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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 21, 2019 13:44:50 GMT
The Big Bang CREATED Space,so what was there for the Big Bang to happen in? If there was nothing,doesn't that mean there was space?because that's what space is,an area with nothing in it. Sod it,I'm going for a lie down.
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Post by shangamuzo on Mar 21, 2019 14:12:51 GMT
The Big Bang CREATED Space,so what was there for the Big Bang to happen in? If there was nothing,doesn't that mean there was space?because that's what space is,an area with nothing in it. Sod it,I'm going for a lie down. Who lit the blue touchpaper ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2019 16:03:06 GMT
How do they know it was the big bang.....in space, you here nothing
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 21, 2019 16:15:24 GMT
There is no such thing as nothing....
and space is not nothing. Its crazy shit!
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Post by flea79 on Mar 21, 2019 16:47:37 GMT
isnt this where theologians take over now?
the popular held theory is that if they can crack the dark matter question it will allow for questions such as this to be answered!
if you really want to make your head hurt the universe is expanding constantly, what the hell is it expanding into!
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Post by Hiram on Mar 21, 2019 17:16:13 GMT
What's North of the North pole?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 21, 2019 17:19:57 GMT
isnt this where theologians take over now? the popular held theory is that if they can crack the dark matter question it will allow for questions such as this to be answered! if you really want to make your head hurt the universe is expanding constantly, what the hell is it expanding into! It will expand untill everything will be too far from everything,you want even able to see nearby Galaxes,we will drift apart untill everything in the Universe dies out,there wont be enough matter to create new Stars. If we expand too quickly everything will be ript apart,even Atoms. If things eventually slow down enough,then the Universe will fall back in on on its self,a big crunch.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 21, 2019 17:20:58 GMT
What's North of the North pole? It's back downhill after that.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 21, 2019 17:24:17 GMT
The Big Bang CREATED Space,so what was there for the Big Bang to happen in? If there was nothing,doesn't that mean there was space?because that's what space is,an area with nothing in it. Sod it,I'm going for a lie down. Go to the Bible thread , it's all in the Old Testament
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 21, 2019 17:42:45 GMT
How do they know it was the big bang.....in space, you here nothing ☺ Didn’t Ethan Hawke say that the Big-Bang was something of a misnomer...
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Post by lordb on Mar 21, 2019 18:20:57 GMT
How do they know it was the big bang.....in space, you here nothing ☺ Didn’t Ethan Hawke say that the Big-Bang was something of a misnomer... Was going to make a Gary Glitter joke here but decided it would be a step too far. So insert your own instead.
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Post by Goonie on Mar 21, 2019 18:28:33 GMT
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Mar 21, 2019 19:28:39 GMT
God
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 21, 2019 19:57:16 GMT
The Big Bang CREATED Space,so what was there for the Big Bang to happen in? If there was nothing,doesn't that mean there was space?because that's what space is,an area with nothing in it. Sod it,I'm going for a lie down. Go to the Bible thread , it's all in the Old Testament I'm not into fantasy.😛
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Post by musik on Mar 21, 2019 20:20:25 GMT
The Big Bang CREATED Space,so what was there for the Big Bang to happen in? If there was nothing,doesn't that mean there was space?because that's what space is,an area with nothing in it. Sod it,I'm going for a lie down. By space, do you mean the Universe? I've always thought there are many spaces = universes. Q: Was there a Big bang in each one of them?
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Post by trentvale68 on Mar 21, 2019 20:29:35 GMT
To be honest, no one knows for sure, and we probably never will either.
Its all best guesses😁😁😁😁
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 21, 2019 20:51:23 GMT
To be honest, no one knows for sure, and we probably never will either. Its all best guesses😁😁😁😁 Science Theory
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Post by thequietman on Mar 22, 2019 12:40:37 GMT
Could have been multiple big bangs**, each one creating a universe which collapsed into nothing because the physical laws it created weren't self-sustaining. Finally ended up with one in which the laws worked and here we are.
Sort of like Stoke managers, really. Current laws/Stoke manager still being assessed.
**bit of a misnomer, there was no bang, it was more of a big expansion.
Nothing? Particles create themselves from "nothing" all the time. Some mutually exterminate themselves almost instantaneously, some manage to get far enough apart, quickly enough to continue existing. Space is indeed a whacky thing.
The average colour of the universe is a slightly beige shade of white. Dull place.
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Post by maxplonk on Mar 22, 2019 13:01:57 GMT
The Big Bang CREATED Space,so what was there for the Big Bang to happen in? If there was nothing,doesn't that mean there was space?because that's what space is,an area with nothing in it. Sod it,I'm going for a lie down. Time began with the Big Bang so there was no "before"........and now my head hurts.
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Post by scottzbj on Mar 22, 2019 13:02:33 GMT
isnt this where theologians take over now? the popular held theory is that if they can crack the dark matter question it will allow for questions such as this to be answered! if you really want to make your head hurt the universe is expanding constantly, what the hell is it expanding into! Why would the theologians take over? It's a bit like saying we don't quite understand how the e-bola virus spreads, let's see what the lady who sells greetings cards in the market under the Potteries centre thinks.
