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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 0:04:13 GMT
You can probably narrow that segment - that see him as the answer to all our problems - down to those who don't want him to succeed for Stoke, and there's apparently a few that do. Because they feel overwhelmed by the support the "large proportion" offers, they get it in their heads that he must be superman reincarnated. Obviously no player can live up to those expectations. The aforementioned large proportions have a somewhat more realistic view of what Bojan, once he's been allowed successive games to gain match form, could potentially do for Stoke. But as he has not been allowed any sort of coherency over a lengthy stretch of time, no one can really know for sure. That's why we (and I use the plural, because it's not just me) would like to see him given a chance, like most other people at the club, to play some succession of games. If he fails, then he's failed. But we cannot say that until he's played, say, six successive games, and not just cameos, thank you. You can say that about Diouf too, And I would if that had been the subject here. If all Diouf is judged upon is his sub sub appearance where others have been given up to ten games to prove themselves, then he can feel discriminated against. Because after all, Jones did say that everybody would be given the same chance. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 0:07:27 GMT
You can say that about Diouf too, Diouf has made 5 consecutive starts this season Not under Jones. |
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Post by femark on Mar 3, 2019 0:16:42 GMT
Everyone who booed the sub should fuck right off. He was average at best.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 3, 2019 0:21:09 GMT
Who will back their personal opinions if Bojan doesn’t complete 23 games next season (if he is still with us) and donate £50 to Dougy Mac? If, over a six-game run, he completes around 320 or more minutes and is still considered "shit" by general Oatcake consensus (and not by just Padders01, Robwahlmann, Berahinosgoals or any other posters notorious for wanting him to fail to prove themselves right), I'll do £200 to Dougie Mac. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Mar 3, 2019 0:35:39 GMT
No better or worse than anyone else today.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Mar 3, 2019 1:31:12 GMT
Such a bullshit post I don't even know where to begin. We took the initiative for a change and started like we wanted to control the game. A huge part of that was simply having Bojan on the pitch as he was moving around offering options. Even when the ball wasn't with him, their defence had one eye on him all the time meaning that he pulled open a bit of space for us to play into. The fact that our midfielders can't exploit that is another issue, but we at least had the options there that we've been missing for ages. On an individual level, he was fairly average, but certainly not worth "stopping a love-in" over. He was clearly not match-fit and lacked a bit of sharpness but that is to be expected considering that he's hardly played any meaningful minutes for ages, and the fact that for a significant portion of the game he was instructed to play out of position didn't help matters. Like last time he played, I made sure to watch him very closely because we all know certain posters love to cannibalise him over the slightest thing. Barring two bits of poor control, not spotting a pass to him and getting pushed over, he didn't do anything wrong. There was a questionable return ball he made to Clucas (who didn't see it coming) that was possibly unnecessary but it looked more like Clucas' fault. He played some good passes, a few good touches and had at least two excellent runs, including one early in the second half in which he made a mug of four of their defenders but then was left with no runners, so he could only pass it back to Edwards. There was also a moment in the first half where he moved excellently to burst, unmarked, into their box (not long after he had his foot stamped on) that would have resulted in a shooting opportunity if the pass to him wasn't just beyond him. He could have done more, he certainly could have done worse, he was no worse than his replacement, and I was surprised he was hooked so early, although I was expecting him off before FT. He deserves another start. I'm not in either the pro-Bojan or anti-Bojan camp, and I see this post as a very reasoned one. Surely his performance was no worse than some we've been subjected to lately by many players who have had much more game time than he has? Hopefully he'll be given more opportunities to get match-fit (and to play in a position that suits him?) and show us what he's got to offer going forward |
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Post by stokesupporter on Mar 3, 2019 1:36:49 GMT
No we can't.
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Post by PotterLog on Mar 3, 2019 1:53:50 GMT
Cba to read the whole thread but I hope Bojan is granted the same leeway Ince has had after god knows how many completely anonymous performances in a row.
And incidentally I don’t think Bojan was anonymous today
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Post by nott1 on Mar 3, 2019 7:22:11 GMT
He played..... we won.....inspirational but needs a few games.
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Post by harryh157 on Mar 3, 2019 7:42:31 GMT
He was not that good yesterday but hopefully he will get some game time and then we will know by the end of the season. NJ was right to sub him imo. I agree about the booing - unbelievable
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Post by elystokie on Mar 3, 2019 8:53:45 GMT
Whatever he once had, he no longer has it....sadly Do you base all of your opinions on very limited evidence? |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 3, 2019 9:11:47 GMT
Diouf was buried on here last week after one game.
