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Post by crapslinger on Mar 19, 2019 17:23:04 GMT
Fair enough Rob but from my own personal experience the majority dunna like him at all. His demeanour doesn’t help him at times that’s for sure but my own opinion is Tom Ince plays for Tom Ince I don’t quite get the stuff about his demeanour. It’s uncomfortably close to some of the shit that gets thrown at Raheem Sterling for me, what does it mean exactly? Is it because he doesn’t clap his hands or pump his fists to the crowd or something? I think he actually has a lack of confidence, not an over abundance of it. The difference is Sterling is a class player he gets stick because he tends to cheat, Ince gets stick because by and large he is a poor player who hides in games.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 19, 2019 17:26:47 GMT
I don’t quite get the stuff about his demeanour. It’s uncomfortably close to some of the shit that gets thrown at Raheem Sterling for me, what does it mean exactly? Is it because he doesn’t clap his hands or pump his fists to the crowd or something? I think he actually has a lack of confidence, not an over abundance of it. The difference is Sterling is a class player he gets stick because he tends to cheat, Ince gets stick because by and large he is a poor player who hides in games. The criticism of both frequently goes beyond football stuff though doesn't it? Especially this shit about body language and aloofness and all that dog toss.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 19, 2019 18:51:58 GMT
The difference is Sterling is a class player he gets stick because he tends to cheat, Ince gets stick because by and large he is a poor player who hides in games. The criticism of both frequently goes beyond football stuff though doesn't it? Especially this shit about body language and aloofness and all that dog toss. It may be his personality type but he doesn’t look happy to be here to me (yes I appreciate that’s a subjective assessment). If he was pulling up trees he could be as aloof as he likes but I suppose it’s something that people latch onto to explain/rationalize his poor performances. I like to see players have more of an overt emotional investment in the Club.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 19, 2019 19:09:43 GMT
The criticism of both frequently goes beyond football stuff though doesn't it? Especially this shit about body language and aloofness and all that dog toss. It may be his personality type but he doesn’t look happy to be here to me (yes I appreciate that’s a subjective assessment). If he was pulling up trees he could be as aloof as he likes but I suppose it’s something that people latch onto to explain/rationalize his poor performances. I like to see players have more of an overt emotional investment in the Club. Badge-kissing, in other words? Nzonzi was outstanding but he still got the same bollocks on here because he didn’t skip onto the pitch singing We’ll Be With You. It’s a job to them. They can smile and wave and pump their fists all they want, the second they get a better offer they’re out the door.
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Post by ursemboys on Mar 19, 2019 19:13:38 GMT
You seriously recon we have had a crap season because of MCCLEAN lol yep - the supply from both wings has been nothing short of atrocious, hence the ridiculously low figure in the goals scored column (only in my opinion of course) There stats stand up agains the midfield mate ,bit unfair to just blame the wingers for a shit season ,think there are quite a few issues with this team at the minute . PLAYED. GOALS. ASSISTS Total / Average 36 6 5 INCE Total / Average 39 2 6 MCCLEAN Total / Average 42 6 5. Allan Total / Average 37. 1 0. Etobo
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 19, 2019 19:13:53 GMT
It may be his personality type but he doesn’t look happy to be here to me (yes I appreciate that’s a subjective assessment). If he was pulling up trees he could be as aloof as he likes but I suppose it’s something that people latch onto to explain/rationalize his poor performances. I like to see players have more of an overt emotional investment in the Club. Badge-kissing, in other words? Nzonzi was outstanding but he still got the same bollocks on here because he didn’t skip onto the pitch singing We’ll Be With You. It’s a job to them. They can smile and wave and pump their fists all they want, the second they get a better offer they’re out the door. Hopefully he will get a better offer in the summer
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 19, 2019 19:24:51 GMT
It may be his personality type but he doesn’t look happy to be here to me (yes I appreciate that’s a subjective assessment). If he was pulling up trees he could be as aloof as he likes but I suppose it’s something that people latch onto to explain/rationalize his poor performances. I like to see players have more of an overt emotional investment in the Club. Badge-kissing, in other words? Nzonzi was outstanding but he still got the same bollocks on here because he didn’t skip onto the pitch singing We’ll Be With You. It’s a job to them. They can smile and wave and pump their fists all they want, the second they get a better offer they’re out the door. Not necessarily badge kissing, no. The majority are mercenaries but get on with it and give the perception that they are happy with their lot. Ince and Afobe to a lesser extent give the impression that they actually would rather be somewhere else. Don’t you think that that demeanor at the very least lends itself as a rod for some fans to beat them with?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 19, 2019 20:21:46 GMT
Badge-kissing, in other words? Nzonzi was outstanding but he still got the same bollocks on here because he didn’t skip onto the pitch singing We’ll Be With You. It’s a job to them. They can smile and wave and pump their fists all they want, the second they get a better offer they’re out the door. Not necessarily badge kissing, no. The majority are mercenaries but get on with it and give the perception that they are happy with their lot. Ince and Afobe to a lesser extent give the impression that they actually would rather be somewhere else. Don’t you think that that demeanor at the very least lends itself as a rod for some fans to beat them with? Only in the same way that managers who don't kick every ball on the touchline get stick from fans - it's a comfort blanket for them but ultimately meaningless. 'Pashun' is continually overrated and diagnosed as the key to everything.
