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Post by felonious on Mar 7, 2019 18:36:24 GMT
That says either jacko did the same or they got their stories straight between each other. In my eyes he will never be guilty nor will he ever be innocent. Not enough facts or evidence to suggest 100% on either side. Being a weird childlike adult is not proof neither is there stories. The whole thing is very one sided This is a V different tone that you’re taking to the one dished out to the McCann’s... You don't think Salop went to Neverland as a young boy, do you?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 18:43:14 GMT
watched part 1 last night and Michael was a fucked up individual, if indeed it is true then there is no justification for what he did to these kids but he was facilitated by people around him, the story one mum told about how her room was moved further and further away from Michael's room where her boy was sleeping shows a large conspiracy here someone with sense..."if indeed it is true" Innocent until proven guilty, i thought that was the Law in England, easy for people to make things up after someone has died and not giving the accused a right to defend.
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 7, 2019 18:52:19 GMT
This is a V different tone that you’re taking to the one dished out to the McCann’s... You don't think Salop went to Neverland as a young boy, do you? I think he’s got the back catalogue of Jocko 12” he’s trying to shift on EBay & they’re devaluing faster than Debenhams shares📉
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Post by salopstick on Mar 7, 2019 19:01:30 GMT
That says either jacko did the same or they got their stories straight between each other. In my eyes he will never be guilty nor will he ever be innocent. Not enough facts or evidence to suggest 100% on either side. Being a weird childlike adult is not proof neither is there stories. The whole thing is very one sided This is a V different tone that you’re taking to the one dished out to the McCann’s... The McCann’s very own story points to parental neglect. Totally different What you cant do in some not all but some cases is come out with accusations with no evidence against dead people who can’t respond. All you get is claim and counter claim. I followed the trial and the chandler case before it. A lot of the accusations were money led and had other things like custody cases, not paying child support etc. There was always just like in this case a greed motivation along side the accusations. This taints any accusations because are they doing it for justice or for $100 million. The metoo movement allows any accusations to be made and some mud will stick but I haven’t seen a shred of evidence to prove or disprove any side
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Post by kelw on Mar 7, 2019 22:16:50 GMT
This is a V different tone that you’re taking to the one dished out to the McCann’s... The McCann’s very own story points to parental neglect. Totally different What you cant do in some not all but some cases is come out with accusations with no evidence against dead people who can’t respond. All you get is claim and counter claim. I followed the trial and the chandler case before it. A lot of the accusations were money led and had other things like custody cases, not paying child support etc. There was always just like in this case a greed motivation along side the accusations. This taints any accusations because are they doing it for justice or for $100 million. The metoo movement allows any accusations to be made and some mud will stick but I haven’t seen a shred of evidence to prove or disprove any side Didn't he pay some kid $20 million odd to go away? Why? Surely the Jimmy Savile investigation was fine after his death so why not MJ? His obsession with young kids is not normal behaviour to be fair. As for the McCanns, there is actual evidence that could lead to an arrest if the incident hadn't happened in Portugal. Criminal profiler Pat Brown pointed out 13 incidents in the case if it had happened in say the USA that would have stood up.
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Post by kelw on Mar 8, 2019 9:37:52 GMT
This is a V different tone that you’re taking to the one dished out to the McCann’s... You don't think Salop went to Neverland as a young boy, do you? I think he operated the ride, Magic Mountain Kid Fiddler Inferno People who like his music simply seem to be in denial. Amazing when people do give evidence it is immediately put down as lies and money making schemes. As for cameras in Neverland- I doubt he had them in his private quarters, in fact he had alarm systems to warn of people coming there it seems. Hard to believe that some claim that hanging out with very young boys is normal as he never had a childhood etc and use a court case in the USA by the wealthiest person in entertainment as evidence . In the court case itself, Neverland staff accused Jackson, several of his victims testified against him whilst celebrity friends appeared as character witnesses ( never understand this in court cases). 3 of the jury found him guilty, one said he thought he had done it but voted not guilty and the 'reasonable doubt' affected 3 others it was later revealed. He did previously pay a former accuser $22 million in an out of court settlement. You do feel that if he was caught red handed with doing the deed with a 7 year old then some would say he slipped.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Mar 8, 2019 13:22:07 GMT
Just a question... if there was any official doubt and evidence against MJ‘s relationships with children, wouldn’t he be barred from looking after his own children with whom he was more and more publicly involved with?
