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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Mar 17, 2019 16:57:26 GMT
I'm more than happy to meet up for a pint at the last home game of next season to discuss this statement. Yes Nathan  |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Mar 17, 2019 16:59:51 GMT
I'm more than happy to meet up for a pint at the last home game of next season to discuss this statement. threatening? How is offering to buy you a pint and have a discussions threatening? |
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Post by stokefan1972 on Mar 17, 2019 17:00:16 GMT
How is offering to buy you a pint and have a discussions threatening? that's a cover up |
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Post by stokefan1972 on Mar 17, 2019 17:01:16 GMT
Stick with Nathan give him a chance
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Mar 17, 2019 17:01:30 GMT
How is offering to buy you a pint and have a discussions threatening? that's a cover up Fuck off dick! |
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Post by nott1 on Mar 17, 2019 17:01:45 GMT
How is offering to buy you a pint and have a discussions threatening? I drink Krug normally! |
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Post by stokefan1972 on Mar 17, 2019 17:02:01 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 17, 2019 17:14:16 GMT
He's not up to the job,it's obvious. He talks crap, picks bad teams, doesn't motivate, makes bad sub decisions, has no proper working system, disses players and his football is crap. Most of all though his decisions are not winning games. He will not get us out of this league unless we go down. He may turn out to be all of the above But at least he’s managed to figure out bojan’s a waste of space |
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 17, 2019 18:16:06 GMT
We heard it when he joined, it still applies. Maybe some people have forgotten but it's a long road ahead for a total rebuild. I'm not even sure you can count the window past so maybe it'll be fair to judge him in 18 months. Jones was not brought in to recycle this squad but to build a completely new one. It'll be fair to judge him when all the deadwood has left. I think he could get better out of what he's got. We've just had three years of dross, the prospect of another 18 months before we see anything decent doesn't fill me with enthusiasm. |
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Post by hooftastic on Mar 17, 2019 18:19:27 GMT
He's not up to the job,it's obvious. He talks crap, picks bad teams, doesn't motivate, makes bad sub decisions, has no proper working system, disses players and his football is crap. Most of all though his decisions are not winning games. He will not get us out of this league unless we go down. I'm more than happy to meet up for a pint at the last home game of next season to discuss this statement. If this thread starts a new romance then I'm really happy I started it. |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Mar 17, 2019 18:25:26 GMT
I'm more than happy to meet up for a pint at the last home game of next season to discuss this statement. If this thread starts a new romance then I'm really happy I started it. I love all stoke supporters, everyone knows that  |
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Post by hooftastic on Mar 17, 2019 18:27:33 GMT
We heard it when he joined, it still applies. Maybe some people have forgotten but it's a long road ahead for a total rebuild. I'm not even sure you can count the window past so maybe it'll be fair to judge him in 18 months. Jones was not brought in to recycle this squad but to build a completely new one. It'll be fair to judge him when all the deadwood has left. I think he could get better out of what he's got. We've just had three years of dross, the prospect of another 18 months before we see anything decent doesn't fill me with enthusiasm. It's the reality of the situation though isn't it? We've gaping holes in the squad and at least 8-9 players that will hamstring us for years to come. I appreciate that patience isn't something prevalent in our fanbase but I really think it could take until 2021. There is no point in continuing to sack managers. Jones isn't going to be sacked anyway, unless we look like getting relegated next season maybe(which will be pretty unlikely) so unity and stability is only going to help the cause. |
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Post by bloodtypered on Mar 17, 2019 18:30:53 GMT
Thats based on the recruitment team getting it right as well. Jones has said he wont sign anyone without seeing them at least 5 times (not to the media) |
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 17, 2019 18:43:43 GMT
I think he could get better out of what he's got. We've just had three years of dross, the prospect of another 18 months before we see anything decent doesn't fill me with enthusiasm. It's the reality of the situation though isn't it? We've gaping holes in the squad and at least 8-9 players that will hamstring us for years to come. I appreciate that patience isn't something prevalent in our fanbase but I really think it could take until 2021. There is no point in continuing to sack managers. Jones isn't going to be sacked anyway, unless we look like getting relegated next season maybe(which will be pretty unlikely) so unity and stability is only going to help the cause. I agree that he's not going to be sacked, nor should he be at present. But I think he could get more out of this squad now. He should find a system that suits the players he's got instead of trying to force square pegs into round holes - like BMI as a wing-back. And I've not a clue where Ince or McClean are supposed to be playing. Some on here criticise the players for not putting enough effort in. There are one or two you could point the finger at, but in my view most are putting the effort in. However they look as baffled by his formations as me. I think if he just played a 4-4-2 from now until the end of the season we'd see an improvement. |
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Mar 17, 2019 19:58:27 GMT
He's not up to the job,it's obvious. He talks crap, picks bad teams, doesn't motivate, makes bad sub decisions, has no proper working system, disses players and his football is crap. Most of all though his decisions are not winning games. He will not get us out of this league unless we go down. good try son SGS |
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Post by mrcholmondleywarner on Mar 17, 2019 20:17:41 GMT
Correct; it still applies.
