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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 13:34:40 GMT
So, NJ has been in charge for 10 league games now, and acquired 10 points in the process. When he started I posted about the likely 'bumpy ride' we'd face during the first 8-10 games, and it's certainly seemed to play out that way! Some real low points (Hull and Preston spring to mind) mixed in with 2 very good wins. It does feel like we're coming out a better team at the end of it I must admit. I thought yesterday's showing was an incredibly positive one considering the circumstances, and for 2 and a half games out of the last 3 we've genuinely been the better team than our opponents. We've looked pretty solid and less likely to make those crucial mistakes that were so (so) costly. NJ is starting to look a little more at ease in his press conferences as, I think, the team are starting to show on matchday what he's been demanding of them. We're on a mini run of no defeats and we're looking more like a proper team/unit rather than a bunch of individuals who haven't a clue what the others are doing. There's no denying that results have been disappointing though, and we've really not seen - or at least, I don't think we have - how he will set up offensively in the long-term. We still create very few chances and there's very little pace to our play in the final third. We look fitter and there's more energy to us, for sure, but we still lack cutting edge and genuine quality in our decision making. Hopefully this side of the game will come now we have gained a bit of solidity and consistency in our defensive shape. Progress, but it's been slow. Looking forward to the next phases of development!
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Post by stokeson on Mar 10, 2019 14:45:49 GMT
So, NJ has been in charge for 10 league games now, and acquired 10 points in the process. When he started I posted about the likely 'bumpy ride' we'd face during the first 8-10 games, and it's certainly seemed to play out that way! Some real low points (Hull and Preston spring to mind) mixed in with 2 very good wins. It does feel like we're coming out a better team at the end of it I must admit. I thought yesterday's showing was an incredibly positive one considering the circumstances, and for 2 and a half games out of the last 3 we've genuinely been the better team than our opponents. We've looked pretty solid and less likely to make those crucial mistakes that were so (so) costly. NJ is starting to look a little more at ease in his press conferences as, I think, the team are starting to show on matchday what he's been demanding of them. We're on a mini run of no defeats and we're looking more like a proper team/unit rather than a bunch of individuals who haven't a clue what the others are doing. There's no denying that results have been disappointing though, and we've really not seen - or at least, I don't think we have - how he will set up offensively in the long-term. We still create very few chances and there's very little pace to our play in the final third. We look fitter and there's more energy to us, for sure, but we still lack cutting edge and genuine quality in our decision making. Hopefully this side of the game will come now we have gained a bit of solidity and consistency in our defensive shape. Progress, but it's been slow. Looking forward to the next phases of development! Less points than Rowett ( who I never wanted) no more Diamond and crazy subs. Yep so much progress.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 15:09:58 GMT
So, NJ has been in charge for 10 league games now, and acquired 10 points in the process. When he started I posted about the likely 'bumpy ride' we'd face during the first 8-10 games, and it's certainly seemed to play out that way! Some real low points (Hull and Preston spring to mind) mixed in with 2 very good wins. It does feel like we're coming out a better team at the end of it I must admit. I thought yesterday's showing was an incredibly positive one considering the circumstances, and for 2 and a half games out of the last 3 we've genuinely been the better team than our opponents. We've looked pretty solid and less likely to make those crucial mistakes that were so (so) costly. NJ is starting to look a little more at ease in his press conferences as, I think, the team are starting to show on matchday what he's been demanding of them. We're on a mini run of no defeats and we're looking more like a proper team/unit rather than a bunch of individuals who haven't a clue what the others are doing. There's no denying that results have been disappointing though, and we've really not seen - or at least, I don't think we have - how he will set up offensively in the long-term. We still create very few chances and there's very little pace to our play in the final third. We look fitter and there's more energy to us, for sure, but we still lack cutting edge and genuine quality in our decision making. Hopefully this side of the game will come now we have gained a bit of solidity and consistency in our defensive shape. Progress, but it's been slow. Looking forward to the next phases of development! Less points than Rowett ( who I never wanted) no more Diamond and crazy subs. Yep so much progress. Same number of points after 10 games as GR.
