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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 22, 2019 21:49:12 GMT
WBA - 30pts [ for selling Berrahino to us] By that calculation Tottenham should be in League 1 with the points deduction coming their way for Palacios and Wimmer!
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Post by wrighter on Mar 22, 2019 21:59:40 GMT
WBA - 30pts [ for selling Berrahino to us] By that calculation Tottenham should be in League 1 with the points deduction coming their way for Palacios and Wimmer!
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 23, 2019 1:53:37 GMT
I'm not sure Birmingham are safe
they have to play WBA, Sheff Utd and Leeds, as well relegation rivals Wigan and Rotherham!!!!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 23, 2019 7:57:56 GMT
Daily mail Derby villa and Wednesday possible 9 points reduction. Come on our lads top 10 could be us. Could this be us in 3 years?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 23, 2019 10:03:43 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 23, 2019 10:04:24 GMT
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Mar 23, 2019 10:15:14 GMT
"minus 1 for previous good behaviour" Make's it sound like they're dealing with a naughty 3 year old.
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Post by kelw on Mar 23, 2019 11:21:28 GMT
Daily mail Derby villa and Wednesday possible 9 points reduction. Come on our lads top 10 could be us. Could this be us in 3 years? Can't see any evidence to suggest that to be fair If it keeps happening we could make the play offs though
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 23, 2019 12:23:18 GMT
Daily mail Derby villa and Wednesday possible 9 points reduction. Come on our lads top 10 could be us. Could this be us in 3 years? It would be if the club took any notice of the lunatics on here who think "Financial Sustainability" is a dirty word. Fortunately the club's owners aren't the economic equivalent of climate change deniers. We actually appear to be ahead of the game - Jones is already making noises of a smaller squad and a massive clear out over the summer. Unlike Birmingham and other it looks like we're not playing ostrich over this one.
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Post by bolders on Mar 23, 2019 16:19:39 GMT
WBA - 30pts [ for selling Berrahino to us] By that calculation Tottenham should be in League 1 with the points deduction coming their way for Palacios and Wimmer! Arsenal minus 1 million for just being constant cheats and a scummy team and fans
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 23, 2019 18:26:12 GMT
Could this be us in 3 years? It would be if the club took any notice of the lunatics on here who think "Financial Sustainability" is a dirty word. Fortunately the club's owners aren't the economic equivalent of climate change deniers. We actually appear to be ahead of the game - Jones is already making noises of a smaller squad and a massive clear out over the summer. Unlike Birmingham and other it looks like we're not playing ostrich over this one. My concerns would be the ponces like Imbula, NDaiye that we’re left with. I guess that sponsorship by Bet365 could help us keep the figures down?
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Post by kelw on Mar 24, 2019 11:35:45 GMT
It would be if the club took any notice of the lunatics on here who think "Financial Sustainability" is a dirty word. Fortunately the club's owners aren't the economic equivalent of climate change deniers. We actually appear to be ahead of the game - Jones is already making noises of a smaller squad and a massive clear out over the summer. Unlike Birmingham and other it looks like we're not playing ostrich over this one. My concerns would be the ponces like Imbula, NDaiye that we’re left with. I guess that sponsorship by Bet365 could help us keep the figures down? Man City currently under investigation for high sponsorship fees for the same thing
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Post by mrred on Mar 24, 2019 14:24:52 GMT
Oh dear what a shame nevermind.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 24, 2019 14:33:55 GMT
Could this be us in 3 years? It would be if the club took any notice of the lunatics on here who think "Financial Sustainability" is a dirty word. Fortunately the club's owners aren't the economic equivalent of climate change deniers. We actually appear to be ahead of the game - Jones is already making noises of a smaller squad and a massive clear out over the summer. Unlike Birmingham and other it looks like we're not playing ostrich over this one. On what basis are we ahead of the game we have a wage bill utterly out of kilter with our collapsing turnover , we’ve wasted £50m we may well not be allowed to spend again and we are now talking of a asset sale to get us in line which will inevitably be our better players . We are have two choices gamble we can beat the Systen second time around as Bournemouth did and if it fails be stuck for years or fall in line and make it a level playing field . I’d say that’s a strategic nightmare bought about by gross incompetence on behalf of the CEO charged with running the club , its the polar opposite of ahead Of the game palace , Leicester ,West Ham ,Bournemouth all have justifiable reason to say they are ahead of the game we have no single ounce I credible claim . Leeds and Norwich Sheffield united in this league could claim the same we are the polar opposite in this league and the one above .