There's so much fetid shite in our dressing room it would take Potteries Demolition ages to get rid, even if on time-and-a-half..
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 18, 2019 19:33:23 GMT
I totally back jones but we need some improvement, some wins, and some goals soon. The legacy of our decade in the top flight is being destroyed and we are alienating our supporters But I won't be judging jones until next season There is no legacy for our decade in the top flight. If anything we have a millstone from our time in the top flight in a squad full of disinterested or past it players and a bunch of fans who still think we're a Premiership club. The original plan was to give Rowett sufficient cash to use the "legacy" to engineer a quick return to the Premiership. When we gave up on Rowett we gave up on the "legacy" - the new plan is to gut the squad and rebuild a functional Championship side from scratch. The fans who are struggling with our situation are those who still think we're a Premiership club. We aren't - those ten years in the Premiership may well have not happened. The positives about this are that we're trying to do in 1 or 2 seasons what a lot of relegated clubs do in 3 or 4 seasons. Last year's promoted clubs are a case in point - Wolves (5 years - including a year in League 1), Cardiff (4 years) and Fulham (4 years) are all ex-Premiership clubs who had to re-establish themselves as Championship clubs before getting promoted, By accepting the reality of our situation earlier than most we may well be positioning ourselves for an earlier return. As to alienating our supporters - we're alienating our Premiership supporters. We'll end up with a smaller core of Stoke City supporters. The Premiership supporters will be back when the supporters prepared to back the club through the hard times have done their job and helped get Stoke City promoted. |
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Post by LankyPotter on Mar 18, 2019 19:41:00 GMT
He's not up to the job,it's obvious. He talks crap, picks bad teams, doesn't motivate, makes bad sub decisions, has no proper working system, disses players and his football is crap. Most of all though his decisions are not winning games. He will not get us out of this league unless we go down. Who would you have then boss? |
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Post by Goonie on Mar 18, 2019 20:31:55 GMT
Thats based on the recruitment team getting it right as well. 'the recruitment team' The first people that should be recycled |
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 18, 2019 22:10:51 GMT
We heard it when he joined, it still applies. Maybe some people have forgotten but it's a long road ahead for a total rebuild. I'm not even sure you can count the window past so maybe it'll be fair to judge him in 18 months. Jones was not brought in to recycle this squad but to build a completely new one. It'll be fair to judge him when all the deadwood has left. I agree that he needs time, but so did his predecessor. Not sure why we have all become so patient with a man that struggles to field a team that can score a goal, who's stats are appalling and not just the 12pts in 13 games, but all the other stats that go with the game. He looks out of his depth at the moment and he is a big risk if we decide to keep him. Not saying we shouldn't keep him, but he is a big risk either way you look at it. If he averages the same amount as points next year as he is doing now we will finish on 42pts next season, which would almost certainly mean relegation It is, however, a bit hypocritical that we readily condemned a man and wanted him out after half a season and 1 window when he managed to get 35pts from his 25 games in charge - when the new man is averaging less than a point a game at the moment. The rhetoric by all the masses that wanted Rowett out was that he should have been doing miles better with the players at hand, so why those masses are not judging NJ by the same standards is a bit baffling and now we should only judge our new manager when all the deadwood has gone  - that was always going to take a very long time |
