed up. Teams with 90+ points regularly struggle to stay up at all nevermind the length of time we did.
We lucked out getting promoted and somehow we all seem convinced its our divine right to be back in the premier league, its going to be a big job to get back up and time will tell if Nathan is upto the job but all this wanting to change managers every few months is getting to be a joke. I personally think if he is allowed to assemble his own team he will make us enjoyable to watch and competitive.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 13, 2019 20:12:17 GMT
Etebo and Allen never his, they always made themselves available for the ball. The rest were hiding 2nd half..... I thought both were disappointing tbh. Our midfield completely bottled it, especially second half. Not for the first time this season either. I find it incredible that our midfield dont come in for more criticism on here. If they are so good, how come we struggle to retain possession and to create chances nearly every game??? |
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Post by Veritas on Apr 13, 2019 20:16:21 GMT
Agree, but that's just one, cant think of any others who deserve a place. Tymon should be playing not Indi Collins should be in front of Shawcross Your tag says it all, Tymon is a million miles off being ready and Collins is probably at least 2 years. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 20:26:28 GMT
Tymon should be playing not Indi Collins should be in front of Shawcross Your tag says it all, Tymon is a million miles off being ready and Collins is probably at least 2 years. Right. We will stay as we are then. Indi at left back has been a revelation and our centre backs were awesome today |
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Post by Veritas on Apr 13, 2019 20:28:56 GMT
Your tag says it all, Tymon is a million miles off being ready and Collins is probably at least 2 years. Right. We will stay as we are then. Indi at left back has been a revelation and our centre backs were awesome today In the absence of alternatives throwing long term prospects under the bus is not the answer. |
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 13, 2019 20:28:59 GMT
Honestly people need to wind their necks in the year we got promoted was pretty much a record low for points of 79 in the last 15 years or so, without Fuller we would not have been promoted or stayed up. Teams with 90+ points regularly struggle to stay up at all nevermind the length of time we did. We lucked out getting promoted and somehow we all seem convinced its our divine right to be back in the premier league, its going to be a big job to get back up and time will tell if Nathan is upto the job but all this wanting to change managers every few months is getting to be a joke. I personally think if he is allowed to assemble his own team he will make us enjoyable to watch and competitive. The owners stated they wanted an immediate push for a return back to the Prem. Coates even set benchmarks. We spent a significant amount of money last summer and this winter. I think the fans are quite entitled to ask questions and be impatient. Ince, Afobe, Woods and Clucas were all lauded and applauded on this Message board not so long ago and cited as exactly the type of players we needed. With a bedrock of internationals like Bruno, Shawcross, Allen, Etebo and Butland it all seemed so promising. Very disappointing is an understatement. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 13, 2019 20:29:07 GMT
Jones is now sounding like a man out of his depth on Rado Stoke Bringing up ‘fans favourite’ Bojan He is the new Rowett His interview today was very very worrying. The Bojan comment. The insistence that it was a game of 2 halves and that the officials mobbed us. Scarily off the mark and ignoring the truth. Also talked about his double substitute to bring us impetus. It was the 86th minute for fucks sake! Game of 2 halves: we were outplayed and shite in both. Fan's favourite Bojan: at least he didn't mention Rory. After that interview he has lost an awful lot of good faith as far as I'm concerned. Shite selection and very confused tactics:he is walking on very, very thin ice. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 20:34:38 GMT
Right. We will stay as we are then. Indi at left back has been a revelation and our centre backs were awesome today In the absence of alternatives throwing long term prospects under the bus is not the answer. How are we throwing them under the bus. We are wank....they can only be an improvement |
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Post by Veritas on Apr 13, 2019 20:37:38 GMT
In the absence of alternatives throwing long term prospects under the bus is not the answer. How are we throwing them under the bus. We are wank....they can only be an improvement They are not ready, work with them in the summer and if ready start next season. Whether we finish 12 or 16 is of no importance. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 20:52:14 GMT