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Post by ballboytoday on Mar 19, 2019 20:55:58 GMT
It’s often quoted how many clubs he’s had before we signed him and used as a stick to beat him with, yet they never mention how many clubs Crouch had prior to joining us Strange that The one major difference with that though mate is every set of fans won’t have a bad word to say about Crouch(rightly so imo) whereas the show pony that is Ince is I would assume not liked by any fans of his previous clubs with the exception of Blackpool I’d imagine Also crouch was 31 when he joined stoke, Ince was 26 and still had more clubs then crouch in comparision at that early age. Like it as been mentioned Crouch was a success at most of the clubs he as played unlike Ince. So you are wrong to compare the 2!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 19, 2019 21:09:27 GMT
It may be his personality type but he doesn’t look happy to be here to me (yes I appreciate that’s a subjective assessment). If he was pulling up trees he could be as aloof as he likes but I suppose it’s something that people latch onto to explain/rationalize his poor performances. I like to see players have more of an overt emotional investment in the Club. Badge-kissing, in other words? Nzonzi was outstanding but he still got the same bollocks on here because he didn’t skip onto the pitch singing We’ll Be With You. It’s a job to them. They can smile and wave and pump their fists all they want, the second they get a better offer they’re out the door. Cynic.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 19, 2019 21:37:22 GMT
Not necessarily badge kissing, no. The majority are mercenaries but get on with it and give the perception that they are happy with their lot. Ince and Afobe to a lesser extent give the impression that they actually would rather be somewhere else. Don’t you think that that demeanor at the very least lends itself as a rod for some fans to beat them with? Only in the same way that managers who don't kick every ball on the touchline get stick from fans - it's a comfort blanket for them but ultimately meaningless. 'Pashun' is continually overrated and diagnosed as the key to everything. I’m diverging somewhat but I’m not sure I can agree on the passion bit, every high performance team/unit needs to have an element of “passion” to perform at their best. You can have the most talented and expert team in place but if they don’t have an element of “passion” (self pride, call it what you will) then in my experience they will not perform to their potential.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 19, 2019 21:54:51 GMT
Only in the same way that managers who don't kick every ball on the touchline get stick from fans - it's a comfort blanket for them but ultimately meaningless. 'Pashun' is continually overrated and diagnosed as the key to everything. I’m diverging somewhat but I’m not sure I can agree on the passion bit, every high performance team/unit needs to have an element of “passion” to perform at their best. You can have the most talented and expert team in place but if they don’t have an element of “passion” (self pride, call it what you will) then in my experience they will not perform to their potential. Equally, you can thump your chest and clap your hands and clatter into tackles as much as you want, but without quality or some degree of nous or guile, you'll only get so far.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 19, 2019 21:56:40 GMT
I’m diverging somewhat but I’m not sure I can agree on the passion bit, every high performance team/unit needs to have an element of “passion” to perform at their best. You can have the most talented and expert team in place but if they don’t have an element of “passion” (self pride, call it what you will) then in my experience they will not perform to their potential. Equally, you can thump your chest and clap your hands and clatter into tackles as much as you want, but without quality or some degree of nous or guile, you'll only get so far. Absolutely
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Post by kelw on Mar 19, 2019 23:49:56 GMT
The one major difference with that though mate is every set of fans won’t have a bad word to say about Crouch(rightly so imo) whereas the show pony that is Ince is I would assume not liked by any fans of his previous clubs with the exception of Blackpool I’d imagine Also crouch was 31 when he joined stoke, Ince was 26 and still had more clubs then crouch in comparision at that early age. Like it as been mentioned Crouch was a success at most of the clubs he as played unlike Ince. So you are wrong to compare the 2! Ince has a decent record, Huddersfield the exception but they tend to score a goal every 3rd full moon in August A goal every 4 games not a bad return
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 1:50:44 GMT
Hes a joke.
During the derby game there was a player forget who wanted play the ball down the wing.
Ince was corner of the box hiding behind the defender so he couldn't recieve the ball.
