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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 15, 2019 12:24:36 GMT
I actually think the issue with Ince is a lack of confidence that gets misdiagnosed as arrogance. He’s in rotten form but he is at this level a really good player, we just need to get him on it again. Ince will be a big player next season, if we are going to challenge. He'd have to stop playing like a massive fanny then.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 15, 2019 12:34:27 GMT
At the tip of the diamond? Frustratingly, we're nowhere closer to finding out how he could do there, are we? If he can't play there, he's no use to us And he's not even looking remotely the part in his traditional position. Same with Afobe. Haven't got the foggiest if he can look the part next season after a pre-season. Both Ince and Afobe have got superb records at this level, I’m holding on to the hope that as part of basically a new team next season that they will both come good. I don't envy Jones working all this out going into next season, especially if we don't see the likes of Ince and Afobe play into some form between now and May. Ince has barely done a thing since Jonse walked in, let alone proven he can do the job in an entirely new role waiting for him to audition in come pre-season. And Afobe has had one good game. Those two will go into next season among the best-paid players in this league. I was hoping we'd go into pre-season with the skeleton of a team in mind. As it is, there aren't many players you can ink in to play any kind of meaningful part in a successful team, especially in a diamond - and Afobe and Ince certainly aren't amongst them at this stage. So if they still don't fire between now and May, do we look to shift them or go into pre-season on a hope and a prayer with a barrowload of salary tied up in them?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 15, 2019 12:37:32 GMT
Plus of those 8 we’ve two Sheffield teams amd Norwich at home all going for it , boro away , and two 6 pointers millwall and Rotherham the result very much does matter , not Losing tomorrow is Very important so I would not be expecting any experimentation I take it you’ve got a few quid on at 2000/1 then. I’ve said before I’ve one lesson from watching stoke city taught in many of the addiction groups ,” there is no situation so bad we can’t make it worse 😉
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 15, 2019 12:37:53 GMT
If Vokes is fit he'll play along with Afobe, with Ince behind. Charlie was pretty poor the other night I thought, although Woods was probably worse. Wouldn't be surprised if Fletcher started with Allen and Etebo in front, with Woods coming on later.
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Post by realstokebloke on Mar 15, 2019 12:43:49 GMT
Both Ince and Afobe have got superb records at this level, I’m holding on to the hope that as part of basically a new team next season that they will both come good. I don't envy Jones working all this out going into next season, especially if we don't see the likes of Ince and Afobe play into some form between now and May. Ince has barely done a thing since Jonse walked in, let alone proven he can do the job in an entirely new role waiting for him to audition in come pre-season. And Afobe has had one good game. Those two will go into next season among the best-paid players in this league. I was hoping we'd go into pre-season with the skeleton of a team in mind. As it is, there aren't many players you can ink in to play any kind of meaningful part in a successful team, especially in a diamond - and Afobe and Ince certainly aren't amongst them at this stage. So if they still don't fire between now and May, do we look to shift them or go into pre-season on a hope and a prayer with a barrowload of salary tied up in them? Agreed. But that's what he signed up for.
Personally, and as above, I have seen enough of them firing blanks and would have their (& other) personnel files on the pizza desk market 'out' (if humanly possible) as of now.
Just how long can their continuous audition be?
It's not even like it's 'nearly' been happening / clicking is it?
Time must be running out for them and, equally, is running short for the chance to get a half decent look at any other candidates.
It's all a bit of a mess and I can't see where NJ is heading with it tbh.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 15, 2019 13:27:13 GMT
I’d freshen up our attacking options if we can
....................Jack.................... Edwards..Batth....Ryan.....Indi ...........Allen...........Etebo........ Ince..............Bojan....McClean .....................Vokes.................
Go for the jugular
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 15, 2019 15:48:24 GMT
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Post by wearepremierleague on Mar 15, 2019 16:36:05 GMT
Accuming Vokes and Etebo are out
Butland Edwards Shawcross Batth Indi Allen Woods Ince Bojan Mcclean Afobe
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 15, 2019 16:47:01 GMT
Accuming Vokes and Etebo are out Butland Edwards Shawcross Batth Indi Allen Woods Ince Bojan Mcclean Afobe Afobe🤔really?
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 15, 2019 16:53:28 GMT
Accuming Vokes and Etebo are out Butland Edwards Shawcross Batth Indi Allen Woods Ince Bojan Mcclean Afobe Afobe🤔really? Strange how we haven't really been given any update though? If it was a season-ending kind of thing, surely it would have been mentioned? www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47505141Before the press conference, BBC were just saying "doubtful" and "being monitored". I'd be amazed if he was fit, but you never know. Can't make sense of Jones saying we're in a better position, injury-wise, than Wednesday - then the apparent "broad hint" that Etebo and Vokes are still out? Worse case, we're probably looking at the same midfield as Derby (a knackered Adam, Allen and Woods) with Diouf up front. Hopefully we can at least spice it up with Verlinden or it could be a long afternoon watching that lot
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 15, 2019 16:57:43 GMT
Strange how we haven't really been given any update though? If it was a season-ending kind of thing, surely it would have been mentioned? www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47505141Before the press conference, BBC were just saying "doubtful" and "being monitored". I'd be amazed if he was fit, but you never know. Can't make sense of Jones saying we're in a better position, injury-wise, than Wednesday - then the apparent "broad hint" that Etebo and Vokes are still out? Worse case, we're probably looking at the same midfield as Derby (a knackered Adam, Allen and Woods) with Diouf up front. Hopefully we can at least spice it up with Verlinden or it could be a long afternoon watching that lot I’d be absolutely amazed if we saw him before the Sheff Wed game to be honest FM but like you say Jones comments today are interesting to say the least
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Post by mrteddysalad on Mar 15, 2019 19:05:48 GMT
Vokes is out according to his presser. I assume it'll be...