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Post by StaffordPotter on Mar 24, 2019 14:52:28 GMT
My heart bleeds for them.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 25, 2019 13:17:07 GMT
I wonder if Birmingham would have been deducted the points if we'd sold Butland? It's interesting their sell on fee may have saved the deduction. Maybe the £3m or so wouldn't have been enough.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 25, 2019 13:38:36 GMT
It would be if the club took any notice of the lunatics on here who think "Financial Sustainability" is a dirty word. Fortunately the club's owners aren't the economic equivalent of climate change deniers. We actually appear to be ahead of the game - Jones is already making noises of a smaller squad and a massive clear out over the summer. Unlike Birmingham and other it looks like we're not playing ostrich over this one. On what basis are we ahead of the game we have a wage bill utterly out of kilter with our collapsing turnover , we’ve wasted £50m we may well not be allowed to spend again and we are now talking of a asset sale to get us in line which will inevitably be our better players . We are have two choices gamble we can beat the Systen second time around as Bournemouth did and if it fails be stuck for years or fall in line and make it a level playing field . I’d say that’s a strategic nightmare bought about by gross incompetence on behalf of the CEO charged with running the club , its the polar opposite of ahead Of the game palace , Leicester ,West Ham ,Bournemouth all have justifiable reason to say they are ahead of the game we have no single ounce I credible claim . Leeds and Norwich Sheffield united in this league could claim the same we are the polar opposite in this league and the one above . In terms of your two options we are clearly going for option 2 - play by the rules. We are ahead of the game because we are not in denial about our situation. Many newly relegated clubs take years to come to their senses and try your option 1 - look at Villa for one. Some clubs may have got away with it in the past but the Birmingham example is a sobering reminder of where we could end up While we were in the Premiership you banged on week in and week out about net spend. If the club followed your lead we would be in a far worse position than we are now and if we followed your option 1 now we'd be looking at relegation to League 1.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 25, 2019 13:41:52 GMT
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Post by potterspele on Mar 25, 2019 14:40:26 GMT
On what basis are we ahead of the game we have a wage bill utterly out of kilter with our collapsing turnover , we’ve wasted £50m we may well not be allowed to spend again and we are now talking of a asset sale to get us in line which will inevitably be our better players . We are have two choices gamble we can beat the Systen second time around as Bournemouth did and if it fails be stuck for years or fall in line and make it a level playing field . I’d say that’s a strategic nightmare bought about by gross incompetence on behalf of the CEO charged with running the club , its the polar opposite of ahead Of the game palace , Leicester ,West Ham ,Bournemouth all have justifiable reason to say they are ahead of the game we have no single ounce I credible claim . Leeds and Norwich Sheffield united in this league could claim the same we are the polar opposite in this league and the one above . In terms of your two options we are clearly going for option 2 - play by the rules. We are ahead of the game because we are not in denial about our situation. Many newly relegated clubs take years to come to their senses and try your option 1 - look at Villa for one. Some clubs may have got away with it in the past but the Birmingham example is a sobering reminder of where we could end up While we were in the Premiership you banged on week in and week out about net spend. If the club followed your lead we would be in a far worse position than we are now and if we followed your option 1 now we'd be looking at relegation to League 1. Well said. Benji can't have it both ways. Criticism for not spending enough and now apparently spending too much. I'd also point out we inserted relegation clauses to most/all contracts to mitigate the financial impact in the event of relegation which has, sadly, proved to be a wise move. If there is any truth to the suggestion that certain players also have a clause regarding non-promotion that may further reduce the wage bill although I'm not sure if that is pure speculation. The real kick in the teeth will be the unavoidable losses on a number of players but were not the first club it's happened to and we won't be the last. That said the prediction that we're facing some kind of financial meltdown in the coming years is not accurate. We will have to reduce expenditure certainly but given the meagre return from the current bunch of players that will probably do us good.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 25, 2019 15:25:15 GMT
