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Post by auntiegeorge on Apr 1, 2019 5:01:59 GMT
Yesterday the wife's cousin successfully signed the official petition to revoke Article 50 at petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584So far, so good. Everyone has a right to have their voice heard. But there's a problem. She is a US citizen living in Nashville, Tennessee. She has never even set foot in the UK. All she needed was an email address and a UK postcode. If anyone in the world with an email address can sign this petition it surely calls into question its entire legitimacy? It is totally unregulated and proof of UK citizenship and residency is not required at the time of signing. There is no security in place to prevent people signing multiple times with multiple email addresses and people recruiting friends and contacts from outside the UK to bolster the numbers. Even allowing for such abuse, most of the supposed 6 million are those who voted to remain in the referendum anyway. This whole petition is a sham and proves absolutely nothing. I hope at least one member of our failed political class will point out these inherently serious flaws when they discuss it today. I've already emailed Jack Brereton to see what his response is. |
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Post by santy on Apr 1, 2019 5:34:32 GMT
Maybe it will just end up giving Theresa May the idea to try and get members of the US Congress to vote for her Brexit deal.
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Post by felonious on Apr 1, 2019 6:20:58 GMT
Maybe it will just end up giving Theresa May the idea to try and get members of the US Congress to vote for her Brexit deal. Do they have a habit of following up on manifesto pledges? |
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 1, 2019 6:33:56 GMT
Maybe it will just end up giving Theresa May the idea to try and get members of the US Congress to vote for her Brexit deal. Do they have a habit of following up on manifesto pledges? As long as it doesn’t involve building walls |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 1, 2019 6:47:50 GMT
Many politicians have dismissed the petition, by voting against revoking article 50 in the indicative votes.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Apr 1, 2019 6:52:18 GMT
Many politicians have dismissed the petition, by voting against revoking article 50 in the indicative votes. This is true, but the media is claiming the 6 million figure as a fact. It thus has the potential to shape public opinion and calls for a softer Brexit. |
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Post by Billybigbollox on Apr 1, 2019 7:53:27 GMT
Many politicians have dismissed the petition, by voting against revoking article 50 in the indicative votes. This is true, but the media is claiming the 6 million figure as a fact. It thus has the potential to shape public opinion and calls for a softer Brexit. It looks as though we’ll get that anyway AG. This parliament was never going to agree to May’s deal given that 500 of them were remainers. The electorate would argue that their MP should represent their constituents, but those arrogant bastards all think that we don’t know what we were voting for. Funny how all those that voted remain did. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 1, 2019 9:07:19 GMT
Many politicians have dismissed the petition, by voting against revoking article 50 in the indicative votes. This is true, but the media is claiming the 6 million figure as a fact. It thus has the potential to shape public opinion and calls for a softer Brexit. Well the fact that 6 million people have signed it is a fact. It's another issue whether a petition with limited checking mechanisms should change Parliament's opinion - and thankfully it hasn't (as shown by the indicative votes) and I completely agree with them. This petition to revoke article 50 is the extreme end of the spectrum (the other end from a no deal departure) in terms of Brexit outcomes and is the only way politicians could actually unilaterally overrule the referendum result. For me it should be taken off the table. The general election of 2017 was far more an indication of the public opinion on a softer Brexit than this petition. Although the only true way of knowing public opinion on a soft Brexit would be through a referendum with a soft Brexit on the ballot paper - if not that, than we have to go with Parliament's opinion. |
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Apr 1, 2019 10:34:59 GMT
Yesterday the wife's cousin successfully signed the official petition to revoke Article 50 at petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584So far, so good. Everyone has a right to have their voice heard. But there's a problem. She is a US citizen living in Nashville, Tennessee. She has never even set foot in the UK. All she needed was an email address and a UK postcode. If anyone in the world with an email address can sign this petition it surely calls into question its entire legitimacy? It is totally unregulated and proof of UK citizenship and residency is not required at the time of signing. There is no security in place to prevent people signing multiple times with multiple email addresses and people recruiting friends and contacts from outside the UK to bolster the numbers. Even allowing for such abuse, most of the supposed 6 million are those who voted to remain in the referendum anyway. This whole petition is a sham and proves absolutely nothing. I hope at least one member of our failed political class will point out these inherently serious flaws when they discuss it today. I've already emailed Jack Brereton to see what his response is. When the poll was on about 4M and somebody had mentioned fraud and overseas signatures, the petitions committee seemed to know how many had been signed outside of the UK. It was at 4%, which they said was typical for the type of petition. They don’t comment in detail about their security measures but acknowledged that they’ve got techniques to cancel and block signatures from disposable email addresses, VPNs, duplicate emails etc. and obviously know what’s coming from overseas and whereabouts. Even with all of that I bet a good chunk of the 96% signing it in the UK will be duplicate signatures. Doesn’t mean it’s a sham, or that it needs its entire legitimacy questioned and proves nothing. It’s just an online petition that isn’t taken particularly seriously but shows that there’s an awful lot of people that want us to remain a member of the EU. I’d email Jack Brereton back if I were you and tell him ‘never mind’. |
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Post by thevoid on Apr 1, 2019 10:46:32 GMT
Some of the names that signed it included:
Irene Main
Petula N Twatt
Dave Dee
Dozy
Beaky
Mick
Titch
JC Juncker-Smythe
Mona Lott
G Soros
Jon Snow
Cersei Lannister
Votey McVoteface
Apparently there were 343 people from the same IP address in Thailand too 😉
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 1, 2019 11:16:46 GMT
Some of the names that signed it included: Irene Main Petula N Twatt Dave Dee Dozy Beaky Mick Titch JC Juncker-Smythe Mona Lott G Soros Jon Snow Cersei Lannister Votey McVoteface Apparently there were 343 people from the same IP address in Thailand too 😉 Any likely remoaners on here reside or spend a lot of time in Thailand ? |
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 1, 2019 11:51:01 GMT
Yesterday the wife's cousin successfully signed the official petition to revoke Article 50 at petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584So far, so good. Everyone has a right to have their voice heard. But there's a problem. She is a US citizen living in Nashville, Tennessee. She has never even set foot in the UK. All she needed was an email address and a UK postcode. If anyone in the world with an email address can sign this petition it surely calls into question its entire legitimacy? It is totally unregulated and proof of UK citizenship and residency is not required at the time of signing. There is no security in place to prevent people signing multiple times with multiple email addresses and people recruiting friends and contacts from outside the UK to bolster the numbers. Even allowing for such abuse, most of the supposed 6 million are those who voted to remain in the referendum anyway. This whole petition is a sham and proves absolutely nothing. I hope at least one member of our failed political class will point out these inherently serious flaws when they discuss it today. I've already emailed Jack Brereton to see what his response is. This is well-known and accepted for any online government petition that has ever been debated in parliament. You might get some dodgy signatures but it’s generally not that many. This is not new information. |
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