Edwards Ryan Batth BMI Allen Charlie Ince Bojan McClean MBD
I don't see any other options. Woods has to be dropped and unfortunately Ince has to play since there's nobody else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 21:06:04 GMT
Vokes is out according to his presser. I assume it'll be... Edwards Ryan Batth BMI Allen Charlie Ince Bojan McClean MBD I don't see any other options. Woods has to be dropped and unfortunately Ince has to play since there's nobody else. Just because academy players are nobodies in your mind doesn't mean that we don't have an alternative. Verlinden has been getting more rave reviews than Ince ever did, but he didn't cost us much, Ince did, so he plays. It can't be because he's good, because he's not.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Mar 15, 2019 21:20:40 GMT
Vokes is out according to his presser. I assume it'll be... Edwards Ryan Batth BMI Allen Charlie Ince Bojan McClean MBD I don't see any other options. Woods has to be dropped and unfortunately Ince has to play since there's nobody else. Just because academy players are nobodies in your mind doesn't mean that we don't have an alternative. Verlinden has been getting more rave reviews than Ince ever did, but he didn't cost us much, Ince did, so he plays. It can't be because he's good, because he's not. I'd gladly give him a shot if he's ready.
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Post by lordb on Mar 15, 2019 22:00:10 GMT
Vokes is out according to his presser. I assume it'll be... Edwards Ryan Batth BMI Allen Charlie Ince Bojan McClean MBD I don't see any other options. Woods has to be dropped and unfortunately Ince has to play since there's nobody else. Etebo?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 22:32:31 GMT
Vokes is out according to his presser. I assume it'll be... Edwards Ryan Batth BMI Allen Charlie Ince Bojan McClean MBD I don't see any other options. Woods has to be dropped and unfortunately Ince has to play since there's nobody else. Etebo? Not fully fit according to the manager
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 15, 2019 22:38:27 GMT
I don't envy Jones working all this out going into next season, especially if we don't see the likes of Ince and Afobe play into some form between now and May. Ince has barely done a thing since Jonse walked in, let alone proven he can do the job in an entirely new role waiting for him to audition in come pre-season. And Afobe has had one good game. Those two will go into next season among the best-paid players in this league. I was hoping we'd go into pre-season with the skeleton of a team in mind. As it is, there aren't many players you can ink in to play any kind of meaningful part in a successful team, especially in a diamond - and Afobe and Ince certainly aren't amongst them at this stage. So if they still don't fire between now and May, do we look to shift them or go into pre-season on a hope and a prayer with a barrowload of salary tied up in them? Agreed. But that's what he signed up for.
Personally, and as above, I have seen enough of them firing blanks and would have their (& other) personnel files on the pizza desk market 'out' (if humanly possible) as of now.
Just how long can their continuous audition be?
It's not even like it's 'nearly' been happening / clicking is it?
Time must be running out for them and, equally, is running short for the chance to get a half decent look at any other candidates.
It's all a bit of a mess and I can't see where NJ is heading with it tbh. Time should be running out for the Pizza Desk let alone Ince and Afobe but after years of shit and they are still here. Beggars belief.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 15, 2019 22:42:26 GMT
No Verlinden for the U23’s tonight
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Post by lordb on Mar 15, 2019 22:43:15 GMT
Not fully fit according to the manager 😞
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 15, 2019 23:20:15 GMT
Not fully fit according to the manager 😞 Interesting though that he said were in a much better position re fitness than we were Wednesday
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Mar 15, 2019 23:22:19 GMT
Easy 2-0 win
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 15, 2019 23:22:42 GMT
Jones keeps banging on about how he has always embraced youth. Now is the time to prove it.
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Post by 3putts on Mar 16, 2019 7:42:12 GMT
That could be nj tactic to confuse the opposition? But dunna worry I'm back in Stoke now so will be at the game 2 nil to Stoke get your house on it
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Post by 3putts on Mar 16, 2019 7:44:48 GMT
Jones keeps banging on about how he has always embraced youth. Now is the time to prove it. I'm getting sick and tired of these constant calls to play the kids. Did you not see the result against Vale? When nj thinks they are ready they will get their chance just like edwards
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 8:14:27 GMT
That could be nj tactic to confuse the opposition? If he's that scared of Reading...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 8:46:28 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 16, 2019 9:57:48 GMT
Any chance of a few shots today please
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Post by Bagwash on Mar 16, 2019 11:01:34 GMT
Any chance of a few shots today please[/quote This. Let's see an opponents goal keeper earn his corn for a change.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 11:05:23 GMT
Not sure how reliable you are as that page can't be found...
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Post by marrow999 on Mar 16, 2019 11:10:53 GMT
Two games - yes that is 180 minutes of football - and no shots on target.....mmmm Wonder what they have been doing in training?
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