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Tom Ince
Mar 19, 2019 10:32:36 GMT
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 19, 2019 10:32:36 GMT
Can't say (apart from the odd flash of....erm, good (won't say brilliance) here and there) that I've been impressed by him at ALL this season!!!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 19, 2019 10:37:03 GMT
Alternatively, he’s the reason we’re not in a bona fide relegation battle... Really? Not quite sure how you work that one out. I would say we are not in a relegation fight is mainly down to ultra defensive displays by Jones and Rowett and jack Butland. As for Ince McClean and Afobe. How on earth did Rowett come to the conclusion that these 3 were his chosen front 3 in a 4-3-3 system. It's a combination from hell. Afobe....wrong type of player for a 4-3-3 Ince.....Much too inconsistent and goes missing McClean..Just a head down run and cross player of which there are dozens in Lge 1 and 2 who would cost next to nothing. Sadly the manager seems to like Ince and McClean so they will be part of Jones's not so new revolution next season. Take away the 12 goals he’s either scored or assisted and see where we’d be? They account for almost a third of our goals scored. Rowett’s negativity is a reason why we’re in the shit at all, not what’s keeping us further out of it. Under Rowett he shouldered the entire creative burden of the team because everyone else was some form of scrapper or fire fighter. He’s hit and miss and goes missing far too often but on form he’s an important player for us and overall has been one of our better performers this season.
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Post by werrington on Mar 19, 2019 11:26:05 GMT
Along with James Mclean, he`s the main reason why we have had such a poor season in my opinion ...... ideally both need to be shipped out somehow in the summer or another season of mediocrity beckons. Alternatively, he’s the reason we’re not in a bona fide relegation battle... Along with Butland mate ....yeah he’s been poor of late but some see it some choose not too Rob How him or Butland warrant the shit that’s often thrown their way is mind blowing
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Post by ursemboys on Mar 19, 2019 11:28:34 GMT
Alternatively, he’s the reason we’re not in a bona fide relegation battle... Really? Not quite sure how you work that one out. I would say we are not in a relegation fight is mainly down to ultra defensive displays by Jones and Rowett and jack Butland. As for Ince McClean and Afobe. How on earth did Rowett come to the conclusion that these 3 were his chosen front 3 in a 4-3-3 system. It's a combination from hell. Afobe....wrong type of player for a 4-3-3 Ince.....Much too inconsistent and goes missing McClean..Just a head down run and cross player of which there are dozens in Lge 1 and 2 who would cost next to nothing. Sadly the manager seems to like Ince and McClean so they will be part of Jones's not so new revolution next season. Just wonder if all us keyboard managers are missing something ,our current and previous Manager see something in both these players ,i agree Ince has been poor and i cannot lie but i do like Mcclean ,but they both get picked each week ,Mcclean has also been picked for his country so perhaps they see something we don't see on the training pitch .
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 19, 2019 11:28:41 GMT
Alternatively, he’s the reason we’re not in a bona fide relegation battle... Along with Butland mate ....yeah he’s been poor of late but some see it some choose not too Rob How him or Butland warrant the shit that’s often thrown their way is mind blowing Minds were made up before we signed him in some cases Wez.
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Tom Ince
Mar 19, 2019 11:32:53 GMT
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Post by werrington on Mar 19, 2019 11:32:53 GMT
Along with Butland mate ....yeah he’s been poor of late but some see it some choose not too Rob How him or Butland warrant the shit that’s often thrown their way is mind blowing Minds were made up before we signed him in some cases Wez. It’s often quoted how many clubs he’s had before we signed him and used as a stick to beat him with, yet they never mention how many clubs Crouch had prior to joining us Strange that
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Post by ursemboys on Mar 19, 2019 11:37:46 GMT
Minds were made up before we signed him in some cases Wez. It’s often quoted how many clubs he’s had before we signed him and used as a stick to beat him with, yet they never mention how many clubs Crouch had prior to joining us Strange that You know what i never thought of that,shows what we know ,we just choice a reason to dislike a player and then beat him with it ,bit like how everyone loved Greenhoff but hated Moores .