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Post by bhp on Mar 10, 2019 15:20:57 GMT
So, NJ has been in charge for 10 league games now, and acquired 10 points in the process. When he started I posted about the likely 'bumpy ride' we'd face during the first 8-10 games, and it's certainly seemed to play out that way! Some real low points (Hull and Preston spring to mind) mixed in with 2 very good wins. It does feel like we're coming out a better team at the end of it I must admit. I thought yesterday's showing was an incredibly positive one considering the circumstances, and for 2 and a half games out of the last 3 we've genuinely been the better team than our opponents. We've looked pretty solid and less likely to make those crucial mistakes that were so (so) costly. NJ is starting to look a little more at ease in his press conferences as, I think, the team are starting to show on matchday what he's been demanding of them. We're on a mini run of no defeats and we're looking more like a proper team/unit rather than a bunch of individuals who haven't a clue what the others are doing. There's no denying that results have been disappointing though, and we've really not seen - or at least, I don't think we have - how he will set up offensively in the long-term. We still create very few chances and there's very little pace to our play in the final third. We look fitter and there's more energy to us, for sure, but we still lack cutting edge and genuine quality in our decision making. Hopefully this side of the game will come now we have gained a bit of solidity and consistency in our defensive shape. Progress, but it's been slow. Looking forward to the next phases of development! Less points than Rowett ( who I never wanted) no more Diamond and crazy subs. Yep so much progress. GR had a full pre season and his own signings. Was hardly going change over night. Puts us a step ahead for hopefully a much more successful 2019/2020.
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Post by stokeson on Mar 10, 2019 15:31:10 GMT
Less points than Rowett ( who I never wanted) no more Diamond and crazy subs. Yep so much progress. GR had a full pre season and his own signings. Was hardly going change over night. Puts us a step ahead for hopefully a much more successful 2019/2020. Yeah, Yeah ,Yeah .Its the hope that kills us....................
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Post by Gods on Mar 10, 2019 15:39:21 GMT
Rowett must have been 26 games and 35 points when he was dispatched then, so a healthier points per game return if still woefully short of expectations.
If you consider Nathan was able to add Vokes and Batth to the squad it's all been desperately underwhelming. Goals and even shots on target appear to have become a thing of the past. Zero of either again yesterday, admittedly with 10 men but it's not typically been much better with 11 players.
I suppose in the end it all depends on whether you think the whole Nathan Renaissance is heading anywhere. To be honest I'm not convinced it is. I think we are in for an extended stay in this division, I'm putting out the towels, think we are here for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 15:46:05 GMT
Rowett must have been 26 games and 35 points when he was dispatched then, so a healthier points per game return. If you consider Nathan was able to add Vokes and Batth to the squad it's all been desperately underwhelming. Goals and even shots on target appear to have become a thing of the past. Zero of either again yesterday, admittedly with 10 men but it's not typically been much better with 11 players. I suppose in the end it all depends on whether you think the whole thing is heading anywhere. To be honest I'm not convinced it is. I think we are in for an extended stay in this division. Liking your own posts now are you? I don't think anyone could possible be convinced either way 10 games in, another ten and we should have an idea of whether there's something about Nathan or not.
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Post by Gods on Mar 10, 2019 15:50:04 GMT
Rowett must have been 26 games and 35 points when he was dispatched then, so a healthier points per game return. If you consider Nathan was able to add Vokes and Batth to the squad it's all been desperately underwhelming. Goals and even shots on target appear to have become a thing of the past. Zero of either again yesterday, admittedly with 10 men but it's not typically been much better with 11 players. I suppose in the end it all depends on whether you think the whole thing is heading anywhere. To be honest I'm not convinced it is. I think we are in for an extended stay in this division. Liking your own posts now are you? I don't think anyone could possible be convinced either way 10 games in, another ten and we should have an idea of whether there's something about Nathan or not. When it was as good as that one it seems a shame not to, actually it was done in error but I think I'll leave it now!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 16:28:06 GMT
Rowett must have been 26 games and 35 points when he was dispatched then, so a healthier points per game return if still woefully short of expectations. If you consider Nathan was able to add Vokes and Batth to the squad it's all been desperately underwhelming. Goals and even shots on target appear to have become a thing of the past. Zero of either again yesterday, admittedly with 10 men but it's not typically been much better with 11 players. I suppose in the end it all depends on whether you think the whole Nathan Renaissance is heading anywhere. To be honest I'm not convinced it is. I think we are in for an extended stay in this division, I'm putting out the towels, think we are here for a while. As you say, it depends on what lens you're looking through. I don't think anyone can argue that the whole thing (the season and our general play under either manager) has been anything other than underwhelming. I still feel more confident of the future now than at any time under Rowett though. As I said in my initial post, we look much more of a team than we ever did under the previous manager, we look fitter, consistently more solid, and we actually seem to be competitive. That's not to say it's perfect - far from it - but I'm more confident than your good self that NJ can get us competing at the top end of the table sooner rather than later.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 16:40:03 GMT
