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Post by marwood on Apr 9, 2019 21:14:49 GMT
Well Collins can play centre half and Tymon left back. Where's the harm. They can't be any worse As long as Clucas is on the bench and not in midfield! I am sick to the back fucking bollocks of seeing Clucas wave his arms around in a "it wasn't me" gesture every time he gets booked, cautioned, contests a throw in, sent off or gives the ball away. It is you Clucas you pipe, so unless you are saying "what the fluck am I doing in the first eleven" I don't want to see it
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 21:15:20 GMT
I really don't think Bojan could have made things better for us tonight. He would've been starved of any, or near to any, balls, and we know that he's not actually a midfield destroyer, even if he can put in a shift sometimes. He might have offered us a little more positivity, but with the entire team underperforming that would have helped little.
The woeful mistake was thinking Clucas could offer us anything constructive, He's a defender, and may actually do good forward runs from lb position, sort of McClean style, but there's not a creative bone in him, and if Jones didn't know that from watching his earlier games, then I just don't know what good he is for. Supposedly Clucas was our no. 10, but I don't he spent a second in that position, unless you think number 10 is either wide on the left or deep in defensive midfield.
The other mistake was thinking we were a great defensive team just because we had managed to grind out 5 zeros, and setting us to defend another one without having a clear structure in the way we were set up. Who was supposed to play the balls forward, apart from Williams' and Batth's hoofs?
I suppose if the "put that to bed" should be brought out, then it must also be that we can do without Shawcross. Clearly we can't.
But at the end of things we were outplayed and outclassed by a wonderful team on the night. Imagine if Potter had been our manager?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 9, 2019 21:19:20 GMT
He would've been starved of any, or near to any, balls I can categorically confirm that this statement is false.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 9, 2019 21:19:52 GMT
Fucking hell it was so much simpler when Pulis was here. we had top players who were getting pelters for binary wins every week. Apart from cup games of course No we didn’t.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 21:21:49 GMT
As much as I want to see Jones succeed, his hard-on for Maclean, and Clucas it seems, is really beginning to piss me off.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Apr 9, 2019 21:37:15 GMT
As much as I want to see Jones succeed, his hard-on for Maclean, and Clucas it seems, is really beginning to piss me off. Agreed. I admire Jones for playing the kids, but its a bit shit if the kids are immediately dropped when they Mc & Cluc return.
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Post by march4 on Apr 9, 2019 21:41:58 GMT
Clucas is already a candidate for our worst ever signing. However, he is competing for that award with Afobe.
When one then chucks Vokes into the mix, is it any wonder we rarely have the ball in the opposition half of the pitch.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Apr 9, 2019 21:43:55 GMT
But at the end of things we were outplayed and outclassed by a wonderful team on the night. Imagine if Potter had been our manager? Swansea have more proper footballers in their squad and are in good form; we somehow just lost it while they clearly didn’t. Plus Swansea almost beat Citeh recently. They shouldn’t be where they are now in the table, but they’ve also struggled with transistion to Championship as well as been shafted by owners and have no money. We have money but scarcely any proper fooballers...
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Post by thevoid on Apr 9, 2019 22:50:25 GMT
Bizarre really. We play some of our best football with Bojan and Verlinden and then they get bombed out for Clucas and McClean? Utterly fucking bizarre. What on Earth is NJ thinking... I thought he was supposed to like footballers.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 9, 2019 22:56:23 GMT
Fucking hell it was so much simpler when Pulis was here. we had top players who were getting pelters for binary wins every week. Apart from cup games of course 'Binary wins every week'? The Binary sequence saw 7 wins and 8 defeats, with 5 defeats on the spin at one point. And against Championship opposition en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%9305_Stoke_City_F.C._season?wprov=sfla1
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Post by hyaduck on Apr 9, 2019 23:32:23 GMT
Ryan in the team, five clean sheets. Ryan injured, three goal defeat. It's just like old times. I don't think he would of made any difference tonight. We need a complete clearcut in the summer taking in massive losses on most players and like it or not, Shawcross needs to go as well. If we are serious about getting out of this league we need skill and PACE, unfortunately Shawcross has neither.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 10, 2019 5:04:16 GMT
If you're telling me Bojan would've stopped Swansea running rings around us then I respectfully disagree. We were always gonna get hammered last night, it was obvious.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 10, 2019 5:54:06 GMT
As much as I want to see Jones succeed, his hard-on for Maclean, and Clucas it seems, is really beginning to piss me off. The fact that he appeared to be happy to let Mclean go in January (Forest - fell through) suggests it's not a hard-on for the plsyer himself but the fact that they are closest to the physical, pressing, presence that he wants to play ( whether you're a fan of Bojan or not you would have to agree that's definitely not his forte). If that's the route we are going down then you can only hope that the summer will either offer the recruitment or coaching to allow him to deliver it more successfully than to date.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Apr 10, 2019 10:27:53 GMT
Of only some have been saying this for months...