How are we throwing them under the bus. We are wank....they can only be an improvement They are not ready, work with them in the summer and if ready start next season. Whether we finish 12 or 16 is of no importance. So now is the time to blood them in competitive nothing to lose games. Not some summer training camp |
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Post by kjpt140v on Apr 13, 2019 20:52:15 GMT
Honeymoon definitely over for him. There's a massive job to do this summer. Is Jones the right man? I like him but there's the inescapable fact that we're getting less points per game than we did under Rowett. And scoring less goals and playing worse football too. You're wrong about the football. We haven't got the players to capitalise on the way we play. |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 13, 2019 21:15:35 GMT
Honeymoon definitely over for him. There's a massive job to do this summer. Is Jones the right man? I like him but there's the inescapable fact that we're getting less points per game than we did under Rowett. And scoring less goals and playing worse football too. You're wrong about the football. We haven't got the players to capitalise on the way we play. We have we have wank players who complement the wank way we play perfectly, evidenced perfectly by Clucas, Mc Clean, Afobe, Vokes etc, it also appears we have a manager who despite his claims clearly can not see what the fans can. |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Apr 13, 2019 21:16:17 GMT
Honeymoon definitely over for him. There's a massive job to do this summer. Is Jones the right man? I like him but there's the inescapable fact that we're getting less points per game than we did under Rowett. And scoring less goals and playing worse football too. You're wrong about the football. We haven't got the players to capitalise on the way we play. Part of the skills of a good manager is to get the best out of the players you have and the skills they have. I completely agree that we have a woefully unbalanced squad which is the legacy of 3 or 4 years of dreadful recruitment, Guardiola couldn't get this shower of shit promoted. But I would say I enjoyed more games under Rowett than I have under Jones, and we were mostly terrible under Rowett too. And we definitely scored more goals and got more points. With the big exception of the Leeds game we have been absolutely turgid under Jones and I feel like he's getting less out of the players than Rowett did. And Rowett deserved the sack. The big difference between the two though is Rowett failed with his own players and had a summer to recruit and failed miserably. Jones deserves the chance to have his own summer and to see what he can do. However as a like for like comparison of which manager managed to get more from this squad of players, currently Rowett is ahead and the football was slightly less shit under him in my opinion. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 13, 2019 23:14:16 GMT
Oh and while we're at it, some of the hysterics and name calling that he got from behind the dugouts today was entirely unnecessary.
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Post by neddy on Apr 14, 2019 7:09:28 GMT
Oh and while we're at it, some of the hysterics and name calling that he got from behind the dugouts today was entirely unnecessary. I hate this but just out of interest what are people shouting and aimed at who? I wish people would stop that it really can’t help despite how poor we were? |
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Post by neddy on Apr 14, 2019 7:10:46 GMT
Boo at the end FFS if you must?
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Post by Goonie on Apr 14, 2019 7:36:42 GMT
If Jones hasn't made an impact by next Xmas, with 2 windows behind him, then he's doomed
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Post by Gods on Apr 14, 2019 7:41:10 GMT
I like Jones but the only thing that annoys me with him is how it's always an honour to play any team. It's like small time thinking. It's as if we have to respect the quality of any bugger we play. It a real quandary isn't it ? You can see how it's come about. We think we're roughing it in the Championship after 10 years in the Premier League and conversely he thinks that at last he's in the big time. It can grate a bit though I agree. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 14, 2019 7:44:10 GMT
Oh and while we're at it, some of the hysterics and name calling that he got from behind the dugouts today was entirely unnecessary. Name calling a manager of three months trying to fix four years of ineptitude it makes you laugh doesn’t it as you’d cry if not , Those so called supporters have the team they deserve . |
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, the state of him when he came on, for me Verlinden down the middle would have been worth a go, keep the shape that has done us well in a couple of previous games recently and adding some much needed pace in and around Vokes.