On what basis are we ahead of the game we have a wage bill utterly out of kilter with our collapsing turnover , we’ve wasted £50m we may well not be allowed to spend again and we are now talking of a asset sale to get us in line which will inevitably be our better players . We are have two choices gamble we can beat the Systen second time around as Bournemouth did and if it fails be stuck for years or fall in line and make it a level playing field . I’d say that’s a strategic nightmare bought about by gross incompetence on behalf of the CEO charged with running the club , its the polar opposite of ahead Of the game palace , Leicester ,West Ham ,Bournemouth all have justifiable reason to say they are ahead of the game we have no single ounce I credible claim . Leeds and Norwich Sheffield united in this league could claim the same we are the polar opposite in this league and the one above . In terms of your two options we are clearly going for option 2 - play by the rules. We are ahead of the game because we are not in denial about our situation. Many newly relegated clubs take years to come to their senses and try your option 1 - look at Villa for one. Some clubs may have got away with it in the past but the Birmingham example is a sobering reminder of where we could end up While we were in the Premiership you banged on week in and week out about net spend. If the club followed your lead we would be in a far worse position than we are now and if we followed your option 1 now we'd be looking at relegation to League 1. Net spend being way off the competitor set is what got us relegated as well as terrible recruitment of what we did spend , we simply didn’t keep pace with Bournemouth , Palace amd West Ham and look where they are now . Net profit the summer we sold Arnie cost us £100m revenue the flowing summer and will do for years to come every summer , as did the previous summer lowest net spenders for those years cost us we tightened and tried to be clever , Frees loans and the odd speculative buy Wimmer instead of sakho for example while others invested its a delusion to believe we are ahead of anything your spot on we clearly are going for option 2 and Jones deserves unstinting support as a result , but we are going for option 2 because we made a absolute balls of the biggest opportunity in our history and the Fact the principal architects and henchmen survive is simply staggering
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 25, 2019 18:01:45 GMT
In terms of your two options we are clearly going for option 2 - play by the rules. We are ahead of the game because we are not in denial about our situation. Many newly relegated clubs take years to come to their senses and try your option 1 - look at Villa for one. Some clubs may have got away with it in the past but the Birmingham example is a sobering reminder of where we could end up While we were in the Premiership you banged on week in and week out about net spend. If the club followed your lead we would be in a far worse position than we are now and if we followed your option 1 now we'd be looking at relegation to League 1. Net spend being way off the competitor set is what got us relegated as well as terrible recruitment of what we did spend , we simply didn’t keep pace with Bournemouth , Palace amd West Ham and look where they are now . Net profit the summer we sold Arnie cost us £100m revenue the flowing summer and will do for years to come every summer , as did the previous summer lowest net spenders for those years cost us we tightened and tried to be clever , Frees loans and the odd speculative buy Wimmer instead of sakho for example while others invested its a delusion to believe we are ahead of anything your spot on we clearly are going for option 2 and Jones deserves unstinting support as a result , but we are going for option 2 because we made a absolute balls of the biggest opportunity in our history and the Fact the principal architects and henchmen survive is simply staggering The fundamental flaw in your argument is that spending more would have automatically guaranteed us staying in the Premiership. This is not true. The big six are in a different league when it comes to spending power and it isn't just about the available cash - it's about the economics of the locality, their commercial clout on the world stage and their ability to attract and keep the very best players. Any team outside of the big six can have a bad season and get relegated - and if you don't manage yourself with that possibility in mind you'll end up in big trouble - like Leeds, Bolton, Blackburn, Portsmouth.... We did actually throw quite a lot of money at staying up - but ended up with players who wanted to play in the Premier League and not for Stoke City Football Club. However we didn't go mental - which is what you wanted us to do and would have left us in a dreadful state. The one thing we do agree on is that Jones deserves our support - and that includes managing our return to the Premiership by playing by the financial rules. If we behave recklessly we will get a points deduction and won't go up. Financial sustainability is the only option for a sane club.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 25, 2019 22:46:36 GMT