So, NJ has been in charge for 10 league games now, and acquired 10 points in the process. When he started I posted about the likely 'bumpy ride' we'd face during the first 8-10 games, and it's certainly seemed to play out that way! Some real low points (Hull and Preston spring to mind) mixed in with 2 very good wins. It does feel like we're coming out a better team at the end of it I must admit. I thought yesterday's showing was an incredibly positive one considering the circumstances, and for 2 and a half games out of the last 3 we've genuinely been the better team than our opponents. We've looked pretty solid and less likely to make those crucial mistakes that were so (so) costly. NJ is starting to look a little more at ease in his press conferences as, I think, the team are starting to show on matchday what he's been demanding of them. We're on a mini run of no defeats and we're looking more like a proper team/unit rather than a bunch of individuals who haven't a clue what the others are doing. There's no denying that results have been disappointing though, and we've really not seen - or at least, I don't think we have - how he will set up offensively in the long-term. We still create very few chances and there's very little pace to our play in the final third. We look fitter and there's more energy to us, for sure, but we still lack cutting edge and genuine quality in our decision making. Hopefully this side of the game will come now we have gained a bit of solidity and consistency in our defensive shape. Progress, but it's been slow. Looking forward to the next phases of development! Less points than Rowett ( who I never wanted) no more Diamond and crazy subs. Yep so much progress. Your negativity is boring.
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 10, 2019 17:18:32 GMT
It's not how you start it's how you finish! I believe we are seeing incremental progress, small steps but in the right direction. Will be interesting to see how we are playing as the season ends, some outs and some ins with a summer pre-season will hopefully make us promotion material.
Too early to call yet but I like what I see.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 10, 2019 17:21:06 GMT
Individual players are improving. This is very heartening and bodes well.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 10, 2019 17:43:11 GMT
He can only be judged after the Summer window but it feels like NJ's taking us in the right direction. Back him and he'll have us firing. The biggest problem he'll have is shifting the players he doesn't want. He certainly seems to be able to improve players which is good news for the youngsters coming through.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 17:46:46 GMT
Shawcross has improved under him. BMI has improved under him. Edwards has improved under him. Butland looks more confident that he has in a while. Joe Allen has improved under him. Etebo has improved under him.
McClean has neither improved or regressed under him. Charlie Adam has improved under him, by default of being picked.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 10, 2019 17:56:38 GMT
Shawcross has improved under him. BMI has improved under him. Edwards has improved under him. Butland looks more confident that he has in a while. Joe Allen has improved under him. Etebo has improved under him.
McClean has neither improved or regressed under him. Charlie Adam has improved under him, by default of being picked. Afobe has just put in his best two performances under him
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 10, 2019 18:23:25 GMT
GR had a full pre season and his own signings. Was hardly going change over night. Puts us a step ahead for hopefully a much more successful 2019/2020. Yeah, Yeah ,Yeah .Its the hope that kills us.................... Stop been so bitter Mrs Rowett 😎
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 18:32:35 GMT
Less points than Rowett ( who I never wanted) no more Diamond and crazy subs. Yep so much progress. Your negativity is boring. And yours.
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Post by stokeson on Mar 10, 2019 18:34:52 GMT
What a load of tosh this thread has been Shawcross improving under jones,Allen improving get a grip. I was never a Rowett fan just gave him a fair crack and will do the same with Jones but people get real.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 18:37:33 GMT
Your negativity is boring. And yours. Says the poster who still thinks we can get relegated.
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Post by stokeson on Mar 10, 2019 18:45:09 GMT
Says the poster who still thinks we can get relegated. Well we could. We wont but no thanks to a point a game .
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Post by march4 on Mar 10, 2019 18:45:17 GMT
For the first time since TP left I believe we have a coaching team who will improve individual players.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 18:51:36 GMT
Says the poster who still thinks we can get relegated. Well we could. We wont but no thanks to a point a game . Anybody still mentioning the possibility of being relegated is talking nonsense.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 10, 2019 18:58:16 GMT
What a load of tosh this thread has been Shawcross improving under jones,Allen improving get a grip. I was never a Rowett fan just gave him a fair crack and will do the same with Jones but people get real. You talk some shit. You claim you will give Jones a fair crack yet on every thread since his appointment you have done nothing but moan about him.
