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Post by nott1 on Mar 17, 2019 10:38:01 GMT
He isn't playing because the last four managers think he isn't good enough? And where has their management "skills" got them now?
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Post by wakeypotter on Mar 17, 2019 10:42:58 GMT
Yeh could be but why then did they not let him leave in January when we had chance. Because nobody matched stoke’s valuation of him If some team had come up with the right amount of money he’d have been fired out of the door faster than you can blink Why should stoke give him away As someone else has said it would have got him of the wage bill. also do you think his price is going to go up with him not playing. Nope
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 17, 2019 10:45:02 GMT
Three of Bojan's previous managers are currently out of work, the other manages a team at the bottom of the Championship. Verlinden was excellent today and very promising but he had more minutes in one game than Bojan has had in the last 9 games. We really don't know if Bojan is suited to the rigors of the Championship until we see with our own eyes? Why are people so eager to belittle our most naturally gifted footballer? At no point have I belittled Bojan's career at Stoke City! Tell me:- 1. Does Bojan have any pace? 2. How athletic would you say Bojan is? 3. How strong would you consider Bojan to be? 4. What physical size does Bojan have? 5. What physical damage has this player experienced in his career? 6. What technical skills has this player recently demonstrated in recent games? 7. How prolific has Bojan been in creating or scoring goals in his career? 8. How well does Bojan fit into the team shape that the manager is trying to play? 9. How well suited do you think Bojan is to the British game? 10. How many players do you know that have successfully made a comeback from criuciate ligament damage in their careers never mind two lots? Sadly Bojan is nowhere near the player he was when he arrived and I honestly feel there are many managers who admire him for what he was but not many would sign him now! If you don't enjoy watching Bojan playing football fair play so I'll back out of the debate at this point.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 17, 2019 10:46:16 GMT
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 17, 2019 10:54:07 GMT
As likable as the guy is he's not good enough. At least three managers at Stoke have thought that and a number of European managers have thought similar. Get over it. Wonder why some of those managers are still unemployed and the current incumbent is clueless to motivate the team? He ain't good enough. He showed that yesterday, he's shown it ever since he was injured. I said yesterday he's too light weight, an autumn leaf shows more strength when challenged, wake up and smell the coffee for goodness sake.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 17, 2019 10:55:37 GMT
Wonder why some of those managers are still unemployed and the current incumbent is clueless to motivate the team? He ain't good enough. He showed that yesterday, he's shown ever since he was injured. I said yesterday he's to light weight, an autumn leaf shows more strength when challenged, wake up and smell the coffee for goodness sake. Total bilge.
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 17, 2019 10:56:29 GMT
He ain't good enough. He showed that yesterday, he's shown ever since he was injured. I said yesterday he's to light weight, an autumn leaf shows more strength when challenged, wake up and smell the coffee for goodness sake. Total bilge. Really tell me the last time you saw on top of his game.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 17, 2019 10:56:49 GMT
Wonder why some of those managers are still unemployed and the current incumbent is clueless to motivate the team? He ain't good enough. He showed that yesterday, he's shown it ever since he was injured. I said yesterday he's too light weight, an autumn leaf shows more strength when challenged, wake up and smell the coffee for goodness sake. Is he any worse than Tom Ince at the moment ?
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Post by Championship Potter on Mar 17, 2019 10:58:51 GMT
He started our last win and has one of the best goal scoring records in the entire squad, got to be worth another start.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 17, 2019 11:00:42 GMT
Really tell me the last time you saw on top of his game. At Forest in the cup game he ran midfield and we nearly won after being three down. He is capable but not very match fit because the clown in charge prefers a team of cart horses. I just want him given a fair chance with a few starts.
