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Post by nott1 on Mar 13, 2019 22:00:41 GMT
Definitely worse. It’s negative in the same way, but it’s just a clueless mess as well, it’s unfathomable what we’re actually trying to do. We are trying to get to the end of the season then we will have a clear out and rebuild! What is so difficult to understand? I'm in if it includes the manager too.
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Post by stokie1947 on Mar 13, 2019 22:02:45 GMT
no shots on goal says it all
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Post by marcofstoke on Mar 13, 2019 22:02:47 GMT
We are trying to get to the end of the season then we will have a clear out and rebuild! What is so difficult to understand? So we can’t do that and (try to) win games? OK. With the squad we have? Tighten up the defence and go six games unbeaten
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Post by ChiefWiggum on Mar 13, 2019 22:04:13 GMT
So we can’t do that and (try to) win games? OK. With the squad we have? Tighten up the defence and go six games unbeaten Ambition
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 13, 2019 22:04:22 GMT
Really didn't see how much worse Verlinden could have been than Ince in the last 20.. Surely one of the younger midfielders could have come on instead of Fletcher?.. Really really need vibrant athletes to compete in midfield.
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Post by marcofstoke on Mar 13, 2019 22:04:42 GMT
We are trying to get to the end of the season then we will have a clear out and rebuild! What is so difficult to understand? I'm in if it includes the manager too. Come back and give your comments on the manager next season and be brave enough to admit you got it wrong
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Post by marcofstoke on Mar 13, 2019 22:06:12 GMT
Another good clean sheet! Playing against a team competing for the play offs. It is clear to see the benefit of Nathan Jones as manager! Only one of his signings was on the pitch and he was an inspiration! Otherwise Jones can only work with the players he has available! Tonight he had no Vokes, Etebo or Clucas and yet we did not lose! Are we setting the world alight yet? Of course we are not but if all you moaning idiots can put your brains into gear you might realise that after another transfer window and a pre season of further progress even you might realise how dumb you are being at the moment! Very good post! There really are some impatient clowns on here
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 13, 2019 22:06:24 GMT
Bringing Bojan on would have made things worse imo, not because he's no good but because they were going through our midfield with ease, Bojan wouldn't have helped that, it was dire dire stuff but when experienced Prem players (Adam & Allen) can't make simple passes to a team mate its never going to go well. He helps move things forward though which we saw the other week helps us because we weren’t losing the ball in midfield all the time and having to sit back against some relentless onslaught. We can’t continue to play exactly the same type of midfielder and expect anything to change. You have to take a risk and I don’t think there’s any evidence this season that that’s as big a risk as is made out. When he has started we have either been drawing or winning when he’s been taken off. This is an argument I don’t want and won’t win I know but I am just saying my thoughts. I am too bored and depressed after watching that. I just don’t see what we really have to lose at this point and why we are being made to suffer this for no reason. Take a fucking risk NJ. It isn't a win or lose argument for anyone tbf, its just a difference of opinion, I can see where you're coming from but we looked better after he went off the last time we played and thats what Jones has to go off.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 13, 2019 22:07:37 GMT
We are trying to get to the end of the season then we will have a clear out and rebuild! What is so difficult to understand? I'm in if it includes the manager too. Out of interest, do you think Jones has actually had enough time taking into consideration what he's had to work with, money, squad etc?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 22:08:21 GMT
Another good clean sheet! Playing against a team competing for the play offs. It is clear to see the benefit of Nathan Jones as manager! Only one of his signings was on the pitch and he was an inspiration! Otherwise Jones can only work with the players he has available! Tonight he had no Vokes, Etebo or Clucas and yet we did not lose! Are we setting the world alight yet? Of course we are not but if all you moaning idiots can put your brains into gear you might realise that after another transfer window and a pre season of further progress even you might realise how dumb you are being at the moment! Very good post! There really are some impatient clowns on here Not really, we’ve been wank for 3 years.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 13, 2019 22:08:59 GMT
Really didn't see how much worse Verlinden could have been than Ince in the last 20.. Surely one of the younger midfielders could have come on instead of Fletcher?.. Really really need vibrant athletes to compete in midfield. Not the right time to blood a youngster really.
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Post by stokie1954 on Mar 13, 2019 22:09:40 GMT
Another good clean sheet! Playing against a team competing for the play offs. It is clear to see the benefit of Nathan Jones as manager! Only one of his signings was on the pitch and he was an inspiration! Otherwise Jones can only work with the players he has available! Tonight he had no Vokes, Etebo or Clucas and yet we did not lose! Are we setting the world alight yet? Of course we are not but if all you moaning idiots can put your brains into gear you might realise that after another transfer window and a pre season of further progress even you might realise how dumb you are being at the moment! And another game with not a shot on target!. Is that another of you're positives?. Still, if all Stoke fans are dumb we all bow to you're superiority!. Now, fuck off.
