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Post by felonious on Mar 20, 2019 7:12:47 GMT
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Post by adi on Mar 20, 2019 7:45:32 GMT
Are they real?? It’s illegal, so don’t fucking do it!
“Going on to the playing area at a football match is an arrestable offence under the Football (Offences) Act 1991.”
Snowflake generation strikes again, how dare they be prosecuted for breaking the law?! The indignity!
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 20, 2019 7:56:51 GMT
Are they real?? It’s illegal, so don’t fucking do it! “Going on to the playing area at a football match is an arrestable offence under the Football (Offences) Act 1991.” Snowflake generation strikes again, how dare they be prosecuted for breaking the law?! The indignity! Yes and wasting police time sitting round court when someone is being prosecuted. Just let everyone, who breaks the law, off. We could save the country money with court costs and reduce police numbers further.  |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 20, 2019 8:02:33 GMT
I can sort of see what they're saying. A few lads who excitedly spill onto the pitch in the heat of a mental isn't the same as the idiot who hit Grealish.
Should they do it? No, but as a scene it's one of the things that's made countless moments special. From 'some people are on the pitch' in 1966 to the Ronnie Radford goal, they somehow mean less without the kids on the pitch going mental.
The Grealish thing has understandably put everyone on red alert, but does a daft lad who's spilled onto the track to celebrate a goal really need to be detained for 20 hours?
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Post by adi on Mar 20, 2019 9:56:57 GMT
Are they real?? It’s illegal, so don’t fucking do it! “Going on to the playing area at a football match is an arrestable offence under the Football (Offences) Act 1991.” Snowflake generation strikes again, how dare they be prosecuted for breaking the law?! The indignity! Yes and wasting police time sitting round court when someone is being prosecuted. Just let everyone, who breaks the law, off. We could save the country money with court costs and reduce police numbers further. It’s like those who sit in the back of a police car when stopped for speeding or no insurance saying “why don’t you go and arrest some real criminals like rapists etc.” |
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Post by cityboy on Mar 20, 2019 10:21:25 GMT
How many of us were on the pitch when we beat Leicester to go into the prem?, Were u adi.
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Post by sheds1862 on Mar 20, 2019 12:07:40 GMT
Hereford v Newcastle would of been a busy time in magistrates
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Post by StaffordPotter on Mar 20, 2019 12:24:01 GMT
It seems over the top as a punishment, but in my opinion if people know they face a criminal charge for it then it's their own stupid fault really.
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Post by adi on Mar 20, 2019 12:26:46 GMT
How many of us were on the pitch when we beat Leicester to go into the prem?, Were u adi. Yep, and had I been charged with breaking the law I wouldn’t bleat about it. Has my comment upset you? |
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Post by adi on Mar 20, 2019 12:27:50 GMT
It seems over the top as a punishment, but in my opinion if people know they face a criminal charge for it then it's their own stupid fault really. Apparently according to some it’s not fair, you should be allowed to break the law.... according to some. Snowflakes like I say. |
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Post by cheadlestokie on Mar 20, 2019 13:39:50 GMT
It is one thing running onto the pitch and making a nuisance and prat of yourself, but it is entirely another if when running on you proceed to hit a player.
if you do so just take your punishment - what else could you expect?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 20, 2019 18:19:54 GMT
Tough one this. I can see it from both sides. However because of the sheer stupidity of some total morons I agree they have to draw the line somewhere or else at some point a player is going to end up getting seriously hurt. I can live with being told I am not allowed on the pitch or I will face criminal charges.
As with the promotion season to the premier league I will defo be getting on the pitch again with the next promotion....I will however wait until plenty of others have first though because I am a coward like that!
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Post by keasie1863 on Mar 20, 2019 18:44:51 GMT
I suppose nobody commenting,has ever done anything irrational,after a Stoke goal then!!
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Post by werrington on Mar 20, 2019 19:00:28 GMT
I can sort of see what they're saying. A few lads who excitedly spill onto the pitch in the heat of a mental isn't the same as the idiot who hit Grealish. Should they do it? No, but as a scene it's one of the things that's made countless moments special. From 'some people are on the pitch' in 1966 to the Ronnie Radford goal, they somehow mean less without the kids on the pitch going mental. The Grealish thing has understandably put everyone on red alert, but does a daft lad who's spilled onto the track to celebrate a goal really need to be detained for 20 hours? Whilst the bloke who’s caused criminal damage and assault is freed on bail as the cells are full Nobody ever sits back and thinks in this country it’s all knee jerk and encroachment is the new flavour of the month, it’s like dog attacks when they are the news, they don’t just stop because another story comes along Just gave a look on you tube at the Newcastle fans celebrating that last minute equaliser at Bournemouth and see the HUGE police/steward over reaction Pathetic |
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Post by ursemboys on Mar 20, 2019 19:09:07 GMT
Just out of curiosity what happened to the steward who assaulted grealish in the Birmingham match ?