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Post by Goonie on Mar 8, 2019 15:35:01 GMT
You don't think Salop went to Neverland as a young boy, do you? I think he operated the ride, Magic Mountain Kid Fiddler Inferno People who like his music simply seem to be in denial. Amazing when people do give evidence it is immediately put down as lies and money making schemes. As for cameras in Neverland- I doubt he had them in his private quarters, in fact he had alarm systems to warn of people coming there it seems. Hard to believe that some claim that hanging out with very young boys is normal as he never had a childhood etc and use a court case in the USA by the wealthiest person in entertainment as evidence . In the court case itself, Neverland staff accused Jackson, several of his victims testified against him whilst celebrity friends appeared as character witnesses ( never understand this in court cases). 3 of the jury found him guilty, one said he thought he had done it but voted not guilty and the 'reasonable doubt' affected 3 others it was later revealed. He did previously pay a former accuser $22 million in an out of court settlement. You do feel that if he was caught red handed with doing the deed with a 7 year old then some would say he slipped. 'Hard to believe that some claim that hanging out with very young boys is normal as he never had a childhood etc and use a court case in the USA by the wealthiest person in entertainment as evidence '. Actually it's a very strong argument- as a male I have never possessed a vulva and yet I hang out on here with loads of them 😉
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Post by Goonie on Mar 8, 2019 16:17:42 GMT
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Post by Goonie on Mar 8, 2019 16:22:10 GMT
The best summing up:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 16:25:49 GMT
Seems he's still popular with some people.
AOL and several other websites are reporting that
"demand for Jackson's music has surged after Leaving Neverland was shown. Jackson’s Number Ones album, his greatest hits compilation The Essential Michael Jackson, Bad and Thriller have all been selling "robustly" since the documentary was shown.
Radio stations in Canada, New Zealand, Australia and the Netherlands have removed Jackson’s songs from their playlists following the documentary.
However, stations in the UK have not pulled the singer’s music, with a BBC spokesperson confirming that they do not ban artists. “We consider each piece of music on its merits and decisions on what we play on different networks are always made with relevant audiences and context in mind,” the spokesperson said.
Meanwhile, Virgin Radio said that Jackson is “not very relevant” to their listeners. “Virgin Radio may have on occasion played a Michael Jackson track in the past in features, but as an artist he is not especially popular with our listeners and so isn’t a Virgin artist,” a spokesperson said. “So there is no change in policy as he is just not very relevant to Virgin Radio.”
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 8, 2019 17:41:37 GMT
Seems he's still popular with some people. AOL and several other websites are reporting that "demand for Jackson's music has surged after Leaving Neverland was shown. Jackson’s Number Ones album, his greatest hits compilation The Essential Michael Jackson, Bad and Thriller have all been selling "robustly" since the documentary was shown. Radio stations in Canada, New Zealand, Australia and the Netherlands have removed Jackson’s songs from their playlists following the documentary. However, stations in the UK have not pulled the singer’s music, with a BBC spokesperson confirming that they do not ban artists. “We consider each piece of music on its merits and decisions on what we play on different networks are always made with relevant audiences and context in mind,” the spokesperson said. Meanwhile, Virgin Radio said that Jackson is “not very relevant” to their listeners. “Virgin Radio may have on occasion played a Michael Jackson track in the past in features, but as an artist he is not especially popular with our listeners and so isn’t a Virgin artist,” a spokesperson said. “So there is no change in policy as he is just not very relevant to Virgin Radio.” I hate to say it, but a lot of the same people who stand by Jackson, stood by OJ Simpson.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 8, 2019 17:59:42 GMT
Apparently this Wade was in a relationship with jackos niece for over7 years around the same time.
Doesn’t prove or disprove anything but it shows the documentary is very one sided and doesn’t have all the facts
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Mar 8, 2019 18:00:44 GMT
I can't believe anyone thinks 'Jacko' wasn't a kiddy fiddler.
Sleeping with little boys.
Hanging babies off balonies.
Paying off huge amounts of money to his victims.
Yet still people defend him..