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Post by steewee on Apr 10, 2019 17:30:55 GMT
Last night settled it
Bojan is our Messiah
Has to play
Only an absolute backwards thinking, cave dwelling, football hating, rugby loving, probably likes billiards person would not start Bojan
And I know some of you exist, but I'd suggest you go watch non league
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Post by kelw on Apr 11, 2019 3:04:20 GMT
Ryan in the team, five clean sheets. Ryan injured, three goal defeat. It's just like old times. sorry but can't see what difference Shawcross would have made last night. Been playing better lately but not like we haven't conceded 3 with him in the team before. We were just awful
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 6:18:02 GMT
As much as I want to see Jones succeed, his hard-on for Maclean, and Clucas it seems, is really beginning to piss me off. The fact that he appeared to be happy to let Mclean go in January (Forest - fell through) suggests it's not a hard-on for the plsyer himself but the fact that they are closest to the physical, pressing, presence that he wants to play ( whether you're a fan of Bojan or not you would have to agree that's definitely not his forte). If that's the route we are going down then you can only hope that the summer will either offer the recruitment or coaching to allow him to deliver it more successfully than to date. That was in January. At that time Jones had only just arrived and didn't know then what he knows now: that James McClean is the answer to all our prayers and that he must play every single game or we are doomed, and now McClean is unsellable unless we get offered £1B. Some manager that-
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 11, 2019 7:30:26 GMT
Last night settled it Bojan is our Messiah Has to play Only an absolute backwards thinking, cave dwelling, football hating, rugby loving, probably likes billiards person would not start Bojan And I know some of you exist, but I'd suggest you go watch non league I don't think Bojan is the Messiah - but then again I don't think the Messiah is the Messiah. However I do like billiards.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 11, 2019 8:34:57 GMT
The myth that Bojan offers little and is passed it. Our two, arguably, best performances under Jones have been with him starting. Tonight was an abomination with only Jones to blame. If McLean, Clucas or Williams start another game this season I really fear for us going forward. How we gonna shift’em if they not in the shop window...
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Post by questionable on Apr 11, 2019 8:56:38 GMT
As much as I like Bojan the likes of Rowett and Jones want plodders, McLean, Clucas,Vokes etc.
It really shows that they’re extremely limited in their thoughts of the game and how to incorporate such a talented player.
Jones has shown his hand with his bizarre team selections and substitutions and Afobe on the right WTF was he thinking, bang average manager with little, if any knowledge of the Championship and after 3 months he’s learned nothing whatsoever.
Sorry he’s no better than Rowett if we’re actually truthful with ourselves, the football is exact he same boringly bad.
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Post by silverdollar on Apr 11, 2019 9:27:31 GMT
I have to say his selections at time do worry me. We are way behind Swansea at the moment, let alone Norwich or Leeds and he wants just a few tweaks!! Jones has a very limited group of players from which to choose a team! It is very clear to me that patience is a characteristic that few Potters fans possess. I thought that Swansea played exceptionally well the other night. I find the idea of having Adam in the team to compete against Swansea's pace laughable. If he'd played I suggest we might have ended up playing with eight players. My areas of concern in the team are the performances of players such as Vokes, Afobe and McClean. They all struggled to make any impact on the game! Nevertheless Jones still has to try and make some progress and as much as I have been impressed with the young players they have to e introduced slowly and sensibly or their mental strength can be shattered. I believe that by next season Verlinden and Edwards will be regulars in the team. Collins is very young but reports suggest that he might be good enough so yet another promising situation on the horizon. Before the bitter disappointment this week I have seen Jones move the team and the club forward. He has my 100% backing!
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 11, 2019 10:06:12 GMT
Our midfield stuggled and our fullbacks struggled a lot against a busy Swansea team. I honestly don't think Bojan, Shawcross, Ince or the ref would have changed this at all on the night. We were second best in everything, as simple as that.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 11, 2019 11:20:00 GMT
Last night settled it Bojan is our Messiah Has to play Only an absolute backwards thinking, cave dwelling, football hating, rugby loving, probably likes billiards person would not start Bojan And I know some of you exist, but I'd suggest you go watch non league I thought that 'the bitterest man in football' thread was going to be about one of them, there's a few to choose from
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Post by adi on Apr 11, 2019 11:44:02 GMT
We have no choice but to play williams as he will go centre half and clucas will now fill in at left back. Well Collins can play centre half and Tymon left back. Where's the harm. They can't be any worse Tymon? The thought of him playing again fills me with dread, he was awful last time out and rightly dropped.
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Post by adi on Apr 11, 2019 11:45:30 GMT
Clucas is already a candidate for our worst ever signing. However, he is competing for that award with Afobe. When one then chucks Vokes into the mix, is it any wonder we rarely have the ball in the opposition half of the pitch. I’d argue it’s the defence and more so the job of the midfield to get the ball into the opposition half/box... the strikers are there to score.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 11, 2019 11:48:20 GMT
Last night settled it Bojan is our Messiah Has to play Only an absolute backwards thinking, cave dwelling, football hating, rugby loving, probably likes billiards person would not start Bojan And I know some of you exist, but I'd suggest you go watch non league I don't think Bojan is the Messiah - but then again I don't think the Messiah is the Messiah. However I do like billiards. Thanks Biscuit.
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