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Post by stokiednk on Mar 13, 2019 22:10:43 GMT
no shots on goal says it all Doesn't a header hitting the post count as on target?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 22:11:49 GMT
He helps move things forward though which we saw the other week helps us because we weren’t losing the ball in midfield all the time and having to sit back against some relentless onslaught. We can’t continue to play exactly the same type of midfielder and expect anything to change. You have to take a risk and I don’t think there’s any evidence this season that that’s as big a risk as is made out. When he has started we have either been drawing or winning when he’s been taken off. This is an argument I don’t want and won’t win I know but I am just saying my thoughts. I am too bored and depressed after watching that. I just don’t see what we really have to lose at this point and why we are being made to suffer this for no reason. Take a fucking risk NJ. It isn't a win or lose argument for anyone tbf, its just a difference of opinion, I can see where you're coming from but we looked better after he went off the last time we played and thats what Jones has to go off. I feel that was only because Ince decided to rock up. Weirdly. Considering he doesn’t normally bother. And I feel today when we’re missing Etebo you need that little bit more because although Etebo is pretty solid defensively he does in the main always seek to drive forward. I mean he can even sometimes dribble the ball around an opposition player which not of the other really can. Bojan although not in the same way usually has a trick or two up his sleeve to similarly move the ball forwards and also get round an opposition player...just my opinion
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Post by marcofstoke on Mar 13, 2019 22:13:54 GMT
Very good post! There really are some impatient clowns on here Not really, we’ve been wank for 3 years. Nathan Jones has been here for five minutes! Have some patience and he will give us a good team Only one player tonight was his signing and he was outstanding!
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Post by sheds1862 on Mar 13, 2019 22:15:39 GMT
I'm in if it includes the manager too. Out of interest, do you think Jones has actually had enough time taking into consideration what he's had to work with, money, squad etc? He's spent 12 million, granted Vokes is injured
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Post by silverdollar on Mar 13, 2019 22:15:58 GMT
Another good clean sheet! Playing against a team competing for the play offs. It is clear to see the benefit of Nathan Jones as manager! Only one of his signings was on the pitch and he was an inspiration! Otherwise Jones can only work with the players he has available! Tonight he had no Vokes, Etebo or Clucas and yet we did not lose! Are we setting the world alight yet? Of course we are not but if all you moaning idiots can put your brains into gear you might realise that after another transfer window and a pre season of further progress even you might realise how dumb you are being at the moment! And another game with not a shot on target!. Is that another of you're positives?. Still, if all Stoke fans are dumb we all bow to you're superiority!. Now, fuck off. Thank you for reinforcing what I said!
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 13, 2019 22:16:34 GMT
A good point away and a clean sheet.Derby started as the better side but we tamed them. Not pretty but effective. Not losing away is ok but we need to win at home.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 13, 2019 22:17:32 GMT
Out of interest, do you think Jones has actually had enough time taking into consideration what he's had to work with, money, squad etc? He's spent 12 million, granted Vokes is injured I know he has, but two players was never going to be enough to make a huge difference was it, we all know its going to take a lot more than that to sort this squad out. Edit, to add, I think he's spent that 12 mil quite well tbh.
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Post by NassauDave on Mar 13, 2019 22:19:26 GMT
We really are shite.
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Post by sheds1862 on Mar 13, 2019 22:19:48 GMT
He's spent 12 million, granted Vokes is injured I know he has, but two players was never going to be enough to make a huge difference was it, we all know its going to take a lot more than that to sort this squad out. The reality mate is despite plenty of Deadwood we have only just signed Clucas Woods Afobe Ince McLean They aren't going anywhere Fletcher, Winner, maybe Adam , Cameron does not really address the bigger picture if they are released
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Post by sheds1862 on Mar 13, 2019 22:20:21 GMT
Wimmer
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 22:29:05 GMT
Not really, we’ve been wank for 3 years. Nathan Jones has been here for five minutes! Have some patience and he will give us a good team Only one player tonight was his signing and he was outstanding! Batth and Vokes will prove to be good signings, I don’t doubt that. Nathan Jones has a plan, knows what he wants, and in terms of his character, hunger and desire, I couldn’t wish for anyone else to be managing us right now. I just haven’t had the same ‘epiphany’ that some others seem to have had; not enough yet, to suggest that he’s going to get it right. He’s making weird decisions all over the shop. We’ve become so negative, it’s frightening. Players have gone backwards since he arrived (for balance, some have improved). Two of our best performances of the season have been under him, but at the same time, Derby at Home was on Rowett’s watch, as was Sheff Weds away. I really do feel he’s underperformed since he’s been here. That’s just my opinion. It’s not his squad, I get that. But we’ve not kicked on at all, really, and you can’t say that it’s because these players don’t give a shit, otherwise you wouldn’t have got the Leeds or Forest performances. I’m way more pissed off at non-performances from individual players, mind, than I am the manager.