FFS.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 8, 2019 18:11:40 GMT
I can't believe anyone thinks 'Jacko' wasn't a kiddy fiddler. Sleeping with little boys. Hanging babies off balonies. Paying off huge amounts of money to his victims. Yet still people defend him.. FFS. As a mate of mine said "Why was it always boys?", meaning if it was just an innocent thing, why didn't he have girls over, too? Creepy as fuck. Just the way he looked from the mid eighties on should have been enough to put people off.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Mar 8, 2019 18:15:10 GMT
I can't believe anyone thinks 'Jacko' wasn't a kiddy fiddler. Sleeping with little boys. Hanging babies off balonies. Paying off huge amounts of money to his victims. Yet still people defend him.. FFS. As a mate of mine said "Why was it always boys?", meaning if it was just an innocent thing, why didn't he have girls over, too? Creepy as fuck. Just the way he looked from the mid eighties on should have been enough to put people off. I feel sorry for that monkey he was shagging.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 8, 2019 18:19:16 GMT
As a mate of mine said "Why was it always boys?", meaning if it was just an innocent thing, why didn't he have girls over, too? Creepy as fuck. Just the way he looked from the mid eighties on should have been enough to put people off. I feel sorry for that monkey he was shagging. He's still alive, apparently. Wonder if he'll bubble Jackson?
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Post by felonious on Mar 8, 2019 19:03:59 GMT
Apparently this Wade was in a relationship with jackos niece for over7 years around the same time. Doesn’t prove or disprove anything but it shows the documentary is very one sided and doesn’t have all the facts Did you watch it.
Both men grew up met very nice women, got married, kept their secrets from their families and their wives and eventually the pressure caused them to have breakdowns. One had a successful career, the other struggled. It seemed the turning point in both cases was having children of their own.
Jackson ingratiated himself into their families and when the truth came out both families imploded. The successful one, Wade, assumed that if he told the truth his career would be over. He was the choreographer for both Britney Spears and N Sync plus other businesses alongside. He testified for Michael Jackson under duress from Jackson and under pressure from his own family who believed he should help Jackson as a friend. The other one James refused to help Jackson and told him not to contact him again. Both these boys were screwed up by the abuse which started at the age of 7 together with what they both describe as kindness which went alongside the abuse.
Wade's father topped himself. The pain etched on the face of his mother, brother and sister would have been impossible to fake. I felt genuinely gutted for the other guy and hoped that with his wife and child he could somehow have a fulfilling life. Both of these men are left with no love for their mothers.
Jackson was an exceptionally clever man and completely in charge of his life. Both these men follow the usual pattern of denial exhibited by most abuse victims. The Wade character was in absolute denial.
These boys were both dumped when the latest model came along and kept hanging on useful for Jacksons kiddie fiddling trials. There will no doubt be many more out there. The Jackson lawyer who stood up at his instruction and issued the stark warning that they would go all out after any accusers probably closed the door to many victims. Chilling.
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Post by felonious on Mar 8, 2019 19:06:42 GMT
Seems he's still popular with some people. AOL and several other websites are reporting that "demand for Jackson's music has surged after Leaving Neverland was shown. Jackson’s Number Ones album, his greatest hits compilation The Essential Michael Jackson, Bad and Thriller have all been selling "robustly" since the documentary was shown. Radio stations in Canada, New Zealand, Australia and the Netherlands have removed Jackson’s songs from their playlists following the documentary. However, stations in the UK have not pulled the singer’s music, with a BBC spokesperson confirming that they do not ban artists. “We consider each piece of music on its merits and decisions on what we play on different networks are always made with relevant audiences and context in mind,” the spokesperson said. Meanwhile, Virgin Radio said that Jackson is “not very relevant” to their listeners. “Virgin Radio may have on occasion played a Michael Jackson track in the past in features, but as an artist he is not especially popular with our listeners and so isn’t a Virgin artist,” a spokesperson said. “So there is no change in policy as he is just not very relevant to Virgin Radio.” That's interesting Deeside. I've switched many a channel over the years when this pervert's music has been played. No doubt the BBC will be under pressure now.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 8, 2019 19:12:22 GMT
Apparently this Wade was in a relationship with jackos niece for over7 years around the same time. Doesn’t prove or disprove anything but it shows the documentary is very one sided and doesn’t have all the facts Did you watch it.