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Post by steewee on Mar 17, 2019 11:07:05 GMT
You're the problem He's had 60 minutes in about half a year. And looked good, not great but good. He will look loads better with minutes. We are god damn dire and have zero creation. I think you should get your facts right.He has played nearly 6 hours of football (352 minutes).Bojan needs to make an impression when he gets the chance,and give Jones a decision to make.Verlinden made a real impression in 80 minutes of game time,and has made it difficult for Jones to leave him out.The reason Bojan isn't playing is down to Bojan,not Jones. You've proved my point, he's played 352 god damn minutes. That's 3.9 games in total (championship only). That's 10% of ALL game time. He's made appearances in 10 games and in 3 of those games he's played less than 10 MINUTES. In another 2 of those games he's played less than 25 MINUTES! So in 50% of the pathetic minutes our managers provide him he's been given less minutes than in a 5 a side game. How is he supposed to influence and get match ready? 2 of the games he's started we won. He may be doing something wrong in training, he may be disliked because he's got talent and others at this level dislike that. Managers may hate him because he's loved by fans. He has flaws, most players do. Stick a Silva or Couthino on our squad and they'd struggle. BUT. The rest of the team sucks! We have useless players who run around like blind frogs who've licked a dodgy leaf. If he got the minutes Ince, or toothpaste or Joe Melon got you'd find him influencing. He's exciting, I turn games on to watch him, it's such a shame it's not being embraced. I want to like NJ but so far he's the one whose lacking. And also hes a liar and fraud to date. And he needs to get some faith in his beliefs.
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Post by RAF on Mar 17, 2019 11:14:51 GMT
There are some on here who won't be happy until we have 10 McCleans/Whiteheads giving 110%. Long throws, hoofball and twatting people off the ball are all that is required.
Bojan may not be the answer but I am fucking stumped at what the question for Tom Ince is? As for McClean jesus christ. Industrially shite.
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 17, 2019 11:18:32 GMT
Really tell me the last time you saw on top of his game. At Forest in the cup game he ran midfield and we nearly won after being three down. He is capable but not very match fit because the clown in charge prefers a team of cart horses. I just want him given a fair chance with a few starts. Did Charlie need time for a fair chance, did Shawcross need time when he came back, did Verlinden need time? Of course they didn't because they grabbed the chance when given. He's just not good enough. At least you chose a game from this season, the last guy I asked quoted two games from the 14/15 season. I love Bojan and it saddens me say these things.
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 17, 2019 11:19:37 GMT
He ain't good enough. He showed that yesterday, he's shown it ever since he was injured. I said yesterday he's too light weight, an autumn leaf shows more strength when challenged, wake up and smell the coffee for goodness sake. Is he any worse than Tom Ince at the moment ? Not a big fan of Ince but yes he is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 11:37:11 GMT
Hughes stopped playing him and sent him out on loan. 2 or 3 clubs did he go? None of them played him. Rowett said it’s a clean slate, yet didn’t play him! Jones comes in and offers everyone a clean slate and doesn’t play him. Maybe just maybe these managers see more of Bojan than us and they can see he either isn’t pulling his weight in training or he just isn’t offering anything. So why didn't we allow him to move in the window? He wanted to go. West Brom wanted him. We blocked the move. Yet he has started, what, 2 games since then? It's another piece of Jones bull shit exacerbated by us being wank.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 11:44:12 GMT
Hughes stopped playing him and sent him out on loan. 2 or 3 clubs did he go? None of them played him. Rowett said it’s a clean slate, yet didn’t play him! Jones comes in and offers everyone a clean slate and doesn’t play him. Maybe just maybe these managers see more of Bojan than us and they can see he either isn’t pulling his weight in training or he just isn’t offering anything. So why didn't we allow him to move in the window? He wanted to go. West Brom wanted him. We blocked the move. Yet he has started, what, 2 games since then? It's another piece of Jones bull shit exacerbated by us being wank. You would have to ask the management I’m afraid. I’m not sure. As I’ve said was there a concrete bid for him? We’re we actually getting him off the payroll or were we going to keep paying him? When Jones come wasn’t Bojan actually suffering from a virus as well? So it could have been he wanted him to be 100% right before judging him. Either way it seems all these managers have the same opinion of Bojan after seeing him in training. Got admit though it’s quite funny seeing fan boys lose there shit over it
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Post by wakeypotter on Mar 17, 2019 12:23:08 GMT
Is he any worse than Tom Ince at the moment ? Not a big fan of Ince but yes he is. Your blind. Ince is probably just better than bojan at the min cos ince is playing games. U just don’t get in do you how can a player influence when he’s not playing.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 17, 2019 12:24:02 GMT
Is he any worse than Tom Ince at the moment ? Not a big fan of Ince but yes he is. Ok Nathan I understand
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 14:06:14 GMT
When Bojan plays he mentally wears down the opposition defenders and pulls them out of shape.
