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Post by bloodtypered on Apr 13, 2019 16:49:33 GMT
No he didnt....the players did
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Post by toppercorner on Apr 13, 2019 16:51:12 GMT
it was working until he took him off ..... (not a go at you btw) In what universe did it “work”? Bojan contributed very little like the rest of them. we were winning when Bojan came off. it's no coincidence, that every single time Bojan goes off, we concede/capitulate shortly after. It's not what Bojan has to do, his presence on the pitch means opposition often double up on him, thereby leaving gaps for team mates to get into. I watch Bojan playing great balls to the wings and through the middle in the first half, when we looked better than the second.
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Post by rorystowel on Apr 13, 2019 16:53:36 GMT
Jones is now sounding like a man out of his depth on Rado Stoke Bringing up ‘fans favourite’ Bojan He is the new Rowett Was the first "fans favourite" phrase even used before Rowett came in? It's patronising and gets the fans' backs up straight away imo. The reality is we lost control when he came off the pitch even if he was pretty average today. Sorry but it’s complete fantasy that taking Bojan off lost us this game. We were losing control second half when Boj was on the pitch, and he barely touched the ball since the break. What lost us the game was bringing on Afobe instead of Adam, Rotherham tearing Martins Indi apart second half, their sub who ripped our defence apart, McClean being kept on instead of bringing on Verlinden, and the fact that our subs were brought on far too late.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 16:57:38 GMT
6 actually in all matches Which other five league games has he played?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 16:58:36 GMT
Verlinden, Collins even Tyron. Williams is going back to Everton so what’s the point in playing him. I think if he’d gone with some youth and a bit of flair then the fans would be less restless even if we’d lost. There’s players who are playing week in week out not performing and continue to be selected. We were terrible today. How many times have you actually seen those play? Tymon has been shit every time hes played, Verlinden yes, but no idea about Collins, only seen him at Swansea. Tymon has played a handful of games and has not been shit every time
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Apr 13, 2019 17:00:25 GMT
6 actually in all matches Which other five league games has he played? Played for us 4 checkatrade 1 fa cup and 1 league. Forest away he was abysmal
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Post by silsdenstokie on Apr 13, 2019 17:01:46 GMT
I'm all for giving the fella time but all this 'it's not his team' stuff is starting to wear a little thin. Steve Bruce and John Askey have managed to turn stuff round with 'not their team' and in Bruce's case with a squad on paper considerably worse than ours.
Don't care how unbalanced our squad is, Jones should be getting a better tune out of them than this. Failing to beat Rotherham at home and losing a 2 goal lead is shocking, absolutely shocking
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Post by juiceandbits on Apr 13, 2019 17:03:07 GMT
Was the first "fans favourite" phrase even used before Rowett came in? It's patronising and gets the fans' backs up straight away imo. The reality is we lost control when he came off the pitch even if he was pretty average today. Sorry but it’s complete fantasy that taking Bojan off lost us this game. We were losing control second half when Boj was on the pitch, and he barely touched the ball since the break. What lost us the game was bringing on Afobe instead of Adam, Rotherham tearing Martins Indi apart second half, their sub who ripped our defence apart, McClean being kept on instead of bringing on Verlinden, and the fact that our subs were brought on far too late. It was a combination of all these factors. To say it's "fantasy" is a massive overstatement. Charlie and Verlinden should have come on much sooner.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 13, 2019 17:08:02 GMT
Easy to understand after another shit performance. For how many games have we really looked good under Jones? Leeds, Nottingham and Sheffield W.?
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Post by salopian on Apr 13, 2019 17:11:58 GMT
In what universe did it “work”? Bojan contributed very little like the rest of them. we were winning when Bojan came off. it's no coincidence, that every single time Bojan goes off, we concede/capitulate shortly after. It's not what Bojan has to do, his presence on the pitch means opposition often double up on him, thereby leaving gaps for team mates to get into. I watch Bojan playing great balls to the wings and through the middle in the first half, when we looked better than the second. Very fair comment. It's not always what he does it can be case of what he means the opposition have to be aware of and deal with. Once he's gone off often means that any threat or creativity has just wondered down the tunnel and certainly not coming down the wings and most definitely not the left one!