Net spend being way off the competitor set is what got us relegated as well as terrible recruitment of what we did spend , we simply didn’t keep pace with Bournemouth , Palace amd West Ham and look where they are now . Net profit the summer we sold Arnie cost us £100m revenue the flowing summer and will do for years to come every summer , as did the previous summer lowest net spenders for those years cost us we tightened and tried to be clever , Frees loans and the odd speculative buy Wimmer instead of sakho for example while others invested its a delusion to believe we are ahead of anything your spot on we clearly are going for option 2 and Jones deserves unstinting support as a result , but we are going for option 2 because we made a absolute balls of the biggest opportunity in our history and the Fact the principal architects and henchmen survive is simply staggering The fundamental flaw in your argument is that spending more would have automatically guaranteed us staying in the Premiership. This is not true. The big six are in a different league when it comes to spending power and it isn't just about the available cash - it's about the economics of the locality, their commercial clout on the world stage and their ability to attract and keep the very best players. Any team outside of the big six can have a bad season and get relegated - and if you don't manage yourself with that possibility in mind you'll end up in big trouble - like Leeds, Bolton, Blackburn, Portsmouth.... We did actually throw quite a lot of money at staying up - but ended up with players who wanted to play in the Premier League and not for Stoke City Football Club. However we didn't go mental - which is what you wanted us to do and would have left us in a dreadful state. The one thing we do agree on is that Jones deserves our support - and that includes managing our return to the Premiership by playing by the financial rules. If we behave recklessly we will get a points deduction and won't go up. Financial sustainability is the only option for a sane club. If your a billionaire and want to make a profit don’t own a premier Club is the actuall lesson , I certainly dodnt want us to go mental but wolves , Palace , bournemouth , West Ham all seem to be doing ok Leicester invested significantly too the only difference between them. And us is we have wealthier owners , didn’t spend when the game moved And unlike them are now In The championship . However it’s gone now , we’ve thrown away the golden chance and it’s in the rear view mirror , we are a bottom half championship club again , with a income to match m Jones and the well intentioned owners deserve our support the executive team in my mind deserve nothing except a far from lucrative exit for sustained incompetence .
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 26, 2019 23:23:21 GMT
In terms of your two options we are clearly going for option 2 - play by the rules. We are ahead of the game because we are not in denial about our situation. Many newly relegated clubs take years to come to their senses and try your option 1 - look at Villa for one. Some clubs may have got away with it in the past but the Birmingham example is a sobering reminder of where we could end up While we were in the Premiership you banged on week in and week out about net spend. If the club followed your lead we would be in a far worse position than we are now and if we followed your option 1 now we'd be looking at relegation to League 1. Net spend being way off the competitor set is what got us relegated as well as terrible recruitment of what we did spend , we simply didn’t keep pace with Bournemouth , Palace amd West Ham and look where they are now . Net profit the summer we sold Arnie cost us £100m revenue the flowing summer and will do for years to come every summer , as did the previous summer lowest net spenders for those years cost us we tightened and tried to be clever , Frees loans and the odd speculative buy Wimmer instead of sakho for example while others invested its a delusion to believe we are ahead of anything your spot on we clearly are going for option 2 and Jones deserves unstinting support as a result , but we are going for option 2 because we made a absolute balls of the biggest opportunity in our history and the Fact the principal architects and henchmen survive is simply staggering Banging on about net spend again. Ferfuxache. You really drank the kool aid.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2020 22:37:31 GMT
Could be good news for us
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 6, 2020 22:40:33 GMT
Could be good news for us 100 point deduction should do.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 6, 2020 22:43:19 GMT
1 win in their last 14 games.
And Percy suggesting if they're found guilty, it'll be more than the nine points they got last time.
Keep Right On to League One
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2020 22:45:17 GMT
Come on EFL throw the book at them......
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Post by nickpowellgoals on Jan 6, 2020 22:48:13 GMT
Another 9 points off would raise us a place higher and place us 4 points above them and the bottom of the table
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Jan 6, 2020 22:53:08 GMT
Could be good news for us Looks like we're going to keep Butland then till the end of the season.
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Post by blackpoolred on Jan 6, 2020 22:53:37 GMT
If they could also give Luton, Wigan and Barnsley a 20pt deduction that would be nice too. There must be something they can drag up on them. Barnsley should get a deduction just for being a Yorkshire club
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