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Post by Roy Cropper on Mar 19, 2019 12:54:09 GMT
He hasn't lived up to his price tag at all - showed promise for a couple of months earlier in the season but he's been awful since Jones came in bar the last 20 minutes against Forest. I don't know whether he's lazy or just a complete ball watcher but he's part of the problem in attack without a doubt.
He can't take a man on, has no pace and he's a poor finisher.
I've lost count of the times Allen intercepts a pass, puts it through to Ince running at the defence with two strikers in front of him and he just runs into the CB. Decision making and final ball is shite.
It would be a big help if he could prove me wrong.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 19, 2019 13:00:28 GMT
Minds were made up before we signed him in some cases Wez. It’s often quoted how many clubs he’s had before we signed him and used as a stick to beat him with, yet they never mention how many clubs Crouch had prior to joining us Strange that Any comparison to Crouch is laughable. Ince is a show pony and not nearly as good as he thinks he is, even in this hell hole division. £12million ffs.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 19, 2019 14:39:58 GMT
Minds were made up before we signed him in some cases Wez. It’s often quoted how many clubs he’s had before we signed him and used as a stick to beat him with, yet they never mention how many clubs Crouch had prior to joining us Strange that The one major difference with that though mate is every set of fans won’t have a bad word to say about Crouch(rightly so imo) whereas the show pony that is Ince is I would assume not liked by any fans of his previous clubs with the exception of Blackpool I’d imagine
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 19, 2019 14:48:34 GMT
Remember going to see Blackpool / Palace in the C'ship (whenever that was now) and it was rumoured that we were sniffing around Ince as a rising star (& before he and his dad did their disgusting whore tour of GB round interested clubs).
Anyway, if I was scouting, he would have got a 3 even then (& he was supposedly ripping it up there too) and quite frankly displayed all the traits we now see and accuse him of even then.
(And even then, you could have given him the benefit by virtue of him being so much younger and still learning.)
I'd have signed Matt Phillips that day on the other hand, looked twice / three times the player.
Long story short: he hasn't changed one bit and it was a really bad day we signed him, especially for 12 large.
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Post by thehoof on Mar 19, 2019 14:57:38 GMT
Minds were made up before we signed him in some cases Wez. It’s often quoted how many clubs he’s had before we signed him and used as a stick to beat him with, yet they never mention how many clubs Crouch had prior to joining us Strange that There are many arguments you could use to try and justify Tom Ince, but to try and say that because Peter Crouch has had several clubs then he must be of a similar ilk to Ince isn’t the best argument. One player has caps and a decent goal scoring record in the top division, has accumulated transfer fees in excess of £65m and is respected by fans where he has paid, the other is living of a good season in the championship over 30 months ago. Assists as a stat can be misleading- eg. Ince’s pass to Etebo against Forest, where Etebo runs 25 yards before burying the ball from 20 yards and the assist with Afobe’s 30 yard strike at Brentford. It still remains that he has the same number of goals as Joe Allen, and what- 5 assists more- and Allen has gathered more criticism and yet consistently performed better than Tom Ince.