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Post by hooftastic on Mar 18, 2019 22:47:45 GMT
We heard it when he joined, it still applies. Maybe some people have forgotten but it's a long road ahead for a total rebuild. I'm not even sure you can count the window past so maybe it'll be fair to judge him in 18 months. Jones was not brought in to recycle this squad but to build a completely new one. It'll be fair to judge him when all the deadwood has left. I agree that he needs time, but so did his predecessor. Not sure why we have all become so patient with a man that struggles to field a team that can score a goal, who's stats are appalling and not just the 12pts in 13 games, but all the other stats that go with the game. He looks out of his depth at the moment and he is a big risk if we decide to keep him. Not saying we shouldn't keep him, but he is a big risk either way you look at it. If he averages the same amount as points next year as he is doing now we will finish on 42pts next season, which would almost certainly mean relegation It is, however, a bit hypocritical that we readily condemned a man and wanted him out after half a season and 1 window when he managed to get 35pts from his 25 games in charge - when the new man is averaging less than a point a game at the moment. The rhetoric by all the masses that wanted Rowett out was that he should have been doing miles better with the players at hand, so why those masses are not judging NJ by the same standards is a bit baffling and now we should only judge our new manager when all the deadwood has gone - that was always going to take a very long time Rowetts task was to get a tune out of the current squad whilst also adding to it. He did neither of those things (except maybe Ince for a time). Rowett also turned on the fans. Jones has been handed this squad with a few weeks of a window left. Has a prior record of a total rebuild/project from the ground up. Has clearly been brought in with the long term in mind. |
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 19, 2019 0:26:29 GMT
I agree that he needs time, but so did his predecessor. Not sure why we have all become so patient with a man that struggles to field a team that can score a goal, who's stats are appalling and not just the 12pts in 13 games, but all the other stats that go with the game. He looks out of his depth at the moment and he is a big risk if we decide to keep him. Not saying we shouldn't keep him, but he is a big risk either way you look at it. If he averages the same amount as points next year as he is doing now we will finish on 42pts next season, which would almost certainly mean relegation It is, however, a bit hypocritical that we readily condemned a man and wanted him out after half a season and 1 window when he managed to get 35pts from his 25 games in charge - when the new man is averaging less than a point a game at the moment. The rhetoric by all the masses that wanted Rowett out was that he should have been doing miles better with the players at hand, so why those masses are not judging NJ by the same standards is a bit baffling and now we should only judge our new manager when all the deadwood has gone - that was always going to take a very long time Rowetts task was to get a tune out of the current squad whilst also adding to it. He did neither of those things (except maybe Ince for a time). Rowett also turned on the fans. Jones has been handed this squad with a few weeks of a window left. Has a prior record of a total rebuild/project from the ground up.
Has clearly been brought in with the long term in mind.This article would strongly suggest his planning is well under way: www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-jones-edwards-bauer-2658327There are clear markers in the sand and he has clear ideas on exactly what he wants to do, e.g. Quote: "Jones, a self-confessed stickler for detail and structure, says he has already mapped out every single day of pre-season training during July and August ahead of the 2019/20 campaign."