Id start him in every home game and if he starts tiring out sub him for Adam around 60 mins.
Away games he definitely makes the bench,
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Post by nenepotter on Mar 17, 2019 15:55:33 GMT
When Bojan plays he mentally wears down the opposition defenders and pulls them out of shape. Id start him in every home game and if he starts tiring out sub him for Adam around 60 mins. Away games he definitely makes the bench, I agree and its not a coincidence that with Bojan on the pitch our results have been better. No we have not the seen Bojan of old, and he's a long way off match fitness but I don't see the sense in keeping him sat on the bench, given our lack of creativity. Nothing to lose, alot to gain.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 17, 2019 16:00:15 GMT
When Bojan plays he mentally wears down the opposition defenders and pulls them out of shape. Id start him in every home game and if he starts tiring out sub him for Adam around 60 mins. Away games he definitely makes the bench, I agree and its not a coincidence that with Bojan on the pitch our results have been better. No we have not the seen Bojan of old, and he's a long way off match fitness but I don't see the sense in keeping him sat on the bench, given our lack of creativity. Nothing to lose, alot to gain. Every man and his dog can see we lack any creativity, to leave our most creative player out, especially given what 'is' out on the pitch for us, is bordering on the insane imo.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 17, 2019 17:36:46 GMT
As likable as the guy is he's not good enough. At least three managers at Stoke have thought that and a number of European managers have thought similar. Get over it. Wonder why some of those managers are still unemployed and the current incumbent is clueless to motivate the team? What some of those managers like Pep Guardiola?
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Mar 17, 2019 17:43:23 GMT
There are some on here who won't be happy until we have 10 McCleans/Whiteheads giving 110%. Long throws, hoofball and twatting people off the ball are all that is required. Bojan may not be the answer but I am fucking stumped at what the question for Tom Ince is? As for McClean jesus christ. Industrially shite. H McLean consistently creates our best opportunities week in week out. Whether he starts or comes on as sub. I’m not his biggest fan but in comparison to some I utterly fail to see how he he’s so much stick.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 17, 2019 18:07:44 GMT
There are some on here who won't be happy until we have 10 McCleans/Whiteheads giving 110%. Long throws, hoofball and twatting people off the ball are all that is required. Bojan may not be the answer but I am fucking stumped at what the question for Tom Ince is? As for McClean jesus christ. Industrially shite. H McLean consistently creates our best opportunities week in week out. Whether he starts or comes on as sub. I’m not his biggest fan but in comparison to some I utterly fail to see how he he’s so much stick. That must be why we score so few goals then......