So can we have the same treatment for Bojan? Not a chance.
Offered nothing, forgot he was on the pitch at all.
Say what you want about fitness, but that doesn’t excuse the fact he didn’t beat the first man on a terrible free kick in the first half, no excuse for that. Continually gave the ball away, also passed BACKWARDS, and we all know how much our “fans” hate that.
Starting to see why all these managers passed on him, he just doesn’t have it anymore folks, sorry.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 3, 2019 9:13:57 GMT
Diouf was buried on here last week after one game. So can we have the same treatment for Bojan? Not a chance. Offered nothing, forgot he was on the pitch at all. Say what you want about fitness, but that doesn’t excuse the fact he didn’t beat the first man on a terrible free kick in the first half, no excuse for that. Continually gave the ball away, also passed BACKWARDS, and we all know how much our “fans” hate that. Starting to see why all these managers passed on him, he just doesn’t have it anymore folks, sorry. Diouf played in his favoured position. Bojan didn’t. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 3, 2019 9:17:12 GMT
One game, played out of position.
Jesus fucking Christ, there are some absolute pipes on here aren't there?
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Post by sportsman on Mar 3, 2019 9:25:48 GMT
The media are saying harry kane is not so good at the moment because he's been out and needs games to get back to match sharpness.
Bojan comes back for one game and some dumb fucks are expecting a hat trick.
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Post by fazza90 on Mar 3, 2019 9:30:52 GMT
Regardless of what you think of his performance yesterday can we all agree that to boo him being substituted was absolutely ridiculous and count here productive for everyone. If you love Bojan then do you really think it's helpful and will increase his chances of playing if you boo when he goes off? It just pisses off the manager, shows disrespect to whoever replaces him and entire team and decreases the chance of him starting the next game! Please, if this happens again and you sit next to one of these idiots, just say something to them, it doesn't have to be aggressive, just say something so they think twice next time.
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Post by stokie1947 on Mar 3, 2019 9:33:35 GMT
going to need a few games under his belt then judge him although i personally think since his injury he won't be the same player
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 3, 2019 9:41:10 GMT
Diouf was buried on here last week after one game. So can we have the same treatment for Bojan? Not a chance. Offered nothing, forgot he was on the pitch at all. Say what you want about fitness, but that doesn’t excuse the fact he didn’t beat the first man on a terrible free kick in the first half, no excuse for that. Continually gave the ball away, also passed BACKWARDS, and we all know how much our “fans” hate that. Starting to see why all these managers passed on him, he just doesn’t have it anymore folks, sorry. Diouf played in his favoured position. Bojan didn’t. Doesn’t matter does it? Bojan is the cure to all the worlds problems. Surely he can handle being played a little out of position? A player of his pedigree. Weren’t people calling for him to play up front? Isn’t that out of position too? I thought he was a number 10? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 3, 2019 9:45:01 GMT
Diouf played in his favoured position. Bojan didn’t. Doesn’t matter does it? Bojan is the cure to all the worlds problems. Surely he can handle being played a little out of position? A player of his pedigree. Weren’t people calling for him to play up front? Isn’t that out of position too? I thought he was a number 10? Of course it matters. Just like it mattered when Huth was played at right back. How can you judge a player when they're hamstrung by not playing in their best position? Nobody's been calling for Bojan to play on the wing. 'A player of his pedigree' still isn't going to be as effective played out of position, history is littered with much more high-profile, higher quality examples of that. He is a number 10 and that's where he should play, yeah. I personally wouldn't play him up front unless it's as a false nine but a central role as a support striker at least plays more to his strengths than sticking him out on the wing. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 3, 2019 9:49:46 GMT
A lot of players have had to either play out of position or in different positios since Jones arrived: Allen, Ince, Mclean, Martins-Indi, Etebo snd Clucas have all put shifts in out of position. No-one claimed they had been 'hung out to dry'. No, but all of those players are allowed the luxury of being wank for half a dozen games on the trot before they are ‘rested’ - Bojan is played once in a blue moon for 50mins and generally in the wrong position - the very definition of being ‘hung out to dry’. The manager would look a complete twat if he played him in the whole and he had a stormer. And why exactly would he look a complete twat? Less than 10 games in to his Stoke career Jones would be hailed as a master of man management if he coaxed a stormer out of Bojan. Rather like Solsjaer with Pogba. Jones has got everything to gain and nothing to lose by Bojan playing well. However he clearly doesn't think he can. This narrative that every manager he plays for has got it in for Bojan is frankly paranoid. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 3, 2019 9:51:23 GMT
