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Post by mermaidsal on Mar 13, 2019 21:57:54 GMT
Cut n paste the story v QPR, really - same strengths, same weaknesses. We're getting more solid game on game and that's great to see, several outstanding defensive performances but we really are so limited moving forward - Nathan's doing it right building from the back, no arguments from me there, a good away point at Derby but up front, either we need a mass clearout of Rowett signings in the summer or for Jones to get us to a new place tactically.
7.5 from me
add * if you were there tonight please
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 22:00:49 GMT
4.
A point is OK.
The nature in which we obtained the point was cowardly, boring and using the squad every inch as badly as Rowett did.
Very very poor.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 13, 2019 22:01:18 GMT
2
for showing absolutely no ambition and dreadful substitutions.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Mar 13, 2019 22:03:38 GMT
6 another clean sheet but nothing going forward. 6 games unbeaten but it seems like we're watching a re-run of Rowett ball. Gouranga.  |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 13, 2019 22:03:45 GMT
Cut n paste the story v QPR, really - same strengths, same weaknesses. We're getting more solid game on game and that's great to see, several outstanding defensive performances but we really are so limited moving forward - Nathan's doing it right building from the back, no arguments from me there, a good away point at Derby but up front, either we need a mass clearout of Rowett signings in the summer or for Jones to get us to a new place tactically. 7.5 from me add * if you were there tonight please 7.5, Sal???? Fuck may, what would you give him if we had a shot on target? 84?! |
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Post by jontimmis on Mar 13, 2019 22:04:13 GMT
I’m not seeing the progress I’m sorry. 11 games in and we are getting 10 men behind the ball and not being expansive or even trying to win the game in my opinion.
I do think shawcross and Batth look strong. But that’s it.
This squad is gonna need another 70m to get it right there’s no way he will be given it, no way. He’ll have to buy cheap and maybe get rid.
Wow. 22 shots on target in 11 games...
You know where the excitement is and it isn’t at Stoke!
3
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Post by Fred Merger on Mar 13, 2019 22:07:45 GMT
7 for not losing against the team I hate the most. But it has to be said that our midfield was completely overrun first half and our front 3 wouldn't scare a lads n dad's side. Oh for even a Tyrese Campbell up front tonight would have caused more problems just about sums our strikers up. And nearly a captain calamity moment from Shawcross at the end. Earlier in the season and that would have been a goal
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Post by staffordstokie31 on Mar 13, 2019 22:14:35 GMT
7.
3 starters out one 1 injured after 15 mins. Derby are having a decent season and most importantly, they are energetic and stretch the midfield for 90 mins.
Subs were fine- he gambled on a new formation because the midfield were getting stretched. From that point we looked tighter (the purpose of the sub). Attacking wise we were feeding off scraps and unfortunately that means you need 1 or 2 players to show a bit of composure, nobody stepped up to the plate. A grind was the only way.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 13, 2019 22:18:36 GMT
I thought he did ok so will go for a solid 7. Would personally like to have seen bojan start but there you go.
I would be more concerned about what the owners are going to do about the boardroom structure than what NJ is up to. NJ has steadied the ship and is creating a solid base on which to build on. He now needs proper talent in the transfer department to help him move forward. That is the real problem.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 13, 2019 22:21:47 GMT
6, hamstrung with the players he can pick because of injury/suspension and hamstrung because of the players he can pick are mostly crap. Decent away point but the players were awful, some of the things they did were unforgivable, no look passing in dangerous areas  |
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Post by Fred Ferret on Mar 13, 2019 22:23:22 GMT
No Vokes,
No Etebo
Lost Benni
Disrupted team
Point away from home
Tight defence
7
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 22:23:28 GMT
7, it was an away point after all and a clean sheet for our much improved defence, but don’t fucking do it again
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Post by wuzza on Mar 13, 2019 22:28:15 GMT
5 - the defence is doing as well as it can.
I’m hoping he hasn’t done any work with the attack because if he has it’s worrying.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Mar 13, 2019 22:47:55 GMT
Clean sheet, an away point 👍
No shots on goal 👎 Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
A very generous 7
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Post by maninasuitcase on Mar 13, 2019 22:57:25 GMT
6
More draw(er)s than Ikea, but at least we look decent at the back.
Just need a front 6 to compliment our new found defensive stinginess.
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Post by LankyPotter on Mar 13, 2019 23:02:44 GMT
I’m not seeing the progress I’m sorry. 11 games in and we are getting 10 men behind the ball and not being expansive or even trying to win the game in my opinion. I do think shawcross and Batth look strong. But that’s it. This squad is gonna need another 70m to get it right there’s no way he will be given it, no way. He’ll have to buy cheap and maybe get rid. Wow. 22 shots on target in 11 games... You know where the excitement is and it isn’t at Stoke! 3 He couldn’t do much more tonight though mate in fairness to him. It was never going to change straight away and it hasn’t but definitely look more solid and are beginning to give ourselves a platform to win matches at the very least. Some players aren’t good enough and that really does kill us but I believe he will get it right in the long run |
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Post by chad on Mar 13, 2019 23:35:22 GMT
* 8 for the result. Less 3 for the performance. Less another one for his negative subs and less one more for even considering Fletcher
So that’s a 3 from me
Very frustrating
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Post by stokeson on Mar 13, 2019 23:52:01 GMT
5. A very Rowett like performance.Shawcross back to his best .McClean strong and working hard .Edwards showing promise for the future and world class from Jack
-2 for the rubbish subs that seem to be Jones blind spot .
