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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 15, 2019 21:58:07 GMT
As far as Hughes apologists are concerned, I've never denied what happened in those last two seasons, I don't think any of us have. I just enjoyed the previous three years massively and can't see any point in deriding them. Those 9th place finishes were bloody good as far as I'm concerned. I’m certainly not having a dig at you personally, it’s about the continued reminder of three “9th” finishes. In reality for us as supporters they were meaningless other than the cudous of finishing in the top ten. Finishing safely in mid table with a guarantee of EPL the following season was more important IMHO People got carried away with the silly “Stokealona” tag, funnily enough created by ourselves and not the wider football world. We got plaudits from the media on how we had changed, gone we’re comments of a “wet Tuesday night at the 365” Funny we never get mentioned at all now. Hey ho, progress I suspect The wet Tuesday does get mentioned occasionally but yes we are a mere footnote nowadays.
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Post by Absolution on Mar 15, 2019 22:00:23 GMT
As far as Hughes apologists are concerned, I've never denied what happened in those last two seasons, I don't think any of us have. I just enjoyed the previous three years massively and can't see any point in deriding them. Those 9th place finishes were bloody good as far as I'm concerned. I’m certainly not having a dig at you personally, it’s about the continued reminder of three “9th” finishes. In reality for us as supporters they were meaningless other than the cudous of finishing in the top ten. Finishing safely in mid table with a guarantee of EPL the following season was more important IMHO People got carried away with the silly “Stokealona” tag, funnily enough created by ourselves and not the wider football world. We got plaudits from the media on how we had changed, gone we’re comments of a “wet Tuesday night at the 365” Funny we never get mentioned at all now. Hey ho, progress I suspect I mentioned the 9th place finishes because other people had derided them on the thread. They weren't meaningless to me or to some others. The Stokalona thing was just an in joke which was bound to be picked up by the outside world, mostly because we'd bought a few Barcelona players. It was fun. It was never going to last forever any more than the 'wet Tuesday in Stoke' tag. I enjoyed Hughes' football more than I enjoyed Pulis' football. We're all entitled to view things differently.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 15, 2019 22:01:38 GMT
Wonder what happened to the red flags then after scouting 20 times. Is it any wonder why we are struggling now with this squad of people when they are still here. There’s no fighting spirit in them. That’s without the shit Rowett added to them. In all fairness there has been a massive U turn in the recruitment policy since the days of Hughes. That’s not to say mistakes may have been made but generally the home market is being used more often. Theres no Joselou’s, Jesé, Choping-Motings etc.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 15, 2019 22:02:08 GMT
Just glad this stuff is surfacing. It might prompt the club to wake the f*** up and start treating the place like a proper football club instead of a lads and dads outfit. If this seasoned pro is so bothered, maybe speak up at the time. that's a ridiculous thing to say he had a contract and now he doesn't ....there is a big difference.....it sounds like there were people who did speak up at the time but they were ignored. if he had gone public he would have a) lost his job b) been slagged off by the fans and considered a traitor, a disruptive influence and possibly a liar
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 15, 2019 22:03:59 GMT
Wonder what happened to the red flags then after scouting 20 times. Is it any wonder why we are struggling now with this squad of people when they are still here. There’s no fighting spirit in them. That’s without the shit Rowett added to them. In all fairness there has been a massive U turn in the recruitment policy since the days of Hughes. That’s not to say mistakes may have been made but generally the home market is being used more often. Theres no Joselou’s, Jesé, Choping-Motings etc. No, there is over priced garbage like Afobe, Ince, McClean, Clucas, Martina and Williams instead. Viva the home market.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 22:04:07 GMT
Wonder what happened to the red flags then after scouting 20 times. Is it any wonder why we are struggling now with this squad of people when they are still here. There’s no fighting spirit in them. That’s without the shit Rowett added to them. In all fairness there has been a massive U turn in the recruitment policy since the days of Hughes. That’s not to say mistakes may have been made but generally the home market is being used more often. Theres no Joselou’s, Jesé, Choping-Motings etc. The home market hasn’t been fruitful for us though either has it.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 15, 2019 22:05:42 GMT
In all fairness there has been a massive U turn in the recruitment policy since the days of Hughes. That’s not to say mistakes may have been made but generally the home market is being used more often. Theres no Joselou’s, Jesé, Choping-Motings etc. The home market hasn’t been fruitful for us though either has it. Not really no, good point. Lets have a look at our amazing recruitment team
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 15, 2019 22:06:05 GMT
I’m certainly not having a dig at you personally, it’s about the continued reminder of three “9th” finishes. In reality for us as supporters they were meaningless other than the cudous of finishing in the top ten. Finishing safely in mid table with a guarantee of EPL the following season was more important IMHO People got carried away with the silly “Stokealona” tag, funnily enough created by ourselves and not the wider football world. We got plaudits from the media on how we had changed, gone we’re comments of a “wet Tuesday night at the 365” Funny we never get mentioned at all now. Hey ho, progress I suspect I mentioned the 9th place finishes because other people had derided them on the thread. They weren't meaningless to me or to some others. The Stokalona thing was just an in joke which was bound to be picked up by the outside world, mostly because we'd bought a few Barcelona players. It was fun. It was never going to last forever any more than the 'wet Tuesday in Stoke' tag. I enjoyed Hughes' football more than I enjoyed Pulis' football. We're all entitled to view things differently. I’m glad you enjoyed the sleepwalking to relegation process then, the thumping’s, the shit characters like Jesé and of course our current position in the Championship. I suggest you seek support from QPR fans in your opinions of Mark Hughes. Again I’ll stress that’s not hindsight
