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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Mar 4, 2019 8:52:55 GMT
It’s now all about confidence imo. String together 3-4 more good performances with wins and that could be the springboard for a late push. However, as we’ve seen a couple of times this season, one swallow doesn’t make a summer and the likelihood is that we will stutter through the last quarter of the season with some solid performances finishing top half of championship. Confidence and fitness. We are net -7 points in the last 15 minutes of games. Even if we'd only managed to break even late in games we'd be on the verge of the play offs, if we'd managed to come out +7 (not unrealistic for a team with as many draws on the board as we have) then we'd be comfortably in the play offs. Now, you can't really say thats fine margins because we haven't really looked like winning points late in games, but it's a very clear indicator as where our problems lie and something you absolutely can do something about. If you're not fit enough you make bad decisions late in games, we've done an awful lot of that at both ends of the pitch.
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Post by musik on Mar 4, 2019 8:55:38 GMT
It's a League Table Calculator (Championship Prediction) at website: worldfootball net
(don't know how to link)
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Mar 4, 2019 8:58:22 GMT
If we win every game then we’d have 77 points, which according to that supercomputer’s predictions would be enough to scrape the 6th playoff place ahead of Bristol City.
Not a bloody chance.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Mar 4, 2019 9:02:18 GMT
12th/10th best places we'll finish this season. He ought to be getting talking to players that he wants here next season already, so they're in at start of season.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 4, 2019 9:07:13 GMT
Give it up.....it'd be the worst possible thing for us to go up this season!!!
Although it'd be nice for us to go on a bit of a run to gain some confidence for next season!!!
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Post by keithbertschinsperm on Mar 4, 2019 9:15:13 GMT
It's amazing what one win will do. well tbf just stating facts, and like I said it’s about being consistent? These players are good enough, just a certain few can’t be arsed It won't happen, we're not yet consistent enough to win 5 in a row, and even if we did any team above us wins say 4 of their 5 and the gap could still be 6 or 7 points. Confidence building, nailing the system, NJ refining the "in" and "bin" list, and preparing for next season's promotion challenge. I'm not sure we're ready to go up with this squad even if we could squeek in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 9:15:45 GMT
I did think the gap would have widened by now but I also think this board is mental...if we lose the next day we’re getting relegated if we win we can still get promoted!
I’d bloody love a trip to Wembley this year but it’s not going to happen.
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Post by stokie1947 on Mar 4, 2019 9:24:17 GMT
2 words
no chance
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 4, 2019 9:31:17 GMT
Very good authority says he has already embarked on a process to alternate where possible to give players a Chance to show he should keep them There is no delusion in the club about play offs and a determination
1 to get mathematically safe 2 develop a confidence building run 3 finalise the part of the solution , STR lists
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Post by kidcrewbob on Mar 4, 2019 9:31:30 GMT
Bit early for the monkey dust surely ???
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 9:31:48 GMT
We are nowhere near good enough or ready for the play offs. Best we can hope for this season is to pick up a few more wins, become a little more resilient and harder to beat and end the season on a decent spell of form.
If we end this season positively and have a decent summer window ( that means outs aswell as ins ) we can start next season on a more confident note and a play off spot would be more realistic.
Theoretically we could still do it but the reality is we just aren’t good enough.
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Post by musik on Mar 4, 2019 9:43:30 GMT
Hellu!
I just used the Table Calculator to the right on that worldfootball net website, for the Championship. With an overly optimistic view when it comes to the Stoke results, I had Stoke with 8 wins and 3 draws in the remaining 11 games of the season, and it would give us a total of: 18 wins, 17 draws and 11 losses. In 8th place.