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Post by westgatelakes on Mar 19, 2019 15:24:04 GMT
Along with James Mclean, he`s the main reason why we have had such a poor season in my opinion ...... ideally both need to be shipped out somehow in the summer or another season of mediocrity beckons. You seriously recon we have had a crap season because of MCCLEAN lol yep - the supply from both wings has been nothing short of atrocious, hence the ridiculously low figure in the goals scored column (only in my opinion of course)
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Tom Ince
Mar 19, 2019 15:26:42 GMT
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Post by wearepremierleague on Mar 19, 2019 15:26:42 GMT
Think the criticism of Ince is a bit unfair. For the first half of the season he was basically our only attacking threat. He’s tailed off a bit lately, but it seems like him , along with most of the squad and fans just can’t wait for the season to be over now
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Tom Ince
Mar 19, 2019 15:30:16 GMT
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 19, 2019 15:30:16 GMT
It isn't though is it, he's scored double figures in the champ more than once, its just the kind of player he is, I don't mind if he goes as we can better spend the money, but he's certainly good enough for this league. Whether you have a point or not.....he isn't looking championship standard at the mo, and hasn't for most of the season!!! And the problem with that is that he’s looked like the player most likely to score in most games
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 19, 2019 15:48:23 GMT
It’s often quoted how many clubs he’s had before we signed him and used as a stick to beat him with, yet they never mention how many clubs Crouch had prior to joining us Strange that There are many arguments you could use to try and justify Tom Ince, but to try and say that because Peter Crouch has had several clubs then he must be of a similar ilk to Ince isn’t the best argument. One player has caps and a decent goal scoring record in the top division, has accumulated transfer fees in excess of £65m and is respected by fans where he has paid, the other is living of a good season in the championship over 30 months ago. Assists as a stat can be misleading- eg. Ince’s pass to Etebo against Forest, where Etebo runs 25 yards before burying the ball from 20 yards and the assist with Afobe’s 30 yard strike at Brentford. It still remains that he has the same number of goals as Joe Allen, and what- 5 assists more- and Allen has gathered more criticism and yet consistently performed better than Tom Ince. ‘Allen has gathered more criticism’. No he hasn’t? He’s gathered some, not more. ‘Living off one good season’. No he isn’t. He was excellent for Blackpool and had two strong seasons for Derby. Plenty of the criticism coming his way is justified for his form since the managerial change but under Rowett he was carrying out creative threat. The whole ‘world tour’ thing with his dad is a big reason minds were made up about him.
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Tom Ince
Mar 19, 2019 16:08:25 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 19, 2019 16:08:25 GMT
There are many arguments you could use to try and justify Tom Ince, but to try and say that because Peter Crouch has had several clubs then he must be of a similar ilk to Ince isn’t the best argument. One player has caps and a decent goal scoring record in the top division, has accumulated transfer fees in excess of £65m and is respected by fans where he has paid, the other is living of a good season in the championship over 30 months ago. Assists as a stat can be misleading- eg. Ince’s pass to Etebo against Forest, where Etebo runs 25 yards before burying the ball from 20 yards and the assist with Afobe’s 30 yard strike at Brentford. It still remains that he has the same number of goals as Joe Allen, and what- 5 assists more- and Allen has gathered more criticism and yet consistently performed better than Tom Ince. ‘Allen has gathered more criticism’. No he hasn’t? He’s gathered some, not more. ‘Living off one good season’. No he isn’t. He was excellent for Blackpool and had two strong seasons for Derby. Plenty of the criticism coming his way is justified for his form since the managerial change but under Rowett he was carrying out creative threat. The whole ‘world tour’ thing with his dad is a big reason minds were made up about him. Rob the majority of Derby fans detest the bloke
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 19, 2019 16:13:58 GMT
I thought he was our best player under Rowett and by far and away our main attacking threat and I was desperate for him to come back after being injured and dropped but the last few games he’s been woeful. I didn’t have the best of streams for the Derby game but I’m fairly certain that he ‘shit out of one’ in the second half of that one.
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Tom Ince
Mar 19, 2019 16:21:38 GMT
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Post by werrington on Mar 19, 2019 16:21:38 GMT
‘Allen has gathered more criticism’. No he hasn’t? He’s gathered some, not more. ‘Living off one good season’. No he isn’t. He was excellent for Blackpool and had two strong seasons for Derby. Plenty of the criticism coming his way is justified for his form since the managerial change but under Rowett he was carrying out creative threat. The whole ‘world tour’ thing with his dad is a big reason minds were made up about him. Rob the majority of Derby fans detest the bloke The majority of Stoke fans detested Glenn Whelan mate
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Tom Ince
Mar 19, 2019 16:22:55 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 19, 2019 16:22:55 GMT
Rob the majority of Derby fans detest the bloke The majority of Stoke fans detested Glenn Whelan mate Really?Only the fuckin idiots 😄
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 19, 2019 16:23:24 GMT
‘Allen has gathered more criticism’. No he hasn’t? He’s gathered some, not more. ‘Living off one good season’. No he isn’t. He was excellent for Blackpool and had two strong seasons for Derby. Plenty of the criticism coming his way is justified for his form since the managerial change but under Rowett he was carrying out creative threat. The whole ‘world tour’ thing with his dad is a big reason minds were made up about him. Rob the majority of Derby fans detest the bloke Not convinced it’s a majority mate. I know you’re based that way but I was researching a piece on him for the fanzine at the weekend and based on their main forum he was divisive, just like he is here. Some acknowledged his importance while he was there, others thought he went missing sometimes, then there were the usual body language experts who thought he was arrogant because he didn’t smile often enough for their liking.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 19, 2019 16:24:00 GMT
I thought he was our best player under Rowett and by far and away our main attacking threat and I was desperate for him to come back after being injured and dropped but the last few games he’s been woeful. I didn’t have the best of streams for the Derby game but I’m fairly certain that he ‘shit out of one’ in the second half of that one. That’s how I see it too.