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Post by waffles on Mar 20, 2019 20:46:48 GMT
Just out of curiosity what happened to the steward who assaulted grealish in the Birmingham match ? Execution mate, new law |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 20, 2019 20:48:20 GMT
I suppose nobody commenting,has ever done anything irrational,after a Stoke goal then!! Can anyone remember a Stoke goal?  |
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Post by KyleLightbulb on Mar 20, 2019 20:49:40 GMT
Snowflake generation strikes again, how dare they be prosecuted for breaking the law?! The indignity! Completely the fucking opposite if you take a minute and actually think about it. It's the "Awh, it dunner hurt me, so it doesn't do any harm" brigade who are behind shit like this. Ask Jack Grealish what he thinks about fans on the pitch... |
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Post by waffles on Mar 21, 2019 18:09:12 GMT
Snowflake generation strikes again, how dare they be prosecuted for breaking the law?! The indignity! Completely the fucking opposite if you take a minute and actually think about it. It's the "Awh, it dunner hurt me, so it doesn't do any harm" brigade who are behind shit like this. Ask Jack Grealish what he thinks about fans on the pitch... I have rang him, he wasn't in so I left a message with his mum |
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Post by nott1 on Mar 22, 2019 6:40:17 GMT
Wouldn't it be nice to have something to get excited about at Stoke?
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Post by mattyd on Mar 22, 2019 7:13:13 GMT
Kenneth Wolstenholme...
" Some People are on the pitch,
They are fucking criminals,
They should be arrested,
THEY ARE NOW"
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Post by felonious on Mar 22, 2019 7:30:14 GMT
Wouldn't it be nice to have something to get excited about at Stoke? We became well behaved after those "True supporters" cards and the rarefied civilised atmosphere of the Premier league with its prawn sandwiches 
Did you not fancy a couple of incursions during that cracking win over Forest?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 22, 2019 13:30:02 GMT
Are they real?? It’s illegal, so don’t fucking do it! “Going on to the playing area at a football match is an arrestable offence under the Football (Offences) Act 1991.” Snowflake generation strikes again, how dare they be prosecuted for breaking the law?! The indignity! Yes we are for real and have a lot of experience in dealing with the aftermath of crowd management issues. If you PM me I’d be happy to meet up at a game and talk through it in more detail. I would ask you to read what my colleague Amanda actually said part of which was that we do not condone or recommend any sort of incursion and certainly not one with violent intent as the Grealish incident had. But she also makes the valid point that the stewarding response should be sufficiently sophisticated andwise to differentiate between violent incursions and minor celebratory incursions. Also we need to be clear in our language when we talk about a “pitch” incursion. If someone goes over the fence on to the path but doesn’t go near the touch line, I think it is misleading to call it a pitch incursion. If you have viewed it do you think that what the Newcastle fans did posed any threat to player safety and do you think that the stewarding response increased or exacerbated the risk to others ? I’m afraid you will have to explain to me what exactly you mean by calling us “snowflakes “ ? 🤔 |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 22, 2019 13:45:52 GMT
Are they real?? It’s illegal, so don’t fucking do it! “Going on to the playing area at a football match is an arrestable offence under the Football (Offences) Act 1991.” Snowflake generation strikes again, how dare they be prosecuted for breaking the law?! The indignity! Yes and wasting police time sitting round court when someone is being prosecuted. Just let everyone, who breaks the law, off. We could save the country money with court costs and reduce police numbers further. I’m not sure that this kind of exaggerated sarcasm takes the debate forward but just for the record the FSF does not take the view that everyone who breaks the law should be let off |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 22, 2019 14:57:38 GMT
Yes and wasting police time sitting round court when someone is being prosecuted. Just let everyone, who breaks the law, off. We could save the country money with court costs and reduce police numbers further. I’m not sure that this kind of exaggerated sarcasm takes the debate forward but just for the record the FSF does not take the view that everyone who breaks the law should be let off  |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 22, 2019 15:28:08 GMT
I’m not sure that this kind of exaggerated sarcasm takes the debate forward but just for the record the FSF does not take the view that everyone who breaks the law should be let off ? |
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Post by felonious on Mar 22, 2019 19:35:27 GMT
Are they real?? It’s illegal, so don’t fucking do it! “Going on to the playing area at a football match is an arrestable offence under the Football (Offences) Act 1991.” Snowflake generation strikes again, how dare they be prosecuted for breaking the law?! The indignity! Yes we are for real and have a lot of experience in dealing with the aftermath of crowd management issues. If you PM me I’d be happy to meet up at a game and talk through it in more detail. I would ask you to read what my colleague Amanda actually said part of which was that we do not condone or recommend any sort of incursion and certainly not one with violent intent as the Grealish incident had. But she also makes the valid point that the stewarding response should be sufficiently sophisticated andwise to differentiate between violent incursions and minor celebratory incursions. Also we need to be clear in our language when we talk about a “pitch” incursion. If someone goes over the fence on to the path but doesn’t go near the touch line, I think it is misleading to call it a pitch incursion. If you have viewed it do you think that what the Newcastle fans did posed any threat to player safety and do you think that the stewarding response increased or exacerbated the risk to others ? I’m afraid you will have to explain to me what exactly you mean by calling us “snowflakes “ ? 🤔 The problem is Malcolm that you're proposing a grey area in what seems currently to be a fairly black and white rule. Stewards will have a split second to make the decision on pitch/ perimeter incursions and as soon as they get one of those decisions wrong they and the club will be sanctioned. Will Amanda and/or the FSF be willing to take all responsibility for a rule change when something goes wrong? |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 22, 2019 23:57:32 GMT