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 17, 2019 18:26:09 GMT
At Forest in the cup game he ran midfield and we nearly won after being three down. He is capable but not very match fit because the clown in charge prefers a team of cart horses. I just want him given a fair chance with a few starts. Did Charlie need time for a fair chance, did Shawcross need time when he came back, did Verlinden need time? Of course they didn't because they grabbed the chance when given. He's just not good enough. At least you chose a game from this season, the last guy I asked quoted two games from the 14/15 season. I love Bojan and it saddens me say these things. Fuckin rediculous comparisons...... ADAM: Charlie was getting the dogs abuse from vertually everyone on here before Jones came in and give him his chance again!!! When Rowett was in charge, and Charlie wasn't getting a look in, few of us (myself included) wanted Charlie back in the side (preferably in place of Woods), the rest simply shot him down..... "he's wank" "he's finished" "too slow" "too fat" "hope I never see him in a Stoke shirt again" "he's the reason we were relegated" "red card waiting to happen....(okay,I'll give you that)" Jones brings him back, he plays how we know Charlie can play, now all of a sudden, everyone's crying out for him!!! Well done Charlie by the way, for proving a lot of doubters wrong......until of course, you have one bad game.....then they'll be back out in their droves!!! SHAWCROSS: Shawcross has been woeful for pretty much the last 2 possibly 3 seasons, and rightfully deserved dropping, and each time he came back, never really took his chance...... Shawcross's saving grace at the moment comes in the form of Danny Batth, he's the reason Shawcross's form has picked up!!! VERLINDEN: What a debut....but to compare Bojan with Verlinden is rediculous to say the least!!! Bojan isn't a winger, so would look out of sorts trying to play as one.... And vice versa with Verlinden, would he be capable of playing the number 10 role??? But the main difference in Bojan and Verlinden is that, One has been around for a few years, a seasoned professional, and rubbed shoulders on the pitch with some of the biggest names in the world, yet struggles to even sometimes get on the bench, confidence must be at an all time low... Had chance to leave in January, to start afresh and play football, denied.....but STILL doesn't get a chance...... And the other is making his very first full first team debut.....confidence, sky high!!! Then there's Ince....well fuck may, something is seriously wrong when you can't play in your rightful position because of Ince!!!
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Mar 17, 2019 18:53:57 GMT
McLean consistently creates our best opportunities week in week out. Whether he starts or comes on as sub. I’m not his biggest fan but in comparison to some I utterly fail to see how he he’s so much stick. That must be why we score so few goals then...... Not saying he’s producing enough but every week pretty much he’s making a clear cut chance for someone to fluff. He put in a fantastic cross in the first half yesterday that Vokes and Verlinden were on the back foot for, right in between keeper and defence, absolutely perfect, and nobody attacking it. He dug the ball away from their player and managed to get it back to Ince for him to hit the post, while he was on his arse. He put another pretty much perfect cross in for Verlinden to tamely head wide when he really should have scored.
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 17, 2019 19:52:42 GMT
Not a big fan of Ince but yes he is. Your blind. Ince is probably just better than bojan at the min cos ince is playing games. U just don’t get in do you how can a player influence when he’s not playing. He's had his chances and he hasn't grabbed them. Adams comes on after being out for a while and influences a game. Bojan comes on after a lay off and influences nothing. Ince has been poor but he plays a greater role than Bojan has rescently. Yes I would prefer to see Ince replaced but as with any player the replacement has to be an improvement on what we already have. It's you that doesn't get it, Bojan is not the player he was, he's spent. You can stamp your feet as much as you wish but one thing is for sure he will never be a regular in the team.
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 17, 2019 19:54:40 GMT
Not a big fan of Ince but yes he is. Ok Nathan I understand I wish I was Nathan, I could do with a few bob.
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 17, 2019 19:55:49 GMT
That must be why we score so few goals then...... Not saying he’s producing enough but every week pretty much he’s making a clear cut chance for someone to fluff. He put in a fantastic cross in the first half yesterday that Vokes and Verlinden were on the back foot for, right in between keeper and defence, absolutely perfect, and nobody attacking it. He dug the ball away from their player and managed to get it back to Ince for him to hit the post, while he was on his arse. He put another pretty much perfect cross in for Verlinden to tamely head wide when he really should have scored. I thought Vokes looked a little heavy legged yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 19:57:10 GMT
Your blind. Ince is probably just better than bojan at the min cos ince is playing games. U just don’t get in do you how can a player influence when he’s not playing. He's had his chances and he hasn't grabbed them. Adams comes on after being out for a while and influences a game. Bojan comes on after a lay off and influences nothing. Ince has been poor but he plays a greater role than Bojan has rescently. Yes I would prefer to see Ince replaced but as with any player the replacement has to be an improvement on what we already have. It's you that doesn't get it, Bojan is not the player he was, he's spent. You can stamp your feet as much as you wish but one thing is for sure he will never be a regular in the team. Thank god you weren't in charge when he first came cus he was shit for the first few games.
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