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 15, 2019 22:15:07 GMT
In all fairness there has been a massive U turn in the recruitment policy since the days of Hughes. That’s not to say mistakes may have been made but generally the home market is being used more often. Theres no Joselou’s, Jesé, Choping-Motings etc. No, there is over priced garbage like Afobe, Ince, McClean, Clucas, Martina and Williams instead. Viva the home market. Pugs Afobe = jury still out. Just think we haven’t set up to play to his strengths. Time will tell Ince = bang on and I’ve said the same all season. Tom Ince plays for Tom Ince McClean = must admit I thought he would add value and balance to the squad. Possibly an important squad player next season Clucas = still not sure Martina = panic recruitment, no alternatives at the start of the season. Rubbish Williams = as above. Can see the rationale behind the signature but not overwhelmed at the time. Been OK
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 15, 2019 22:15:40 GMT
If this seasoned pro is so bothered, maybe speak up at the time. that's a ridiculous thing to say he had a contract and now he doesn't ....there is a big difference.....it sounds like there were people who did speak up at the time but they were ignored. if he had gone public he would have a) lost his job b) been slagged off by the fans and considered a traitor, a disruptive influence and possibly a liar Is it? It seems quite important to him to say it now 20 months later, obviously stuck in his mind.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 15, 2019 22:15:49 GMT
I mentioned the 9th place finishes because other people had derided them on the thread. They weren't meaningless to me or to some others. The Stokalona thing was just an in joke which was bound to be picked up by the outside world, mostly because we'd bought a few Barcelona players. It was fun. It was never going to last forever any more than the 'wet Tuesday in Stoke' tag. I enjoyed Hughes' football more than I enjoyed Pulis' football. We're all entitled to view things differently. I’m glad you enjoyed the sleepwalking to relegation process then, the thumping’s, the shit characters like Jesé and of course our current position in the Championship. I suggest you seek support from QPR fans in your opinions of Mark Hughes. Again I’ll stress that’s not hindsight To be fair I get where you are both coming from. I too enjoyed the all too brief Hughes top 10 finishes even though I liked TP and what he achieved for our club. It was great for a bit of bragging for a while but ultimately Hughes turned out to be an idiot lacking any man management skills. Hughes has caused us a massive problem but the senior management gave him far too much flex and crucially too much time. He was taking the piss in the end with his..."who else is going to do the job". He should have been told to clear his desk right there and then. Nobody should be allowed to take the piss out of Stoke when they are on the payroll.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 15, 2019 22:17:36 GMT
I’m glad you enjoyed the sleepwalking to relegation process then, the thumping’s, the shit characters like Jesé and of course our current position in the Championship. I suggest you seek support from QPR fans in your opinions of Mark Hughes. Again I’ll stress that’s not hindsight To be fair I get where you are both coming from. I too enjoyed the all too brief Hughes top 10 finishes even though I liked TP and what he achieved for our club. It was great for a bit of bragging for a while but ultimately Hughes turned out to be an idiot lacking any man management skills. Hughes has caused us a massive problem but the senior management gave him far too much flex and crucially too much time. He was taking the piss in the end with his..."who else is going to do the job". He should have been told to clear his desk right there and then. Nobody should be allowed to take the piss out of Stoke when they are on the payroll. I agree with this but I also think people shouldn't take the piss after they've come off the payroll either.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 15, 2019 22:18:02 GMT
No, there is over priced garbage like Afobe, Ince, McClean, Clucas, Martina and Williams instead. Viva the home market. Pugs Afobe = jury still out. Just think we haven’t set up to play to his strengths. Time will tell Ince = bang on and I’ve said the same all season. Tom Ince plays for Tom Ince McClean = must admit I thought he would add value and balance to the squad. Possibly an important squad player next season Clucas = still not sure Martina = panic recruitment, no alternatives at the start of the season. Rubbish Williams = as above. Can see the rationale behind the signature but not overwhelmed at the time. Been OK Thanks for proving my point.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 15, 2019 22:22:01 GMT
To be fair I get where you are both coming from. I too enjoyed the all too brief Hughes top 10 finishes even though I liked TP and what he achieved for our club. It was great for a bit of bragging for a while but ultimately Hughes turned out to be an idiot lacking any man management skills. Hughes has caused us a massive problem but the senior management gave him far too much flex and crucially too much time. He was taking the piss in the end with his..."who else is going to do the job". He should have been told to clear his desk right there and then. Nobody should be allowed to take the piss out of Stoke when they are on the payroll. I agree with this but I also think people shouldn't take the piss after they've come off the payroll either. I would rather they didn't, agreed. Personally though I don't mind it in this case if it highlights the problems within the club. Its painful and embarrassing but the dirty laundry needs to be seen or the people upstairs will carry on being blameless and keep hiding behind manager after manager. Time for change.