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Post by stokeson on Mar 10, 2019 19:26:10 GMT
What a load of tosh this thread has been Shawcross improving under jones,Allen improving get a grip. I was never a Rowett fan just gave him a fair crack and will do the same with Jones but people get real. You talk some shit. You claim you will give Jones a fair crack yet on every thread since his appointment you have done nothing but moan about him. And you sir are one of the happiest clappers for Jones on this board .When hes done something I will Join you not befor.
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Post by Gods on Mar 10, 2019 19:26:13 GMT
Shawcross has improved under him. BMI has improved under him. Edwards has improved under him. Butland looks more confident that he has in a while. Joe Allen has improved under him. Etebo has improved under him.
McClean has neither improved or regressed under him. Charlie Adam has improved under him, by default of being picked. I think all that may be true, but serious question, if it is why are we garnering so few points? It's not like we have been struck down with some awful bad luck, we're quite capable of going through 90 minutes with no more than 1 or 2 on target shots. There are times where you wonder if we exist as an attacking force at all. Hopefully it's all about to just 'click' and I'm missing something.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 10, 2019 19:30:25 GMT
You talk some shit. You claim you will give Jones a fair crack yet on every thread since his appointment you have done nothing but moan about him. And you sir are one of the happiest clappers for Jones on this board .When hes done something I will Join you not befor. As I have said before to you, getting behind the new manager and wanting him to do well is not 'happy clapping' it is supporting the team I support. You are an absolute weapon who loves to moan about everything Stoke. Fuck ya Sen off down the Vale.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 19:38:40 GMT
Shawcross has improved under him. BMI has improved under him. Edwards has improved under him. Butland looks more confident that he has in a while. Joe Allen has improved under him. Etebo has improved under him.
McClean has neither improved or regressed under him. Charlie Adam has improved under him, by default of being picked. I think all that may be true, but serious question, if it is why are we garnering so few points? It's not like we have been struck down with some awful bad luck, we're quite capable of going through 90 minutes with no more than 1 or 2 on target shots. There are times where you wonder if we exist as an attacking force at all. Hopefully it's all about to just 'click' and I'm missing something. That's the million dollar question. Our shots on target stat has increased recently, until yesterday, which is a bit of an outlier because of the circumstances. The good thing is the manager himself openly acknowledges that we are nowhere near where he wants us to be as an attacking force, both technically and physically. Exciting times lie ahead. Let's hope he is backed with players both in and out.
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Post by leicspotter on Mar 10, 2019 19:45:28 GMT
Our history is littered with players* who have come in, made an early impression, then faded away (maybe some managers too). When NJ was appointed I hoped that he would make a "steady" start, rather than some short-term quick fix, and this is how it seems to be panning out. A bit like most jobs, you want to take a little time to build a solid base before starting to really put your mark on the business, if you're going to be in it for the long haul
* Goodwin, John Tudor, Marc Goodfellow, Danielson, Rikki Dadason; Imbula to name just a few.
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Post by stokeson on Mar 10, 2019 20:28:23 GMT
And you sir are one of the happiest clappers for Jones on this board .When hes done something I will Join you not befor. As I have said before to you, getting behind the new manager and wanting him to do well is not 'happy clapping' it is supporting the team I support. You are an absolute weapon who loves to moan about everything Stoke. Fuck ya Sen off down the Vale. Yes and Ive been moaning for 50 plus years when I see shit. Stoke is my team just a pity I have to share it with you.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 10, 2019 20:32:57 GMT
Shawcross has improved under him. BMI has improved under him. Edwards has improved under him. Butland looks more confident that he has in a while. Joe Allen has improved under him. Etebo has improved under him.
McClean has neither improved or regressed under him. Charlie Adam has improved under him, by default of being picked. Afobe has just put in his best two performances under him I agree. I can't wait for him to give Bojan an extended run. Then we might crack the problem of creation and scoring goals. I have one issue with the OP. I thought we were quite good for 60 minutes at Hull and had Vokes not missed the penalty Bojan might have stayed on and we won the game. Our Achilles heel that day was Clucas.
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