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Post by andystokey on Mar 13, 2019 22:34:47 GMT
We would have lost this 10 games ago. Three teams 1 home and 2 away never looked like scoring against us. Despite the personnel available there is no doubting that the team look united again. He has instilled a spirit that wasn't there before. Virtually everyone on this board wanted ever last man of them gone. We are starting to see a defence that believe in each other for the first time since Wilco Shawcross Huth and Higgy.
For my twopenneth Tom Edwards has improved enormously and Shawcross looks back to his imperious best. Baath put everything on the line and Butland looked every inch an England player today.
The best managers in my lifetime Waddo, Durban, Macari and TP started their respective reigns with a defence that virtually gauranteed a zero in the against column every week. Once they got that sorted they built 4 teams that gave me the best years as a Stoke fan.
Let's see if that foundation can be built on and then judge NJ.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 13, 2019 22:35:11 GMT
Nathan Jones has been here for five minutes! Have some patience and he will give us a good team Only one player tonight was his signing and he was outstanding! Batth and Vokes will prove to be good signings, I don’t doubt that. Nathan Jones has a plan, knows what he wants, and in terms of his character, hunger and desire, I couldn’t wish for anyone else to be managing us right now. I just haven’t had the same ‘epiphany’ that some others seem to have had; not enough yet, to suggest that he’s going to get it right. He’s making weird decisions all over the shop. We’ve become so negative, it’s frightening. Players have gone backwards since he arrived (for balance, some have improved). Two of our best performances of the season have been under him, but at the same time, Derby at Home was on Rowett’s watch, as was Sheff Weds away. I really do feel he’s underperformed since he’s been here. That’s just my opinion. It’s not his squad, I get that. But we’ve not kicked on at all, really, and you can’t say that it’s because these players don’t give a shit, otherwise you wouldn’t have got the Leeds or Forest performances. I’m way more pissed off at non-performances from individual players, mind, than I am the manager. Probably one of the better posts on here tonight. It’s frustrating and a bit bizarre at times but I think he’ll get it right. This place has very little middle ground or balance, after Forest some were talking about a late push for play off spot!!!
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Post by stonescfc on Mar 14, 2019 5:52:10 GMT
One thing which stood out for me tonight was how bad we are at the basics. Our first touch across the park was bloody dire and this is one of the reasons we look so slow in possession. I swear at one point Diouf had three goes at controlling a simple pass to feet!! Passing was also rubbish - passes behind players, hospital balls a plenty , god only knows what Woods is seeing! My biggest gripe is fucking throw ins! We don’t mark up when other teams have them and allow them to do a quick one-two to feet and when we have one this simple skill seems beyond us it’s actually embarrassing as I’ve seen kids teams take them better.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Mar 14, 2019 6:40:10 GMT
One thing which stood out for me tonight was how bad we are at the basics. Our first touch across the park was bloody dire and this is one of the reasons we look so slow in possession. I swear at one point Diouf had three goes at controlling a simple pass to feet!! Passing was also rubbish - passes behind players, hospital balls a plenty , god only knows what Woods is seeing! My biggest gripe is fucking throw ins! We don’t mark up when other teams have them and allow them to do a quick one-two to feet and when we have one this simple skill seems beyond us it’s actually embarrassing as I’ve seen kids teams take them better. So often our first touch takes us 10-20 yards back towards our own goal and that’s often because we need several touches to control it. I don’t think I’ve seen another side who break with a ball then through poor control have to bring the ball all the way towards the defence.
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Post by mattyd on Mar 14, 2019 8:09:17 GMT
For anyone who missed it here are the highlights of last nights game.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 14, 2019 9:38:05 GMT
One thing which stood out for me tonight was how bad we are at the basics. Our first touch across the park was bloody dire and this is one of the reasons we look so slow in possession. I swear at one point Diouf had three goes at controlling a simple pass to feet!! Passing was also rubbish - passes behind players, hospital balls a plenty , god only knows what Woods is seeing! My biggest gripe is fucking throw ins! We don’t mark up when other teams have them and allow them to do a quick one-two to feet and when we have one this simple skill seems beyond us it’s actually embarrassing as I’ve seen kids teams take them better. So often our first touch takes us 10-20 yards back towards our own goal and that’s often because we need several touches to control it. I don’t think I’ve seen another side who break with a ball then through poor control have to bring the ball all the way towards the defence. Have you noticed that whenever we get an throw-in within 20 yards of their goal-line we either a) lose possession, or b) it ends up back to Butland who boots up the field?
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Post by Clem Fandango on Mar 14, 2019 9:43:20 GMT
So often our first touch takes us 10-20 yards back towards our own goal and that’s often because we need several touches to control it. I don’t think I’ve seen another side who break with a ball then through poor control have to bring the ball all the way towards the defence. Have you noticed that whenever we get an throw-in within 20 yards of their goal-line we either a) lose possession, or b) it ends up back to Butland who boots up the field? Yeah mate its shocking really. Butland pretty just boots it back to the opposition because the striker doesnt win it or hold up.
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