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Post by Absolution on Mar 15, 2019 22:22:25 GMT
I mentioned the 9th place finishes because other people had derided them on the thread. They weren't meaningless to me or to some others. The Stokalona thing was just an in joke which was bound to be picked up by the outside world, mostly because we'd bought a few Barcelona players. It was fun. It was never going to last forever any more than the 'wet Tuesday in Stoke' tag. I enjoyed Hughes' football more than I enjoyed Pulis' football. We're all entitled to view things differently. I’m glad you enjoyed the sleepwalking to relegation process then, the thumping’s, the shit characters like Jesé and of course our current position in the Championship. I suggest you seek support from QPR fans in your opinions of Mark Hughes. Again I’ll stress that’s not hindsight I'm talking about the first three years. But you knew that already I'd imagine. I don't need to engage other fans opinions thanks.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 15, 2019 22:24:42 GMT
Pugs Afobe = jury still out. Just think we haven’t set up to play to his strengths. Time will tell Ince = bang on and I’ve said the same all season. Tom Ince plays for Tom Ince McClean = must admit I thought he would add value and balance to the squad. Possibly an important squad player next season Clucas = still not sure Martina = panic recruitment, no alternatives at the start of the season. Rubbish Williams = as above. Can see the rationale behind the signature but not overwhelmed at the time. Been OK Thanks for proving my point. At least we e only paid taxi fares rather than air fares
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Post by chadb91 on Mar 15, 2019 22:34:28 GMT
Yes it's this old topc again but this really boils my piss. Let this sink in one more time...
Imbula 18million Berahino 12million Wimmer 18million
All just awful signings with absolute no fucks given by either one of them or the board. Just bad attitudes to be a professional athlete and sportsman.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 15, 2019 22:35:44 GMT
Pulis lost the plot because...… then Hughes lost the plot because ….. Rowett lost it because ……….. Very clear issues much higher To me, it sort of sounds like Hughes and his coaches lost interest. He obviously became indoctrinated into the boys club mentality from above. Yes he should have been more professional but it's hard not to take on the ethos of a company. You go in with bright ideas at the start but get ground down until you either move on or just become like those you despise, the 'this is the way we've always done it' and everything's ok culture. I have the feeling Rowett soon became pissed off with the attitude from above, weren't their rumours he was close to walking early on? He obviously didn't give a shit what he did or said by the end. I hope Jones isn't the same and if not happy walks. It won't help us but it just may give those upstairs a massive kick in the arse.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 15, 2019 22:36:06 GMT
Pugs Afobe = jury still out. Just think we haven’t set up to play to his strengths. Time will tell Ince = bang on and I’ve said the same all season. Tom Ince plays for Tom Ince McClean = must admit I thought he would add value and balance to the squad. Possibly an important squad player next season Clucas = still not sure Martina = panic recruitment, no alternatives at the start of the season. Rubbish Williams = as above. Can see the rationale behind the signature but not overwhelmed at the time. Been OK Thanks for proving my point. Pugs as a PS All the above bar Afobe and the loan deals have been bang average Championship fees of £5//£6 million. Pay peanuts and you “generally” get monkeys. There is in my mind no doubt that the recruitment policy and retention of several players i.e extended contracts has been the major factor in our demise. I cannot for the life of me understand how the owners allowed such to continue as they were signing the cheques
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Post by Absolution on Mar 15, 2019 22:40:15 GMT
To me, it sort of sounds like Hughes and his coaches lost interest. He obviously became indoctrinated into the boys club mentality from above. Yes he should have been more professional but it's hard not to take on the ethos of a company. You go in with bright ideas at the start but get ground down until you either move on or just become like those you despise, the 'this is the way we've always done it' and everything's ok culture. I have the feeling Rowett soon became pissed off with the attitude from above, weren't their rumours he was close to walking early on? He obviously didn't give a shit what he did or said by the end. I hope Jones isn't the same and if not happy walks. It won't help us but it just may give those upstairs a massive kick in the arse. If questions aren't already being asked, they'd have to be if another manager fell through the trapdoor. I don't think he will.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 15, 2019 22:44:48 GMT
He obviously became indoctrinated into the boys club mentality from above. Yes he should have been more professional but it's hard not to take on the ethos of a company. You go in with bright ideas at the start but get ground down until you either move on or just become like those you despise, the 'this is the way we've always done it' and everything's ok culture. I have the feeling Rowett soon became pissed off with the attitude from above, weren't their rumours he was close to walking early on? He obviously didn't give a shit what he did or said by the end. I hope Jones isn't the same and if not happy walks. It won't help us but it just may give those upstairs a massive kick in the arse. If questions aren't already being asked, they'd have to be if another manager fell through the trapdoor. I don't think he will. Lessons have been learned and a full review done? Nothing wrong with the process! It's fucking sickening!