“We know exactly when we are going to come back and what we will do on that day,” said Jones, “leading right through to day 42, which is the pre-season."The down side of a manager going public with his intentions is he may lose some of the players who decide there is no future for them under Jones and they stop trying. It's just possible therefore that results may get worse till Jones gets the players he wants to match his plans. I am all the more convinced we have to back Jones and be patient. Edwards progress and Verlinden's debut must have given the academy players a real fillip. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 19, 2019 7:42:39 GMT
I totally back jones but we need some improvement, some wins, and some goals soon. The legacy of our decade in the top flight is being destroyed and we are alienating our supporters But I won't be judging jones until next season There is no legacy for our decade in the top flight. If anything we have a millstone from our time in the top flight in a squad full of disinterested or past it players and a bunch of fans who still think we're a Premiership club. The original plan was to give Rowett sufficient cash to use the "legacy" to engineer a quick return to the Premiership. When we gave up on Rowett we gave up on the "legacy" - the new plan is to gut the squad and rebuild a functional Championship side from scratch. The fans who are struggling with our situation are those who still think we're a Premiership club. We aren't - those ten years in the Premiership may well have not happened. The positives about this are that we're trying to do in 1 or 2 seasons what a lot of relegated clubs do in 3 or 4 seasons. Last year's promoted clubs are a case in point - Wolves (5 years - including a year in League 1), Cardiff (4 years) and Fulham (4 years) are all ex-Premiership clubs who had to re-establish themselves as Championship clubs before getting promoted, By accepting the reality of our situation earlier than most we may well be positioning ourselves for an earlier return. As to alienating our supporters - we're alienating our Premiership supporters. We'll end up with a smaller core of Stoke City supporters. The Premiership supporters will be back when the supporters prepared to back the club through the hard times have done their job and helped get Stoke City promoted. The legacy is that despite how shit we are this season we are getting 25k plus attendances. Also, the club has put in more money than any other relegated club in recent memory, and cannot be compared to those other clubs you mentioned. The owners clearly are intent on returning quickly. More nonsense from you as usual |
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 19, 2019 23:14:48 GMT
I agree that he needs time, but so did his predecessor. Not sure why we have all become so patient with a man that struggles to field a team that can score a goal, who's stats are appalling and not just the 12pts in 13 games, but all the other stats that go with the game. He looks out of his depth at the moment and he is a big risk if we decide to keep him. Not saying we shouldn't keep him, but he is a big risk either way you look at it. If he averages the same amount as points next year as he is doing now we will finish on 42pts next season, which would almost certainly mean relegation It is, however, a bit hypocritical that we readily condemned a man and wanted him out after half a season and 1 window when he managed to get 35pts from his 25 games in charge - when the new man is averaging less than a point a game at the moment. The rhetoric by all the masses that wanted Rowett out was that he should have been doing miles better with the players at hand, so why those masses are not judging NJ by the same standards is a bit baffling and now we should only judge our new manager when all the deadwood has gone - that was always going to take a very long time Rowetts task was to get a tune out of the current squad whilst also adding to it. He did neither of those things (except maybe Ince for a time). Rowett also turned on the fans. Jones has been handed this squad with a few weeks of a window left. Has a prior record of a total rebuild/project from the ground up. Has clearly been brought in with the long term in mind. Rowett quite possibly turned on everybody who did not play to his tune, including the wretched backroom staff and transfer team - which is exactly what we needed as a club, some bugger to stand up to them. Nobody was going to get a tune out that squad, it was fecking awful, full of players with woeful attitudes, crocked, past their sell by date or all 3. As for adding to the squad the transfer team failed on a lot of his targets and it was only 1 window. That said the few keepers we have for next season will be mainly his signings. Not saying they were all brilliant, but he/they added a bit of steel to the team which was needed to stop us dropping straight through to tier 3, which we could have done with the wrong manager in charge(and possibly if we would have had Jones from the start). Keeping NJ is a massive risk on current form. He is out of his depth at the moment and struggling at this standard. He may end up as the new Edie Howe in time, but he also may not. He certainly works his nads off and is a likeable guy who fans, on the whole, have warmed to and he also looks like he is up for the cause and very passionate, but you have to wonder why the backroom team could not get rid of Rowett quick enough for apparently underperforming while they seem quite content to give this man time and are preaching to all it is now a long term project For me the defensive dealings in the window were enough to want rid, as in 2 defenders out(including our only left-back) and only 1 in. That reeked of Hughes type dealings and utter cluelessness - or was it the cluless backroom team doing the dealings for him. Either way to cut down on a threadbare defence lacking little quality or strength in depth was totally bizarre, but hopefully just naive. |
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Post by adi on Mar 20, 2019 12:51:36 GMT
He's not up to the job,it's obvious. He talks crap, picks bad teams, doesn't motivate, makes bad sub decisions, has no proper working system, disses players and his football is crap. Most of all though his decisions are not winning games. He will not get us out of this league unless we go down. Who would you have then boss? I’m intrigued too actually. |
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