Both men grew up met very nice women, got married, kept their secrets from their families and their wives and eventually the pressure caused them to have breakdowns. One had a successful career, the other struggled. It seemed the turning point in both cases was having children of their own.
Jackson ingratiated himself into their families and when the truth came out both families imploded. The successful one, Wade, assumed that if he told the truth his career would be over. He was the choreographer for both Britney Spears and N Sync plus other businesses alongside. He testified for Michael Jackson under duress from Jackson and under pressure from his own family who believed he should help Jackson as a friend. The other one James refused to help Jackson and told him not to contact him again. Both these boys were screwed up by the abuse which started at the age of 7 together with what they both describe as kindness which went alongside the abuse.
Wade's father topped himself. The pain etched on the face of his mother, brother and sister would have been impossible to fake. I felt genuinely gutted for the other guy and hoped that with his wife and child he could somehow have a fulfilling life. Both of these men are left with no love for their mothers.
Jackson was an exceptionally clever man and completely in charge of his life. Both these men follow the usual pattern of denial exhibited by most abuse victims. The Wade character was in absolute denial.
These boys were both dumped when the latest model came along and kept hanging on useful for Jacksons kiddie fiddling trials. There will no doubt be many more out there. The Jackson lawyer who stood up at his instruction and issued the stark warning that they would go all out after any accusers probably closed the door to many victims. Chilling.
Brilliantly summed up.
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Post by kelw on Mar 9, 2019 6:30:26 GMT
Apparently this Wade was in a relationship with jackos niece for over7 years around the same time. Doesn’t prove or disprove anything but it shows the documentary is very one sided and doesn’t have all the facts Did you watch it.
Both men grew up met very nice women, got married, kept their secrets from their families and their wives and eventually the pressure caused them to have breakdowns. One had a successful career, the other struggled. It seemed the turning point in both cases was having children of their own.
Jackson ingratiated himself into their families and when the truth came out both families imploded. The successful one, Wade, assumed that if he told the truth his career would be over. He was the choreographer for both Britney Spears and N Sync plus other businesses alongside. He testified for Michael Jackson under duress from Jackson and under pressure from his own family who believed he should help Jackson as a friend. The other one James refused to help Jackson and told him not to contact him again. Both these boys were screwed up by the abuse which started at the age of 7 together with what they both describe as kindness which went alongside the abuse.
Wade's father topped himself. The pain etched on the face of his mother, brother and sister would have been impossible to fake. I felt genuinely gutted for the other guy and hoped that with his wife and child he could somehow have a fulfilling life. Both of these men are left with no love for their mothers.
Jackson was an exceptionally clever man and completely in charge of his life. Both these men follow the usual pattern of denial exhibited by most abuse victims. The Wade character was in absolute denial.
These boys were both dumped when the latest model came along and kept hanging on useful for Jacksons kiddie fiddling trials. There will no doubt be many more out there. The Jackson lawyer who stood up at his instruction and issued the stark warning that they would go all out after any accusers probably closed the door to many victims. Chilling.
Quality post. Another 11 have now come forward but no doubt the fanboys will accuse them of being money grabbers rather than genuine distressed people who have lived with this for years
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 7:17:55 GMT
Did you watch it.
Both men grew up met very nice women, got married, kept their secrets from their families and their wives and eventually the pressure caused them to have breakdowns. One had a successful career, the other struggled. It seemed the turning point in both cases was having children of their own.
Jackson ingratiated himself into their families and when the truth came out both families imploded. The successful one, Wade, assumed that if he told the truth his career would be over. He was the choreographer for both Britney Spears and N Sync plus other businesses alongside. He testified for Michael Jackson under duress from Jackson and under pressure from his own family who believed he should help Jackson as a friend. The other one James refused to help Jackson and told him not to contact him again. Both these boys were screwed up by the abuse which started at the age of 7 together with what they both describe as kindness which went alongside the abuse.
Wade's father topped himself. The pain etched on the face of his mother, brother and sister would have been impossible to fake. I felt genuinely gutted for the other guy and hoped that with his wife and child he could somehow have a fulfilling life. Both of these men are left with no love for their mothers.