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Mar 15, 2019 22:45:50 GMT
What a fucking pantomime.
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Post by chumley on Mar 15, 2019 23:09:29 GMT
The worst part is with these fu***ers who are on payroll but dont play ie Imbula etc, we can get rid of them but they may still remain on payroll to some extent as part of severance deal villa are still paying Micah richards 60k a week and he went 2 -3 yrs ago. Been offered payoff but refused . Joke scenario
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 15, 2019 23:30:23 GMT
Wonder what happened to the red flags then after scouting 20 times. Is it any wonder why we are struggling now with this squad of people when they are still here. There’s no fighting spirit in them. That’s without the shit Rowett added to them. In all fairness there has been a massive U turn in the recruitment policy since the days of Hughes. That’s not to say mistakes may have been made but generally the home market is being used more often. Theres no Joselou’s, Jesé, Choping-Motings etc. Really? Do you think Ince and Clucas are committed to the club and fans? Afobe blows hot and cold like Shaq; some matches he looks like he is trying, and others you wonder why he bothered to get changed. McClean gives 110% but is just class-less. The only truly "successful" signings we have seen this season are Etebo and Batth out of 14 signings this season. I appreciate I am being unfair to Federici and Vokes. Glenn Johnson was guilty of conceding a number of our goals, sometimes having gone to sleep, but if what he says is true then my question is "What were the Chairman and CEO doing during all this?" Do they think they are totally detached from the success or failure of the club. The Academy was started 20 years ago this year (I think) during which time it has produced a paucity of first team players. That is just bad management from the top.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 23:31:13 GMT
Wonder what happened to the red flags then after scouting 20 times. Is it any wonder why we are struggling now with this squad of people when they are still here. There’s no fighting spirit in them. That’s without the shit Rowett added to them. In all fairness there has been a massive U turn in the recruitment policy since the days of Hughes. That’s not to say mistakes may have been made but generally the home market is being used more often. Theres no Joselou’s, Jesé, Choping-Motings etc. Premier League Joselu?
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Post by questionable on Mar 15, 2019 23:36:37 GMT
Managers come and go but the pair of wankers remain, open your eyes we’ve dropped like lead balloons and still doing so.
To quote Hughes ”who else would do the job” and Rowett being persuaded to stay after storming out.
Yes it’s very easy and just to blame the likes of Imbula but for Christ’s sake only a matter of weeks ago Scholes was talking through his stuttering arse telling us we watch players ex amounts of time.
Believe me from what I’ve read about the playing side and from what I know about non playing staff Imbula is least of the problems.
But slag the players off just deflects the obvious for me.
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Post by generationex on Mar 16, 2019 0:43:37 GMT
Fuck you Mark Hughes. You fraud. Loser.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 16, 2019 0:58:50 GMT
At the next opportunity will someone please ask Scholes to explain exactly how 'the process' worked when signing Imbula. He may have been identified by Hughes but when did they watch him 25 times and where did his character references come from? I cannot believe that after their due diligence they would not have vetoed this signing however much Hughes wanted him.
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Post by thisfootballclub on Mar 16, 2019 1:07:00 GMT
At the next opportunity will someone please ask Scholes to explain exactly how 'the process' worked when signing Imbula. He may have been identified by Hughes but when did they watch him 25 times and where did his character references come from? I cannot believe that after their due diligence they would not have vetoed this signing however much Hughes wanted him. Bizarre isn't it? In any other line of business if you were about to offer somebody 50k or whatever a week surely you'd want to have a sit down interview with the bloke first...
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 16, 2019 1:19:52 GMT
Also what responsibilities are expected of players and written in their contracts? Most normal people earning a semi decent wage have to agree to behave in a professional and responsible manner. Obviously this is not written into players contracts.
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