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 13, 2019 17:23:19 GMT
It shouldn't happen, but we have had nothing to play for since Christmas, players going through the motions. I'm sure we'll improve next season. He's also been left with so much deadwood it's unbelievable. If players are going through the motions, they should be out of the door along with the person who supposed to be managing them. You dont come into a job like this and accept performances that going through the motions. If you do you shouldn't be in the job.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Apr 13, 2019 17:24:33 GMT
I'm all for giving the fella time but all this 'it's not his team' stuff is starting to wear a little thin. Steve Bruce and John Askey have managed to turn stuff round with 'not their team' and in Bruce's case with a squad on paper considerably worse than ours. Don't care how unbalanced our squad is, Jones should be getting a better tune out of them than this. Failing to beat Rotherham at home and losing a 2 goal lead is shocking, absolutely shocking Good post.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 17:25:02 GMT
Which other five league games has he played? Played for us 4 checkatrade 1 fa cup and 1 league. Forest away he was abysmal The checkatrade games are virtual youth games, with Adam added on some games. I don't think he did badly in the first 3, and it's not his fault no one cared about he facup. I agree about the Forest game, bus as I said earlier, it was less than half a chance - which Jones seems to specialise in.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 13, 2019 17:31:53 GMT
In what universe did it “work”? Bojan contributed very little like the rest of them. we were winning when Bojan came off. it's no coincidence, that every single time Bojan goes off, we concede/capitulate shortly after. It's not what Bojan has to do, his presence on the pitch means opposition often double up on him, thereby leaving gaps for team mates to get into. I watch Bojan playing great balls to the wings and through the middle in the first half, when we looked better than the second. Not today you didn't the only thing he did well all game was the run to start the move for the second goal he did absolutely nothing else. I'm puzzled that so many are overlooking the set up changing being the problem rather than an invisible player going off.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 13, 2019 17:36:48 GMT
Our own fans are visibly rattling our players and manager by booing a draw, however shit it was. Great support lads. 3 wins in 21- what do you expect, trumpets?
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Post by salopian on Apr 13, 2019 17:43:11 GMT
It shouldn't happen, but we have had nothing to play for since Christmas, players going through the motions. I'm sure we'll improve next season. He's also been left with so much deadwood it's unbelievable. If players are going through the motions, they should be out of the door along with the person who supposed to be managing them. You dont come into a job like this and accept performances that going through the motions. If you do you shouldn't be in the job. Totally agree. And 3 top 9 finishes or not Hughes was given at least 12 - 18 months of to much rope of allowing players, staff going through the motion!! You could argue the board majorly took their eye off ball regards what was going on and were going through the motions in running a success club .. certainly at Premiership level!
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Post by bhp on Apr 13, 2019 17:54:56 GMT
Tymon should be playing not Indi Collins should be in front of Shawcross Tymon is shit, will never be good enough. Collins ive not seen enough of, but sounds good for the future. That's it then, 19 year old not good enough, may aswell release him now! Perhaps hang up his boots if he'll never be good enough!!
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Apr 13, 2019 18:01:43 GMT
Tymon is shit, will never be good enough. Collins ive not seen enough of, but sounds good for the future. That's it then, 19 year old not good enough, may aswell release him now! Perhaps hang up his boots if he'll never be good enough!! Might be ok for Crewe or Vale.
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Post by Veritas on Apr 13, 2019 18:05:49 GMT
He needs sacking. Totally out of his depth. Get back in your box and put your fishing rod away
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 18:06:07 GMT
Our own fans are visibly rattling our players and manager by booing a draw, however shit it was. Great support lads. 3 wins in 21- what do you expect, trumpets? obviously not. We all seemed to accept how big a job Jones had though, and how much time and change is needed to put this right. Then two losses in a week and we're booing him. Pathetic.
