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Post by Absolution on Mar 13, 2019 10:01:04 GMT
If a goalkeeper stood in the perfect position every time, the matchday reports would all just say he'd not been tested and MotD and Sky etc would ignore his contributions. You need the odd hollywood save to get noticed. It's not so much that as the fist pumping, chest puffed out, 'bantz' with the crowd etc. You can't beat a bit of dandruff inspired bantz.
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Post by werrington on Mar 13, 2019 10:29:49 GMT
Dress it up however people wish and I know goalkeeper is slightly different but probably David Nugent and Steve Bull are the only Championship players in the last 25 years to play for England. I'm probably going to be corrected but that's off the top of my head. Butland should make the squad , I don't see him starting. Again the hypocrisy on this board tickles me. He's been slagged off, people saying get Grant back etc. Now all of a sudden he is the best in the country again after two clean sheets against mediocre opposition. Steve Bull was a 3rd division player in Italia90 mate
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 13, 2019 11:13:52 GMT
He's not going to be in the shake-up to dislodge Pickford if he's a mid-table Championship keeper. He can see his international career going over the side of a cliff.
If reports are correct, this time around, he's just about hanging onto the No.3 slot ahead of the Southampton duo, McCarthy and Gunn. Out of sight, out of mind.
I think he'll go this summer.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 13, 2019 11:39:12 GMT
He's not going to be in the shake-up to dislodge Pickford if he's a mid-table Championship keeper. He can see his international career going over the side of a cliff. If reports are correct, this time around, he's just about hanging onto the No.3 slot ahead of the Southampton duo, McCarthy and Gunn. Out of sight, out of mind. I think he'll go this summer. There will be more options for him this time round than last summer you’d think as well.
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Post by BuzzB on Mar 13, 2019 11:43:27 GMT
He has to leave, any Stokie worth their salt would see that. Leicester would be a good fit.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 13, 2019 11:45:37 GMT
Dress it up however people wish and I know goalkeeper is slightly different but probably David Nugent and Steve Bull are the only Championship players in the last 25 years to play for England. I'm probably going to be corrected but that's off the top of my head. Butland should make the squad , I don't see him starting. Again the hypocrisy on this board tickles me. He's been slagged off, people saying get Grant back etc.
Now all of a sudden he is the best in the country again after two clean sheets against mediocre opposition.Isn't that tarring us all with the same brush? I've always supported Butland as many others have and never wanted him out of the side. I hope, probably in vain, he wants to build a status like Banksy and stay with us to get us promoted. If he looks after himself he could play until he's 40. Is there any poster in both camps? i.e. slagging him off and saying he is the best. Incidentally, he has achieved clean sheets in a third of his matches played this season, including non-mediocre Norwich: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47511123Of course, these stats don't count because he plays in the Championship.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 13, 2019 11:50:45 GMT
He has to leave, any Stokie worth their salt would see that. Leicester would be a good fit. They’ve got a few good keepers already I think. Imagine Brendan will want someone reasonable with his feet too if they do change it up. Bournemouth, Palace are probably strong options for him.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 13, 2019 11:55:49 GMT
Dress it up however people wish and I know goalkeeper is slightly different but probably David Nugent and Steve Bull are the only Championship players in the last 25 years to play for England. I'm probably going to be corrected but that's off the top of my head. Butland should make the squad , I don't see him starting. Again the hypocrisy on this board tickles me. He's been slagged off, people saying get Grant back etc. Now all of a sudden he is the best in the country again after two clean sheets against mediocre opposition. Steve Bull was a 3rd division player in Italia90 mate He was in the second at that stage mate Wolves got promoted in 89 and Bullo had been impressive in the second division.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 13, 2019 12:01:35 GMT
Dress it up however people wish and I know goalkeeper is slightly different but probably David Nugent and Steve Bull are the only Championship players in the last 25 years to play for England. I'm probably going to be corrected but that's off the top of my head. Butland should make the squad , I don't see him starting. Again the hypocrisy on this board tickles me. He's been slagged off, people saying get Grant back etc.
Now all of a sudden he is the best in the country again after two clean sheets against mediocre opposition.Isn't that tarring us all with the same brush? I've always supported Butland as many others have and never wanted him out of the side. I hope, probably in vain, he wants to build a status like Banksy and stay with us to get us promoted. If he looks after himself he could play until he's 40. Is there any poster in both camps? i.e. slagging him off and saying he is the best. Incidentally, he has achieved clean sheets in a third of his matches played this season, including non-mediocre Norwich: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47511123Of course, these stats don't count because he plays in the Championship. Like n'zonzi before him some people just don't appreciate how lucky we are to have a keeper of butland's quality. He will only be appreciated when hes no longer here and people actually realise just what we had. Hes our best player by quite some distance.
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Post by lordb on Mar 13, 2019 12:54:42 GMT
Steve Bull was a 3rd division player in Italia90 mate He was in the second at that stage mate Wolves got promoted in 89 and Bullo had been impressive in the second division. he did capped as a 3rd division player, that won't happen again
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Post by mattador78 on Mar 13, 2019 14:10:31 GMT
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Post by StoKeith on Mar 13, 2019 14:11:26 GMT
Every opposition fan I speak to is envious of us having such a quality keeper. I guess we haven’t experienced a bad keeper in a while, so we as fans get complacent.
Anyway, he’s in the England squad again, so I’m pleased for him.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 13, 2019 14:24:09 GMT
Great news that hes in the squad
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Post by toppercorner on Mar 13, 2019 14:32:38 GMT
The Euro 2020 tournament is on the season after next.
