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Post by crapslinger on Mar 16, 2019 22:29:35 GMT
In what way did he prove it under Rowett? In which games did he take any team to the cleaners, score the winning goal ( I can think of Leeds at home). He’s had some decent games, but not one where he’s even come close to justifying his billing as a game changer. He’s performing like this week in week out- 15 minutes pretty good today, 20 minutes against Forest but for the rest of the time you don’t notice him. Scored the winning goal against Derby, kickstarted the comeback against Rotherham, scored the opener against Ipswich, scored the clinched against Bolton. He was pretty much our best outfield player under Rowett. So what's gone wrong ?
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Post by The man from Utch on Mar 16, 2019 22:29:57 GMT
Would start Maclean over him everyday of the week
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 16, 2019 22:31:12 GMT
Scored the winning goal against Derby, kickstarted the comeback against Rotherham, scored the opener against Ipswich, scored the clinched against Bolton. He was pretty much our best outfield player under Rowett. So what's gone wrong ? I think he’s a confidence player and he’s been a casualty of the change of manager. Hopefully he gets his mojo back and can be an important player for us as he has pedigree at this level.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 16, 2019 22:31:43 GMT
My mistake do you think the majority would agree with him ? No, but the use of the word “majority” just validates that’s it opinion and not a truth. Fine do you agree with him ?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 16, 2019 22:34:59 GMT
No, but the use of the word “majority” just validates that’s it opinion and not a truth. Fine do you agree with him ? No, Ince has been poor
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 16, 2019 22:37:27 GMT
Fine do you agree with him ? No, Ince has been poor So you are in the majority mate seems NJ is pretty much in a minority of quite possibly errrrrmmmm 1
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 16, 2019 22:40:12 GMT
So you are in the majority mate seems NJ is pretty much in a minority of quite possibly errrrrmmmm 1 There are a number of different reasons why he might be putting that slant on his presser, it’ll be next year before I judge the Nathan Jones package
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 22:42:26 GMT
Tom Ince isn't a shit footballer at this level. In fact he proved it earlier in the season, not as often as he should but he definitely performed better for us while Rowett was our manager. In what way did he prove it under Rowett? In which games did he take any team to the cleaners, score the winning goal ( I can think of Leeds at home). He’s had some decent games, but not one where he’s even come close to justifying his billing as a game changer. He’s performing like this week in week out- 15 minutes pretty good today, 20 minutes against Forest but for the rest of the time you don’t notice him. The Toxic Avenger has answered your question a lot better than i could have done. Ince is a top player at this level, as are Woods and Afobe so God only knows what the fuck is going on behind the scenes at our club.
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Post by conroyfan on Mar 16, 2019 22:52:33 GMT
I think he’s a confidence player and he’s been a casualty of the change of manager. Hopefully he gets his mojo back and can be an important player for us as he has pedigree at this level.
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Post by s7oke on Mar 16, 2019 23:07:18 GMT
I think he’s a fanny !!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 23:34:44 GMT
its suddenly come to me who Ince reminds me of with his white tights on,
Yes Mr Methane,
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Post by thehoof on Mar 17, 2019 12:00:00 GMT
In what way did he prove it under Rowett? In which games did he take any team to the cleaners, score the winning goal ( I can think of Leeds at home). He’s had some decent games, but not one where he’s even come close to justifying his billing as a game changer. He’s performing like this week in week out- 15 minutes pretty good today, 20 minutes against Forest but for the rest of the time you don’t notice him. The Toxic Avenger has answered your question a lot better than i could have done. Ince is a top player at this level, as are Woods and Afobe so God only knows what the fuck is going on behind the scenes at our club. Hang on- Joe Allen scored the winner against Swansea, got a last gasp equaliser against Sheffield Utd, settled the game against Leeds( not Ince which was my mistake) and has as many goals and much more influence on our games than Tom Ince- yet people would have you believe that Allen is the devil in disguise. Ince is not a top player at this level on the form he has displayed- the same people who point out that Bojan was good 3 years ago conveniently forget that Ince’s last good season anywhere was 3 years ago. As I pointed out- for our most expensive and supposedly creative player, I’d expect something a bit more exceptional than what Toxic provided- and Toxic was pointing out that under Rowett, Ince was our best player; even then he wasn’t digging up any trees ( my opinion- not Toxic’s).