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Post by flea79 on Mar 22, 2019 13:03:58 GMT
isnt this where theologians take over now? the popular held theory is that if they can crack the dark matter question it will allow for questions such as this to be answered! if you really want to make your head hurt the universe is expanding constantly, what the hell is it expanding into! Why would the theologians take over? It's a bit like saying we don't quite understand how the e-bola virus spreads, let's see what the lady who sells greetings cards under the Potteries centre thinks. As there is no definitive answer provided by science a theologian would give higher power theories! Although science has theories now, well that’s what I was told at school.....
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Post by musik on Mar 22, 2019 16:42:25 GMT
The Big Bang CREATED Space,so what was there for the Big Bang to happen in? If there was nothing,doesn't that mean there was space?because that's what space is,an area with nothing in it. Sod it,I'm going for a lie down. Time began with the Big Bang so there was no "before"........and now my head hurts. But you won't die just because your clock stops.
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Post by musik on Mar 22, 2019 16:47:14 GMT
Could have been multiple big bangs**, each one creating a universe which collapsed into nothing because the physical laws it created weren't self-sustaining. Finally ended up with one in which the laws worked and here we are. Sort of like Stoke managers, really. Current laws/Stoke manager still being assessed.
**bit of a misnomer, there was no bang, it was more of a big expansion. Nothing? Particles create themselves from "nothing" all the time. Some mutually exterminate themselves almost instantaneously, some manage to get far enough apart, quickly enough to continue existing. Space is indeed a whacky thing.
The average colour of the universe is a slightly beige shade of white. Dull place.
Multiple big bangs yes, each successful one resulting in another universe - these are linked together, think of a raspberry. A thought now shared all the way from the Vedas literature 5000 years ago to our present time within the newest scientific research.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 23, 2019 11:35:52 GMT
There was no "before" the Big Bang! It created time and space, time is how we measure space and movement, if there was no space, there was no movement, and therefore no time.
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Post by musik on Mar 23, 2019 13:16:05 GMT
There was no "before" the Big Bang! It created time and space, time is how we measure space and movement, if there was no space, there was no movement, and therefore no time. Correct. When there is no visible/measurable movement - and not even a space, there can't be any time - since those are the ingredients for us to measure time. Time is a human figment. But the main question isn't really what was before the big bang, but what is outside these universe/s - and therefore before, during and after the big bang. This was first discussed in the Vedas literature ~5000 years ago (disagreement exist, 3700-7000), but now physicists have begun to discuss this theoretically.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 23, 2019 14:34:06 GMT
There was no "before" the Big Bang! It created time and space, time is how we measure space and movement, if there was no space, there was no movement, and therefore no time. This concept is impossible for the average person to understand as is infinitely . It will do yer brain in
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 23, 2019 16:09:04 GMT
isnt this where theologians take over now? the popular held theory is that if they can crack the dark matter question it will allow for questions such as this to be answered! if you really want to make your head hurt the universe is expanding constantly, what the hell is it expanding into! It's not expanding "into" anything, because the universe is "everything". If it exists, it is part of the universe. A lot of the problem is that our brains only really comprehend three dimensions because that's how we interpret the world, but there are other dimensions out there. A great analogy I once read needs us to drop down to two dimensions. Imagine the universe is a balloon that's slowly inflating and you're an ant on the surface. Ignore what's inside, we'll only discuss the surface. To your feet, you seem to be on a flat plane. As air goes in, the other ants appear to be moving further away. If you start walking in any direction though, you will eventually end up back at your original point. If you keep doing laps, it will take you longer each time as the air goes in, but you'll always wind up back at the same point. A lot of physicists think that's what happens to the universe, but scale it up to 3D. We could move in any direction, but eventually we'll end up back at the same point. It's the extra dimensions that allow this to happen. It's like if you could get a powerful enough telescope and stare in any direction in the sky, as long as you had an unobstructed view, with enough time for the light to travel, you'd eventually be staring at the back of your own head. So whereas in 3D you need space for something to expand into, this is not necessary for the universe, it has no edge, it doesn't require anything to grow into, yet its bodies are moving away from each other.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 23, 2019 16:15:38 GMT
And also we tend to get caught up with thinking about causality, because this is the visible world as you know it.
You can look at anything and theorise how it got there. You drive down a road and see a tree lying on it, and you can start to work out what caused it. Maybe a storm blew it over, maybe someone chopped it down, but there must be a reason that it came to be there.
On a quantum level though, these rules of cause and effect don't necessarily apply. Things start to behave, even start to exist, or disappear, with nothing to cause them. The just exist, then no longer exist. Possibly, something very similar happened with the universe.
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Post by musik on Mar 24, 2019 0:59:09 GMT
Things even start to exist, or disappear, with nothing to cause them. The just exist, then no longer exist. Possibly, something very similar happened with the universe. You mean like they come from another dimension, one we can't see, feel or measure in any way, and in some way then become known to us. Like, we notice it, it's visible.
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Post by musik on Mar 24, 2019 1:04:28 GMT
isnt this where theologians take over now? the popular held theory is that if they can crack the dark matter question it will allow for questions such as this to be answered! if you really want to make your head hurt the universe is expanding constantly, what the hell is it expanding into! It's not expanding "into" anything, because the universe is "everything". If it exists, it is part of the universe. By 'universe', you mean ... THIS universe? The universe we live in?
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