In the likely event we don't go up, Butland simply has to leave to be in with a shout. It's a no brainer, and we can't really blame him.
I think he'd actually be willing to go to any prem team, not just a big team, as long as it keeps him in the shop window.
The question for us is, are we looking at replacements already, and who realistically, could be the new number one?
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Post by camstoke10 on Mar 13, 2019 14:36:33 GMT
The Euro 2020 tournament is on the season after next. In the likely event we don't go up, Butland simply has to leave to be in with a shout. It's a no brainer, and we can't really blame him. I think he'd actually be willing to go to any prem team, not just a big team, as long as it keeps him in the shop window. The question for us is, are we looking at replacements already, and who realistically, could be the new number one? there was someone who came on here and said that we had spoken to Blackburn about raya
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Post by toppercorner on Mar 13, 2019 14:50:02 GMT
The Euro 2020 tournament is on the season after next. In the likely event we don't go up, Butland simply has to leave to be in with a shout. It's a no brainer, and we can't really blame him. I think he'd actually be willing to go to any prem team, not just a big team, as long as it keeps him in the shop window. The question for us is, are we looking at replacements already, and who realistically, could be the new number one? there was someone who came on here and said that we had spoken to Blackburn about raya i honestly know zero about other teams keepers. Is he any good, if the rumours are true?
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Post by camstoke10 on Mar 13, 2019 14:55:40 GMT
there was someone who came on here and said that we had spoken to Blackburn about raya i honestly know zero about other teams keepers. Is he any good, if the rumours are true? mot seem much off him, he’s Spanish, around 24, and it a promising goalkeeper, and wouldn’t cost much whatsoever, would be a good singing imo, but we should do everything to keep him of butland
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Post by sheds1862 on Mar 13, 2019 15:18:50 GMT
Dress it up however people wish and I know goalkeeper is slightly different but probably David Nugent and Steve Bull are the only Championship players in the last 25 years to play for England. I'm probably going to be corrected but that's off the top of my head. Butland should make the squad , I don't see him starting. Again the hypocrisy on this board tickles me. He's been slagged off, people saying get Grant back etc.
Now all of a sudden he is the best in the country again after two clean sheets against mediocre opposition.Isn't that tarring us all with the same brush? I've always supported Butland as many others have and never wanted him out of the side. I hope, probably in vain, he wants to build a status like Banksy and stay with us to get us promoted. If he looks after himself he could play until he's 40. Is there any poster in both camps? i.e. slagging him off and saying he is the best. Incidentally, he has achieved clean sheets in a third of his matches played this season, including non-mediocre Norwich: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47511123Of course, these stats don't count because he plays in the Championship. You are correct i was generalising so apologies. Sure you get my drift though. I know you have to take stuff with a pinch of salt but on here i've said before, we win one we are Barcelona, we lose one we are Vale . So many people change their opinions based on knee jerk reaction to a result or an individual error. There have been many scapegoats on here, Adam, Allen, McClean, Afobe, Clucas , Shawcross and Butland. In fact christ that is nearly the whole team. I would bet my last pound there are people now beating the Jack is the best drum who were saying he was cack a few weeks ago. Football is all about opinion, nobody is right or wrong , but at least stick to your opinion not change it to suit. I don't mean your goodself i mean on here in general. A balanced post is always better to read than a suicidal rant after a draw at Reading or a jizz fest after beating Leeds.
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Post by jamesadams112 on Mar 13, 2019 18:39:06 GMT
Just been reading a number of sources including bbc and daily mail for the England selection and noticed they both believe that Tom Heston will be challenging for number 1. Also noticed they were surprised Angus Gunn wasn’t in the team, so realistically can butland challenge again for number 1 or is it just a stoke fans dream?
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Post by greenhoff on Mar 13, 2019 18:55:27 GMT
He can but he won't be playing for us
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 13, 2019 19:44:43 GMT
I think its Southgate trying to back up his comments about it not being an issue what league the players are in, if he stays with us after the summer (unlikely) I'll be surprised if he's ever picked again before he gets a Prem team.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 19:49:11 GMT
He can but he won't be playing for us It would be the same if we were still in the Premier League, he needs a higher profile club if he is to claim the no.1 spot. He's a better keeper than Pickford but he needs the opportunity to prove it.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 13, 2019 19:49:19 GMT
He was in the second at that stage mate Wolves got promoted in 89 and Bullo had been impressive in the second division. he did capped as a 3rd division player, that won't happen again But at Italia 90 he was in the 2nd divi
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Post by andystokey on Mar 13, 2019 20:37:38 GMT
After that first half anyone that thinks Butland isn't good enough for England needs to give their head a wobble.
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Post by werrington on Mar 13, 2019 20:42:24 GMT
After that first half anyone that thinks Butland isn't good enough for England needs to give their head a wobble. We’ve actually got knobheads who think he should be fucked off from Stoke never mind England Two superb and I mean superb saves tonight
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Post by andystokey on Mar 13, 2019 20:46:09 GMT
After that first half anyone that thinks Butland isn't good enough for England needs to give their head a wobble. We’ve actually got knobheads who think he should be fucked off from Stoke never mind England Two superb and I mean superb saves tonight his ability to get down so quick for both was great given his size. No one should ever suspect his shot stopping ability. His distribution I accept and possibly coming for crosses but with 4 defenders who can pass in front of him at England level and it's not an issue.
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Post by liathroid on Mar 13, 2019 21:46:02 GMT
Well Jack done good tonight
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 13, 2019 21:50:06 GMT
I've been a big critic but last few games he's been excellent. Fair play.
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