Yes we are for real and have a lot of experience in dealing with the aftermath of crowd management issues. If you PM me I’d be happy to meet up at a game and talk through it in more detail. I would ask you to read what my colleague Amanda actually said part of which was that we do not condone or recommend any sort of incursion and certainly not one with violent intent as the Grealish incident had. But she also makes the valid point that the stewarding response should be sufficiently sophisticated andwise to differentiate between violent incursions and minor celebratory incursions. Also we need to be clear in our language when we talk about a “pitch” incursion. If someone goes over the fence on to the path but doesn’t go near the touch line, I think it is misleading to call it a pitch incursion. If you have viewed it do you think that what the Newcastle fans did posed any threat to player safety and do you think that the stewarding response increased or exacerbated the risk to others ? I’m afraid you will have to explain to me what exactly you mean by calling us “snowflakes “ ? 🤔 The problem is Malcolm that you're proposing a grey area in what seems currently to be a fairly black and white rule. Stewards will have a split second to make the decision on pitch/ perimeter incursions and as soon as they get one of those decisions wrong they and the club will be sanctioned. Will Amanda and/or the FSF be willing to take all responsibility for a rule change when something goes wrong? I really don’t think that’s the case. When you have as in this case the away team scoring a goal and running over to their own fans, a small proportion of whom make an incursion on to the track in celebratory mode I think it’s immediately obvious what’s going on. But in any case I’m not saying that no action should be taken. We have videos of sensible controlled stewarding restoring order quickly. What we had here was aggressive stewarding and arresting fans who clearly had no violent intent. Good Stewarding should aim to isolate any idiots who do what the Grealish guy did or similar, not anger other fans by a disproportionate response to goal celebrations |
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Post by felonious on Mar 23, 2019 7:02:43 GMT
The problem is Malcolm that you're proposing a grey area in what seems currently to be a fairly black and white rule. Stewards will have a split second to make the decision on pitch/ perimeter incursions and as soon as they get one of those decisions wrong they and the club will be sanctioned. Will Amanda and/or the FSF be willing to take all responsibility for a rule change when something goes wrong? I really don’t think that’s the case. When you have as in this case the away team scoring a goal and running over to their own fans, a small proportion of whom make an incursion on to the track in celebratory mode I think it’s immediately obvious what’s going on. But in any case I’m not saying that no action should be taken. We have videos of sensible controlled stewarding restoring order quickly. What we had here was aggressive stewarding and arresting fans who clearly had no violent intent. Good Stewarding should aim to isolate any idiots who do what the Grealish guy did or similar, not anger other fans by a disproportionate response to goal celebrations I think we're going to have to disagree on this one Malcolm. What your colleague did was muddy the waters. There is a set of rules out there whereby fans know they can't go on the pitch under any circumstances and it's there for good reasons. What your suggesting puts stewards under pressure to make split second decisions which impacts on both them and the clubs they work for who are responsible for crowd control and sanctioned when it goes wrong.
Who knows how a pissed up or sober and exuberant fan will react when confronted by a steward. It's a good rule because every fan knows where they stand. Has Amanda thought this one through?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Mar 23, 2019 8:32:58 GMT
I really don’t think that’s the case. When you have as in this case the away team scoring a goal and running over to their own fans, a small proportion of whom make an incursion on to the track in celebratory mode I think it’s immediately obvious what’s going on. But in any case I’m not saying that no action should be taken. We have videos of sensible controlled stewarding restoring order quickly. What we had here was aggressive stewarding and arresting fans who clearly had no violent intent. Good Stewarding should aim to isolate any idiots who do what the Grealish guy did or similar, not anger other fans by a disproportionate response to goal celebrations I think we're going to have to disagree on this one Malcolm. What your colleague did was muddy the waters. There is a set of rules out there whereby fans know they can't go on the pitch under any circumstances and it's there for good reasons. What your suggesting puts stewards under pressure to make split second decisions which impacts on both them and the clubs they work for who are responsible for crowd control and sanctioned when it goes wrong.
Who knows how a pissed up or sober and exuberant fan will react when confronted by a steward. It's a good rule because every fan knows where they stand. Has Amanda thought this one through?
The issue is not about whether fans should cross the fence ( on which there is no disagreement) or about whether the stewards should take action if they do ( on which there is no disagreement) but the nature of that action and its consequences. Amanda has years of experience dealing with football policing and stewarding issues and is sometimes used by the police on training programmes. Not all clubs and police would have acted in the same way, hence the videos of alternative approaches I mentioned |
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