I honestly dont think I've seen a forward try not to recieve the ball and so obviously.
Diouf ran from the centre past Tom ince to try and get the ball down the wing.
Was embarrassing....obviously not for Tom.
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Post by questionable on Mar 20, 2019 6:52:48 GMT
Yet again comes down to yet more BS/Poor scouting as apparently we watch players at least 25 times (over about 3 clubs with Ince, must have been a nightmare tracking him down) Surely 8 clubs tells you a story bit like buying a car with 8 previous owners as you wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole.
All in all pretty much sums the club up.
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Post by clarkeda on Mar 20, 2019 8:03:59 GMT
Remember going to see Blackpool / Palace in the C'ship (whenever that was now) and it was rumoured that we were sniffing around Ince as a rising star (& before he and his dad did their disgusting whore tour of GB round interested clubs).
Anyway, if I was scouting, he would have got a 3 even then (& he was supposedly ripping it up there too) and quite frankly displayed all the traits we now see and accuse him of even then.
(And even then, you could have given him the benefit by virtue of him being so much younger and still learning.)
I'd have signed Matt Phillips that day on the other hand, looked twice / three times the player.
Long story short: he hasn't changed one bit and it was a really bad day we signed him, especially for 12 large.
What’s happened to Matt Phillips? A name I haven’t heard in a while.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 20, 2019 9:42:00 GMT
38 games played and the players that couldn't penetrate a wet paper bag are calling for... patience.
That's lovely, tom
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 20, 2019 9:47:24 GMT
38 games played and the players that couldn't penetrate a wet paper bag are calling for... patience. That's lovely, tom Maybe he's just 'disheartened' like your mate Afobe?
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Post by mickey4137 on Mar 20, 2019 9:52:04 GMT
Why are people so quick to jump on the backs of all our players? (Except Bojan, the man who can do no wrong). Remember the last two goals that we scored, where Ince got both assists?
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Post by ursemboys on Mar 20, 2019 9:56:44 GMT
Why are people so quick to jump on the backs of all our players? (Except Bojan, the man who can do no wrong). Remember the last two goals that we scored, where Ince got both assists? Because its the Stoke way ,plus Bojan has a spell on most people ,he manages to make them forget the last few years All hail Bojan
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 20, 2019 9:58:15 GMT
38 games played and the players that couldn't penetrate a wet paper bag are calling for... patience. That's lovely, tom Maybe he's just 'disheartened' like your mate Afobe? If Tom & his chums were doing their job then afobe would be doing his.. He is this "spark" he's talking of
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 20, 2019 10:00:25 GMT
Maybe he's just 'disheartened' like your mate Afobe? If Tom & his chums were doing their job then afobe would be doing his.. He is this "spark" he's talking of Maybe Benik could make the odd run and give them an option rather than standing around with his thumb up his arse?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 20, 2019 10:02:23 GMT
If Tom & his chums were doing their job then afobe would be doing his.. He is this "spark" he's talking of Maybe Benik could make the odd run and give them an option rather than standing around with his thumb up his arse? He's probably standing in awe of the ability of our creative force's agility when performing acrobatics instead of what he's supposed to be doing
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Post by Robo10 on Mar 20, 2019 10:06:00 GMT
Why are people so quick to jump on the backs of all our players? (Except Bojan, the man who can do no wrong). Remember the last two goals that we scored, where Ince got both assists? I'm struggling to be honest, it was so long ago that we last scored. Or had a shot on target.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 20, 2019 10:07:35 GMT
Maybe Benik could make the odd run and give them an option rather than standing around with his thumb up his arse? He's probably standing in awe of the ability of our creative force's agility when performing acrobatics instead of what he's supposed to be doing Brilliant. Well worth £13m that.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 20, 2019 10:10:23 GMT
He's probably standing in awe of the ability of our creative force's agility when performing acrobatics instead of what he's supposed to be doing Brilliant. Well worth £13m that. Maybe he should run for the sake of it then. Benik is a goalscorer, give him chances and he will score. What is ince? What is Allen? What is etebo? What is JM? Here lies the problem
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 20, 2019 10:14:38 GMT
38 games played and the players that couldn't penetrate a wet paper bag are calling for... patience. That's lovely, tom You can expect to receive legal correspondence from “theonlooker”, as he’s trademarked the “That’s lovely...” tagline 🤣
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2019 10:18:16 GMT
38 games played and the players that couldn't penetrate a wet paper bag are calling for... patience. That's lovely, tom You can expect to receive legal correspondence from “theonlooket”, as he’s trademarked the “That’s lovely...” tagline 🤣 The missus doesn't post on here...
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