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Post by cdlstoke on Apr 13, 2019 18:11:21 GMT
Fucking clueless. Making Rowett look good. Keep the excuses coming.😂😂😂
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Post by rorystowel on Apr 13, 2019 18:17:59 GMT
we were winning when Bojan came off. it's no coincidence, that every single time Bojan goes off, we concede/capitulate shortly after. It's not what Bojan has to do, his presence on the pitch means opposition often double up on him, thereby leaving gaps for team mates to get into. I watch Bojan playing great balls to the wings and through the middle in the first half, when we looked better than the second. Not today you didn't the only thing he did well all game was the run to start the move for the second goal he did absolutely nothing else. I'm puzzled that so many are overlooking the set up changing being the problem rather than an invisible player going off. That’s the same way I saw it. Our capitulation had nothing to do with Bojan coming off, and everything to do with the decision to bring Afobe on. Simply put, NJ got the change wrong. Fair enough he replaced Bojan who was one of several mediocre performers, when Rotherham were in control. But he needed to bring on Adam to play in front of the back 4 because the midfield was not keeping possession, and we had no outlet.
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Post by dioufsboots on Apr 13, 2019 18:19:34 GMT
To much deadwood in the squad to keep blaming every manager we have, until everybody bar maybe 4 or 5 players have gone and been replaced this is what we are going be now consistently rubbish
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 13, 2019 18:19:39 GMT
Every one them deserved to be booed off today bar Jack.... I think Etebo also retains a bit of credibility
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 13, 2019 18:21:03 GMT
Not today you didn't the only thing he did well all game was the run to start the move for the second goal he did absolutely nothing else. I'm puzzled that so many are overlooking the set up changing being the problem rather than an invisible player going off. That’s the same way I saw it. Our capitulation had nothing to do with Bojan coming off, and everything to do with the decision to bring Afobe on. Simply put, NJ got the change wrong. Fair enough he replaced Bojan who was one of several mediocre performers, when Rotherham were in control. But he needed to bring on Adam to play in front of the back 4 because the midfield was not keeping possession, and we had no outlet. I agreed until you said Adam , the state of him when he came on, for me Verlinden down the middle would have been worth a go, keep the shape that has done us well in a couple of previous games recently and adding some much needed pace in and around Vokes.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Apr 13, 2019 18:21:44 GMT
Theres a popular assumption amongst stoke fans that Jones will be the second coming once hes got his own team in place but I'm far from convinced. The decision to let Pieters go out on loan without adequate back up was his first bollock, and from then on we've seen dubious team selections, baffling subs, Verlinden hasn't started since a MOTM performance. The jury is very much out and patience is wearing thin, I personally think hes massively out of his depth, hopefully he'll prove me wrong.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 13, 2019 18:21:44 GMT
He's not taking us anywhere good that's obvious.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 13, 2019 18:24:05 GMT
If I was in charge, I’d bring in Big Sam - have Jones as his number 2. Get it working and then pass the baton in 2/3 years. It won’t happen, it would need us to break the bank. Lambert, Rowett, Jones hardly look like expensive ideas... (I know this is all total fantasy, never going to happen, but it’d be the solution) And which world do you live in? However much money we offered there is no way Big Sam would come here never mind without his own backroom staff. Our best option is to stick with Jones and let him bring in players he really wants not options offered by the recruitment team and get rid of all the players he doesn't want even if it means taking a big loss.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Apr 13, 2019 18:25:04 GMT
Jones is now sounding like a man out of his depth on Rado Stoke Bringing up ‘fans favourite’ Bojan He is the new Rowett His interview today was very very worrying. The Bojan comment. The insistence that it was a game of 2 halves and that the officials mobbed us. Scarily off the mark and ignoring the truth. Also talked about his double substitute to bring us impetus. It was the 86th minute for fucks sake!
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Post by nott1 on Apr 13, 2019 18:25:31 GMT
Not today you didn't the only thing he did well all game was the run to start the move for the second goal he did absolutely nothing else. I'm puzzled that so many are overlooking the set up changing being the problem rather than an invisible player going off. That’s the same way I saw it. Our capitulation had nothing to do with Bojan coming off, and everything to do with the decision to bring Afobe on. Simply put, NJ got the change wrong. Fair enough he replaced Bojan who was one of several mediocre performers, when Rotherham were in control. But he needed to bring on Adam to play in front of the back 4 because the midfield was not keeping possession, and we had no outlet. Afobe brings nothing whatsover to the table, his control is poor, he can't jump so wins few headers and he certainly isn't a goalscorer of any note. Who on earth wanted him in our team....not me.
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