Jackson was an exceptionally clever man and completely in charge of his life. Both these men follow the usual pattern of denial exhibited by most abuse victims. The Wade character was in absolute denial.
These boys were both dumped when the latest model came along and kept hanging on useful for Jacksons kiddie fiddling trials. There will no doubt be many more out there. The Jackson lawyer who stood up at his instruction and issued the stark warning that they would go all out after any accusers probably closed the door to many victims. Chilling.
Quality post. Another 11 have now come forward but no doubt the fanboys will accuse them of being money grabbers rather than genuine distressed people who have lived with this for years He's guilty as hell. What's the old saying, " There's no smoke without fire" ?
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Post by felonious on Mar 9, 2019 7:52:57 GMT
Did you watch it.
Both men grew up met very nice women, got married, kept their secrets from their families and their wives and eventually the pressure caused them to have breakdowns. One had a successful career, the other struggled. It seemed the turning point in both cases was having children of their own.
Jackson ingratiated himself into their families and when the truth came out both families imploded. The successful one, Wade, assumed that if he told the truth his career would be over. He was the choreographer for both Britney Spears and N Sync plus other businesses alongside. He testified for Michael Jackson under duress from Jackson and under pressure from his own family who believed he should help Jackson as a friend. The other one James refused to help Jackson and told him not to contact him again. Both these boys were screwed up by the abuse which started at the age of 7 together with what they both describe as kindness which went alongside the abuse.
Wade's father topped himself. The pain etched on the face of his mother, brother and sister would have been impossible to fake. I felt genuinely gutted for the other guy and hoped that with his wife and child he could somehow have a fulfilling life. Both of these men are left with no love for their mothers.
Jackson was an exceptionally clever man and completely in charge of his life. Both these men follow the usual pattern of denial exhibited by most abuse victims. The Wade character was in absolute denial.
These boys were both dumped when the latest model came along and kept hanging on useful for Jacksons kiddie fiddling trials. There will no doubt be many more out there. The Jackson lawyer who stood up at his instruction and issued the stark warning that they would go all out after any accusers probably closed the door to many victims. Chilling.
Quality post. Another 11 have now come forward but no doubt the fanboys will accuse them of being money grabbers rather than genuine distressed people who have lived with this for years That's interesting there was always hope when these two men were prepared to give such a heartfelt gut wrenching testimony but beyond Jackson's nasty little world they must have been words of comfort to other victims out there.
Louis Theroux nails it on his tweet.
"If you can’t see that Michael Jackson was a paedophile after watching @danreed1000 ‘s film you are being wilfully blind. And if you are campaigning against it you are actively colluding in the silencing of victims."
www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47496176
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Post by felonious on Mar 9, 2019 13:26:16 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Mar 9, 2019 18:03:04 GMT
What does Michael Jackson like after dinner?
Under eights
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Post by scfcwebby on Mar 9, 2019 18:04:37 GMT
As a mate of mine said "Why was it always boys?", meaning if it was just an innocent thing, why didn't he have girls over, too? Creepy as fuck. Just the way he looked from the mid eighties on should have been enough to put people off. I feel sorry for that monkey he was shagging. Apparently, they have taken voice samples from Wacko and are putting a collaboration together with West Ham fans to re release I'm forever blowing bubbles
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 21:34:30 GMT
Quality post. Another 11 have now come forward but no doubt the fanboys will accuse them of being money grabbers rather than genuine distressed people who have lived with this for years He's guilty as hell. What's the old saying, " There's no smoke without fire" ? I think it it is.. There's no Case without getting as much Money one can get from someone who is dead without being able to defend themself..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 21:47:24 GMT
He's guilty as hell. What's the old saying, " There's no smoke without fire" ? I think it it is.. There's no Case without getting as much Money one can get from someone who is dead without being able to defend themself.. I don't think he could defend the indefensible.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 10, 2019 8:58:13 GMT
Jackson's behaviours towards his victims are stereotypical of child abusers. Ingratiate yourself with the family to gain trust and access.
Any grey area is now black and white.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 10, 2019 11:30:19 GMT
Jackson's behaviours towards his victims are stereotypical of child abusers. Ingratiate yourself with the family to gain trust and access. Any grey area is now black and white. He really was a smooth criminal.
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