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 17, 2019 12:08:44 GMT
The Toxic Avenger has answered your question a lot better than i could have done. Ince is a top player at this level, as are Woods and Afobe so God only knows what the fuck is going on behind the scenes at our club. Hang on- Joe Allen scored the winner against Swansea, got a last gasp equaliser against Sheffield Utd, settled the game against Leeds( not Ince which was my mistake) and has as many goals and much more influence on our games than Tom Ince- yet people would have you believe that Allen is the devil in disguise. Ince is not a top player at this level on the form he has displayed- the same people who point out that Bojan was good 3 years ago conveniently forget that Ince’s last good season anywhere was 3 years ago. As I pointed out- for our most expensive and supposedly creative player, I’d expect something a bit more exceptional than what Toxic provided- and Toxic was pointing out that under Rowett, Ince was our best player; even then he wasn’t digging up any trees ( my opinion- not Toxic’s). Hang on just a tick, you asked specifically which games he'd influenced and which winning goals he'd scored. I answered your question. Ince's last good season was the one before last.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 12:20:49 GMT
Best thing Jones can do is to come out and slate all of the players in public, hang them out to dry and really wreck the dressing room. That'd be great. Really great. Man alive it's no wonder football fans get a bad name. For the record, Jones spent a good 5 minutes at the end of the game having a right go at Afobe for not making enough runs in behind the full back. That's how much he rates some of our attacking options. The proof of the pudding will be in the summer. Let's see how many of them he keeps hold of. Let’s see how many of them he can get rid of, they are all contracted to the club and unless we find people willing to match their contract then they won’t be going anywhere. NJ needs to find a way to win matches with the current bunch, he’ll be able to do some transfers in the summer but he’s not going to be able to change the lot of em
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 17, 2019 12:38:28 GMT
Best thing Jones can do is to come out and slate all of the players in public, hang them out to dry and really wreck the dressing room. That'd be great. Really great. Man alive it's no wonder football fans get a bad name. For the record, Jones spent a good 5 minutes at the end of the game having a right go at Afobe for not making enough runs in behind the full back. That's how much he rates some of our attacking options. The proof of the pudding will be in the summer. Let's see how many of them he keeps hold of. Let’s see how many of them he can get rid of, they are all contracted to the club and unless we find people willing to match their contract then they won’t be going anywhere. NJ needs to find a way to win matches with the current bunch, he’ll be able to do some transfers in the summer but he’s not going to be able to change the lot of em All new managers whatever the profession have to deal with the team they inherit, the art of good management is to get the very best out of them, for me NJ is not doing that with a number of players.
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Post by cerebralstokie on Mar 17, 2019 12:47:26 GMT
Has the ability. Can't be arsed.
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Post by loosestools on Mar 17, 2019 16:34:29 GMT
its suddenly come to me who Ince reminds me of with his white tights on, Yes Mr Methane, Just watched that - pissed meself laughing.
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Post by neilb987 on Mar 17, 2019 16:37:06 GMT
Has the ability. Can't be arsed. Reminds me of Choupo-Moting in that respect ....!
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Mar 17, 2019 16:43:14 GMT
Has the ability. Can't be arsed. Nail on head.
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Post by clarkeda on Mar 17, 2019 16:52:37 GMT
Tom Ince isn't a shit footballer at this level. In fact he proved it earlier in the season, not as often as he should but he definitely performed better for us while Rowett was our manager. I wonder if the performance levels of Ince were the same, it’s just everyone else around him has got better and he hasn’t..
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Post by ballboytoday on Mar 17, 2019 19:26:44 GMT
never been consistent enough in his career. that's why he as has been to so many clubs. He will move on next season hopefully
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Post by Timmy on Mar 17, 2019 19:31:19 GMT
He seems to come alive when subs are getting ready to come on.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 17, 2019 19:42:12 GMT
He seems to come alive when subs are getting ready to come on. And this isn't a one off either
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Post by swampySCFC on Mar 17, 2019 21:58:21 GMT
Sorry we have had some good players at Stoke in recent years who cost jack shit. Recently we have paid well over the odds for Afobe, Ince, Volkes, McClean, Woods, Clucas all of whom are crap. Again what does Cartwright do
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Post by shakermaker on Mar 18, 2019 11:33:24 GMT
13/14 - Scored 7 goals and 50 key passes for a crap Blackpool team.
Then for Derby:
14/15 - Scored 11 goals and made 24 key passes in only 18 appearances 15/16 - Scored 12 goals and made a whopping 78 key passes 16/17 - Had his best scoring tally of his career to date with 14 goals and 70 key passes
The above record is why I was delighted we signed Tom in the summer. No-one can convince me this is a crap player. Yes he's been quite poor this season, but what are we doing wrong? What is it about our system, tactics or squad that isn't getting the best out of Tom that went so right for him at Derby? An on-fire Tom Ince is exactly what we need if we are to be promoted next season.
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Post by westgatelakes on Mar 19, 2019 8:26:08 GMT
Along with James Mclean, he`s the main reason why we have had such a poor season in my opinion ...... ideally both need to be shipped out somehow in the summer or another season of mediocrity beckons.
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Post by Timmy on Mar 19, 2019 9:14:13 GMT
Along with James Mclean, he`s the main reason why we have had such a poor season in my opinion ...... ideally both need to be shipped out somehow in the summer or another season of mediocrity beckons.
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Post by ursemboys on Mar 19, 2019 9:33:23 GMT
Along with James Mclean, he`s the main reason why we have had such a poor season in my opinion ...... ideally both need to be shipped out somehow in the summer or another season of mediocrity beckons. You seriously recon we have had a crap season because of MCCLEAN lol
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 19, 2019 10:15:01 GMT
Along with James Mclean, he`s the main reason why we have had such a poor season in my opinion ...... ideally both need to be shipped out somehow in the summer or another season of mediocrity beckons. Alternatively, he’s the reason we’re not in a bona fide relegation battle...
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Post by cousindupree on Mar 19, 2019 10:30:24 GMT
Along with James Mclean, he`s the main reason why we have had such a poor season in my opinion ...... ideally both need to be shipped out somehow in the summer or another season of mediocrity beckons. Alternatively, he’s the reason we’re not in a bona fide relegation battle... Really? Not quite sure how you work that one out. I would say we are not in a relegation fight is mainly down to ultra defensive displays by Jones and Rowett and jack Butland. As for Ince McClean and Afobe. How on earth did Rowett come to the conclusion that these 3 were his chosen front 3 in a 4-3-3 system. It's a combination from hell. Afobe....wrong type of player for a 4-3-3 Ince.....Much too inconsistent and goes missing McClean..Just a head down run and cross player of which there are dozens in Lge 1 and 2 who would cost next to nothing. Sadly the manager seems to like Ince and McClean so they will be part of Jones's not so new revolution next season.
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