One game, played out of position. Jesus fucking Christ, there are some absolute pipes on here aren't there? It’s quite amazing the amount of leeway the numerous other wankers in the squad get, but still if they run around like dicks but achieve absolutely nothing then that’s fine. Bojan is held against this impossible standard and is micro-analysed from his passing all the way to the material used in his shorts, and then every week we have a thread like this about him if he doesn’t perform like a prime Messi on LSD. Quite why there’s such a large portion standing in the shadows wanking waiting for him to have a sub-par game just so they can scream from the hilltops “See! He’s wank and I’m right look at me!” I don’t know, it’s quite sad really. |
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Post by stiggerstackle on Mar 3, 2019 9:54:35 GMT
No, but all of those players are allowed the luxury of being wank for half a dozen games on the trot before they are ‘rested’ - Bojan is played once in a blue moon for 50mins and generally in the wrong position - the very definition of being ‘hung out to dry’. The manager would look a complete twat if he played him in the whole and he had a stormer. And why exactly would he look a complete twat? Less than 10 games in to his Stoke career Jones would be hailed as a master of man management if he coaxed a stormer out of Bojan. Rather like Solsjaer with Pogba. Jones has got everything to gain and nothing to lose by Bojan playing well. However he clearly doesn't think he can. This narrative that every manager he plays for has got it in for Bojan is frankly paranoid. Because playing him in his preferred position following the recent press stories and his previous lack of opportunities, it would be seen as bowing to supporter pressure, not a tactical master stroke. I agree, it’s a bit of a no-win situation for Jones, created by Rowett but not helped by Jones’ comments saying one thing and subsequent actions suggesting otherwise. |
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 3, 2019 9:55:25 GMT
Diouf played in his favoured position. Bojan didn’t. Doesn’t matter does it? Bojan is the cure to all the worlds problems. Surely he can handle being played a little out of position? A player of his pedigree. Weren’t people calling for him to play up front? Isn’t that out of position too? I thought he was a number 10? You really do just hope and pray that Bojan fails and take obvious delight when he does. Really strange. |
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Post by rorystowel on Mar 3, 2019 9:55:55 GMT
At the end of the game he walked past us in row 3 with one leg of his shorts rolled up, and it looked like he was holding his thigh or his groin. Anyone else think he might be carrying an injury?
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Post by jeffreymelbourne on Mar 3, 2019 9:57:52 GMT
I am so fucking over the Bojan talk I will buy him my self
Stop the fixation on one player and support the group
Who cares if he does not play
Support the team or fuck off
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Post by Jimmyg on Mar 3, 2019 10:26:30 GMT
One game, played out of position. Jesus fucking Christ, there are some absolute pipes on here aren't there? Not just here, Twitter is United in condemning his performance and they say people talk shit on here ! |
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Post by stokecitystar2011 on Mar 3, 2019 10:32:00 GMT
I loved him way back - and followed his rehab on social media...but loans out haven't delivered for him....odd cameos for us have shown nothing - apart from that header,it's not about one game....many managers have seen nothing in him at training etc both at Stoke and elsewhere.....we 're all Plumbers, Milkman, Postman or whatever we are and many of us feel we think we know more than Pro footy managers?
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Post by stokeoptimist on Mar 3, 2019 10:33:57 GMT
There was one moment when he had the ball and was surrounded by forest players he kept it while beating four of them looking for a pass but there was absolutely no movement in front of him. He's a class act but will only shine in a team playing at the top of it's game.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 3, 2019 10:34:25 GMT
I loved him way back - and followed his rehab on social media...but loans out haven't delivered for him....odd cameos for us have shown nothing - apart from that header,it's not about one game....many managers have seen nothing in him at training etc both at Stoke and elsewhere.....we 're all Plumbers, Milkman, Postman or whatever we are and many of us feel we think we know more than Pro footy managers? That's exactly it, people saying he deserves a run out but managers are privy to info that makes these decisions, he doesn't get on much for a reason. |
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Post by deadwait on Mar 3, 2019 10:56:14 GMT
I feel sorry for Bojan. He must start a game realising that if he makes a couple of errors he will be quickly replaced. Certain other players of less a quality can play dross for the whole of 90 minutes and the manager does nothing.
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