Like this: 1.Norwich 90p +34 2.Sheff U 89p +37 ------------------ 3.Leeds U 4.WestBrom 5.Mboro 6.Brist C 72p + ------------------ 7.DerbyCo 71p + 8.Stoke C 71p +6
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Post by sheds1862 on Mar 4, 2019 9:51:25 GMT
Hellu! I just used the Table Calculator to the right on that worldfootball net website, for the Championship. With an overly optimistic view when it comes to the Stoke results, I had Stoke with 8 wins and 3 draws in the remaining 11 games of the season, and it would give us a total of: 18 wins, 17 draws and 11 losses. In 8th place. Like this: 1.Norwich 90p +34 2.Sheff U 89p +37 ------------------ 3.Leeds U 4.WestBrom 5.Mboro 6.Brist C 72p + ------------------ 7.DerbyCo 71p + 8.Stoke C 71p +6 So with the 4 game unbeaten run, we suddenly go on a 15 match unbeaten run. I'll book the play-off weekend off work right now, thanks for that little heads up
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Post by musik on Mar 4, 2019 9:55:09 GMT
Hellu! I just used the Table Calculator to the right on that worldfootball net website, for the Championship. With an overly optimistic view when it comes to the Stoke results, I had Stoke with 8 wins and 3 draws in the remaining 11 games of the season, and it would give us a total of: 18 wins, 17 draws and 11 losses. In 8th place. Like this: 1.Norwich 90p +34 2.Sheff U 89p +37 ------------------ 3.Leeds U 4.WestBrom 5.Mboro 6.Brist C 72p + ------------------ 7.DerbyCo 71p + 8.Stoke C 71p +6 So with the 4 game unbeaten run, we suddenly go on a 15 match unbeaten run. I'll book the play-off weekend off work right now, thanks for that little heads up But as you see above, we're out of it anyway. We have to collect 9 wins and 2 draws AND be lucky with other results as well. 🤣
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 4, 2019 10:06:30 GMT
Jesus this place oscillates worse that Boethius’s Wheel.
Last week we were getting relegated!!
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Post by wrighter on Mar 4, 2019 10:12:30 GMT
Nowhere near ready for the Prem imho
Looking forward to what NJ does in the summer, getting his own players in he wants.to play HIS way
Sending Campbell & Souttar out in loan this season was a brilliant move, experienced for nxt season, + Sorenson must be in his thoughts
We are all but safe from the bottom 3 [ some very winnable games to come], so lets see the season out, and have a bloody good go next season
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 4, 2019 10:16:30 GMT
Here lies the other fundamental problem with our support at the moment, we start to see every win as a watershed/turning point.
Ain't that simple, we're in this league for the long haul I reckon. Good signs on Saturday and long may they continue.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 4, 2019 10:25:40 GMT
Didn't Norwich finish 14th last season? Some of what they're drinking in the Summer and who knows what next season could bring. Note that I said NEXT season.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 4, 2019 10:27:30 GMT
Didn't Norwich finish 14th last season? Some of what they're drinking in the Summer and who knows what next season could bring. Note that I said NEXT season. Yep, and won one of their first 6 this time around. Farke was on the brink then his philosophy came to fruition. I posted a Tifo Football video on it a week or two ago.
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Post by sheds1862 on Mar 4, 2019 10:33:16 GMT
Here lies the other fundamental problem with our support at the moment, we start to see every win as a watershed/turning point. Ain't that simple, we're in this league for the long haul I reckon. Good signs on Saturday and long may they continue. The voice of reason, well said that man. I've said it before and i'll repeat myself. All or nothing on here, no in between. Knee jerk ejaculating to a victory. Suicidal we are the new Sunderland when we lose.
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Post by keithbertschinsperm on Mar 4, 2019 10:36:38 GMT
Hellu! I just used the Table Calculator to the right on that worldfootball net website, for the Championship. With an overly optimistic view when it comes to the Stoke results, I had Stoke with 8 wins and 3 draws in the remaining 11 games of the season, and it would give us a total of: 18 wins, 17 draws and 11 losses. In 8th place. Like this: 1.Norwich 90p +34 2.Sheff U 89p +37 ------------------ 3.Leeds U 4.WestBrom 5.Mboro 6.Brist C 72p + ------------------ 7.DerbyCo 71p + 8.Stoke C 71p +6 Liking the final table, Derby and Leeds both choked.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 4, 2019 10:36:45 GMT
I wouldn't want us to get in the playoffs this season tbh. Are you skint? Nope, far from it.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Mar 4, 2019 10:56:44 GMT
Here lies the other fundamental problem with our support at the moment, we start to see every win as a watershed/turning point. Ain't that simple, we're in this league for the long haul I reckon. Good signs on Saturday and long may they continue. The voice of reason, well said that man. I've said it before and i'll repeat myself. All or nothing on here, no in between. Knee jerk ejaculating to a victory. Suicidal we are the new Sunderland when we lose. "Knee Jerk Ejaculating To A Victory". Track on an OMD album, in about 1982? If not, then it should have been.