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Post by nott1 on Mar 14, 2019 7:25:39 GMT
2 for being Rowett in disguise.
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Post by stokie1947 on Mar 14, 2019 7:28:46 GMT
3- not one shot on goal is pathetic so slow moving forward we need players to inject some pace really boring to watch
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 7:28:48 GMT
7.5. Good away point and 6 unbeaten.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 14, 2019 8:21:44 GMT
10 - his post match celebrations are the only thing worth watching.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 14, 2019 8:31:08 GMT
These are Rowett's players, not our Nathan Jones', people need to remember that when criticising him. (even if I do find his sus frustrating)
6.
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Post by shrewspotter on Mar 14, 2019 8:32:29 GMT
7 from me too. Vokes, Afobe, Etebo and Clucas out although the latter is hardly a loss the others are.
Good point on reflection
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 14, 2019 8:43:46 GMT
Not the most inspiring display (to put it mildly) but a point away to a top 6 side is a good point for a side just below mid table. Like Rowett (and like most managers if we are honest) Jones has decided that the best way to get results for an underperforming side, is to sort the defence out. To his credit I think he has done this - his back 4 is now a decent unit. He hasn't yet got himself a title winning defence but I'm pretty confident that this defence will now stop us doing a Sunderland. Baath has been a good signing but I'd be happier if he had also managed to bring in a good attacking left back.
Obviously we have to be more critical of the midfield and attack - not just last night but in recent games. However, I'd be more concerned were it not for the fact that Etebo and Vokes were both out last night - those two would be in my first choice team every day of the week. I'm gutted we don't have quality replacements for either of them - and expect Jones is equally gutted about that. But a large squad packed with underperforming players on good wages means that scope to sort things out in a tricky January window were limited.
So - an uninspiring performance but we have to hope that Jones is continuing to assess which players can and should be part of his revolution next season.
7 from me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 9:20:05 GMT
I don't know if it's being supportive or gullible but I will take the position Mr Jones is implementing Football Manager and Team Construction 101 - which the first step is build from the back. For the amount of midfielders we have, why can't we find four that can sing a tune together?
It's still a long way to the top, but some of the basics are there.
6.5
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Post by jeycov on Mar 14, 2019 10:10:49 GMT
5. A very Rowett like performance.Shawcross back to his best .McClean strong and working hard .Edwards showing promise for the future and world class from Jack -2 for the rubbish subs that seem to be Jones blind spot . Who would you have preferred as subs? |
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 14, 2019 10:45:38 GMT
These are Rowett's players, not our Nathan Jones', people need to remember that when criticising him. (even if I do find his sus frustrating) 6. What a load of bollox. Rowett had 1 window to turn round a squad that needed completely changing. He brought in some decent editions and it is that and Rowetts time in charge that in more than likely going to keep us up. He like NJ could not turn round the shambles that was left him in 1 window, it is going to take a long time and many changes in the setup of the club before we start seeing improvements. NJ has now had the same amount of windows as Rowett had, so he should be judged in exactly the same way as Rowett was, to blame Rowett for all our woes is just daft. I like NJ he has passion and connects with the fans and works his nads off, but his stats at the amount are alarming/appalling and we are in danger next year if he continues in the same vein. It is hypocrisy to say we need to give NJ time while saying Rowett did a poor job and it was right to get rid him, Rowett did better in his 1 window than NJ did in his and Rowetts results/performances/stats were miles better. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 14, 2019 10:53:06 GMT
These are Rowett's players, not our Nathan Jones', people need to remember that when criticising him. (even if I do find his sus frustrating) 6. What a load of bollox. Rowett had 1 window to turn round a squad that needed completely changing. He brought in some decent editions and it is that and Rowetts time in charge that in more than likely going to keep us up. He like NJ could not turn round the shambles that was left him in 1 window, it is going to take a long time and many changes in the setup of the club before we start seeing improvements. NJ has now had the same amount of windows as Rowett had, so he should be judged in exactly the same way as Rowett was, to blame Rowett for all our woes is just daft. I like NJ he has passion and connects with the fans and works his nads off, but his stats at the amount are alarming/appalling and we are in danger next year if he continues in the same vein. It is hypocrisy to say we need to give NJ time while saying Rowett did a poor job and it was right to get rid him, Rowett did better in his 1 window than NJ did in his and Rowetts results/performances/stats were miles better. Afobe, Ince and McClean are our front 3 and the players Rowett wanted to sign. It has been proven we are severely lacking in attacking intent and quality... how is that not Rowett's fault? I blame Rowett because he spent a fortune on the players HE wanted. Jones has not had that money to spunk, the 2 players he has signed though are decent ones for where we are now. |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 14, 2019 11:01:53 GMT
7*
Happy with a point against a good Derby team.
His hands are tied with the players he has at his disposal.
We look solid at the back.
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