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Tom Ince
Mar 19, 2019 16:27:27 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 19, 2019 16:27:27 GMT
Rob the majority of Derby fans detest the bloke Not convinced it’s a majority mate. I know you’re based that way but I was researching a piece on him for the fanzine at the weekend and based on their main forum he was divisive, just like he is here. Some acknowledged his importance while he was there, others thought he went missing sometimes, then there were the usual body language experts who thought he was arrogant because he didn’t smile often enough for their liking. Fair enough Rob but from my own personal experience the majority dunna like him at all. His demeanour doesn’t help him at times that’s for sure but my own opinion is Tom Ince plays for Tom Ince
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Post by werrington on Mar 19, 2019 16:31:44 GMT
The majority of Stoke fans detested Glenn Whelan mate Really?Only the fuckin idiots 😄 Exactly
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 19, 2019 16:32:41 GMT
Whether you have a point or not.....he isn't looking championship standard at the mo, and hasn't for most of the season!!! And the problem with that is that he’s looked like the player most likely to score in most games Looked is one thing......HAS is another!!! At the moment, I think any one player who has at least one attempt at goal looks the most likely to score.....that's how few chances we're creating!!!
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Tom Ince
Mar 19, 2019 16:34:10 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 19, 2019 16:34:10 GMT
Really?Only the fuckin idiots 😄 Exactly One major difference mate for me Whelan was/is a team player
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 19, 2019 16:34:43 GMT
Not convinced it’s a majority mate. I know you’re based that way but I was researching a piece on him for the fanzine at the weekend and based on their main forum he was divisive, just like he is here. Some acknowledged his importance while he was there, others thought he went missing sometimes, then there were the usual body language experts who thought he was arrogant because he didn’t smile often enough for their liking. Fair enough Rob but from my own personal experience the majority dunna like him at all. His demeanour doesn’t help him at times that’s for sure but my own opinion is Tom Ince plays for Tom Ince I don’t quite get the stuff about his demeanour. It’s uncomfortably close to some of the shit that gets thrown at Raheem Sterling for me, what does it mean exactly? Is it because he doesn’t clap his hands or pump his fists to the crowd or something? I think he actually has a lack of confidence, not an over abundance of it.
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Tom Ince
Mar 19, 2019 16:37:39 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 19, 2019 16:37:39 GMT
Fair enough Rob but from my own personal experience the majority dunna like him at all. His demeanour doesn’t help him at times that’s for sure but my own opinion is Tom Ince plays for Tom Ince I don’t quite get the stuff about his demeanour. It’s uncomfortably close to some of the shit that gets thrown at Rajeev Sterling for me, what does it mean exactly? Is it because he doesn’t clap his hands or pump his fists to the crowd or something? I think he actually has a lack of confidence, not an over abundance of it. Next you’ll be telling me a manager doesn’t need to show passion on the touchline 😂😂
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 19, 2019 17:08:58 GMT
I don’t quite get the stuff about his demeanour. It’s uncomfortably close to some of the shit that gets thrown at Rajeev Sterling for me, what does it mean exactly? Is it because he doesn’t clap his hands or pump his fists to the crowd or something? I think he actually has a lack of confidence, not an over abundance of it. Next you’ll be telling me a manager doesn’t need to show passion on the touchline 😂😂 Lambo had plenty mate
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Tom Ince
Mar 19, 2019 17:12:50 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 19, 2019 17:12:50 GMT
Next you’ll be telling me a manager doesn’t need to show passion on the touchline 😂😂 Lambo had plenty mate There’s always an exception to the rule mate😊
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