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Post by greenstokie on Mar 4, 2019 10:57:36 GMT
Hellu! I just used the Table Calculator to the right on that worldfootball net website, for the Championship. With an overly optimistic view when it comes to the Stoke results, I had Stoke with 8 wins and 3 draws in the remaining 11 games of the season, and it would give us a total of: 18 wins, 17 draws and 11 losses. In 8th place. Like this: 1.Norwich 90p +34 2.Sheff U 89p +37 ------------------ 3.Leeds U 4.WestBrom 5.Mboro 6.Brist C 72p + ------------------ 7.DerbyCo 71p + 8.Stoke C 71p +6 Unlikely as it seems, if you truly believe that we could amass that many points, it's not inconceivable for Brizzle to get one less. Just sayin...
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Post by s8to on Mar 4, 2019 10:58:06 GMT
Hellu! I just used the Table Calculator to the right on that worldfootball net website, for the Championship. With an overly optimistic view when it comes to the Stoke results, I had Stoke with 8 wins and 3 draws in the remaining 11 games of the season, and it would give us a total of: 18 wins, 17 draws and 11 losses. In 8th place. Like this: 1.Norwich 90p +34 2.Sheff U 89p +37 ------------------ 3.Leeds U 4.WestBrom 5.Mboro 6.Brist C 72p + ------------------ 7.DerbyCo 71p + 8.Stoke C 71p +6 Liking the final table, Derby and Leeds both choked. So 9 wins it is then!! Simples!!!
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 4, 2019 11:49:01 GMT
I wouldn't want us to get in the playoffs this season tbh. I don't understand your logic for that statement. Surely if we do get to the play-offs (which I don't think we will) that will demonstrate Jones is on the right track, and give him a better idea of who to keep and sell. We are faced with a major personnel change at the end of the season with players too old, past it, not good enough, want to leave, don't fit Jones' tactics, etc. if we are not promoted we will only attract players who are Championship level like McClean, Afobe, Woods, etc. Why would a premier League class player want to join us? If in the unlikely event we were to fluke promotion like Palace in 2004, we would need to change most of the squad to have any chance of staying up. Wolves won the Championship last season comfortably and still went and signed 16 players last summer including Afobe, who they immediately off-loaded as they didn't see him as Prem standard. Having achieved promotion we would be far more likely to attract a better standard of player and keep our "crown jewels" like Butland. We would have potential to keep our core players like Butland, Batth, & Etebo, keep others as cover like Edwards, Allen, & Indi, and trade others for "better models". My point is whatever happens we face a major turnover of players, which will be "easier" if we are a Prem side.
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Post by musik on Mar 4, 2019 13:21:46 GMT
Liking the final table, Derby and Leeds both choked. So 9 wins it is then!! Simples!!! And 2 draws. Or 10 wins and 1 loss. Minimum. 😂
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Post by shangamuzo on Mar 4, 2019 14:12:22 GMT
Honestly we could still have a late push, i didn’t realise until checking the league table just that we are only 10 points away, we win our next 5 games and that easily goes to 5 points at the lowest. Problem is consistency, hopefully the players turn it on for the last games and gets us playing So you can get on at 250 to 1 for Stoke to be promoted for next season at the mo... Go for it-10 quid isn't a big risk unless you're as tight as as a ducks arsehole.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 14:35:19 GMT
It could happen.
All it takes is for every team above us to stop playing at this minute and thus not collect another point. Then all we need to do is win less than five games, just four will do.
Somehow I think the latter is less realistic than the former...
But if we did, we'd come crashing down again so badly, it would take ten years or more to recover!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 14:42:47 GMT
Nowhere near ready for the Prem imho Looking forward to what NJ does in the summer, getting his own players in he wants.to play HIS way Sending Campbell & Souttar out in loan this season was a brilliant move, experienced for nxt season, + Sorenson must be in his thoughts We are all but safe from the bottom 3 [ some very winnable games to come], so lets see the season out, and have a bloody good go next season This season we've had a great history of not winning our winnable games. It's like our players can only motivate themselves - and seemingly Jones and Rowett have been equally unmotivating them - for the teams that used to be glory teams like Leeds, Derby, Forest, and, ahem, Norwich. But facing Wigan, Brentford et al and we are only motivated for losing or drawing.
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