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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 2, 2019 17:53:37 GMT
Did absolutely NOTHING wrong. Did he do anything at all?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 2, 2019 17:54:06 GMT
He didn’t do too much wrong did he? Some nice passes and a lovely dribble at the start of the second half. Certainly better than other camoes we’ve seen from other players recently.
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Post by foxxy on Mar 2, 2019 17:54:15 GMT
Bojan is not a left winger. He was hung out to dry today. Playing left wing with your supporting full back being Indi isn’t the best way to try to reintergrate the player that is potentially the best number 10 you have available who plays well with confidence. Actually it was pretty poor management. McLean should have started in that position or clucas, who by the way was the worst player on the pitch. God knows where he was suppose to be playing as he was just stood with ince most of the time and how he stayed on the pitch till the end I’m not sure.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 17:54:32 GMT
At that point in time, Ince should have been the one coming off. Prior to his assist for the 2nd he was diabolical. Granted, afterwards he looked a different player.
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Post by warringtonstokie on Mar 2, 2019 17:55:27 GMT
Did absolutely NOTHING wrong. Did he do anything at all? Used the ball efficiently every time he touched it, I don’t recall him losing it once. He’s held to a far higher standard than everyone else.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 2, 2019 17:57:27 GMT
That's why he'll be going at the end of the season, we can get better. Yes maybe - at the end of the season We will do. Rowett knew the score r.e bojan, for whatever reason sadly he's a shadow of his former self. Jones is keeping the fans happy until the summer following the stick rowett got for not using him. It would have been counter productive to let him go in january 1) because it wouldnt have been seen as a popular decision by some, risky when hes just taken over and still trying to get/keep the fans onside, 2) maybe there just wasnt a suitable replacement available in January. Play him 3 times between now & end of the season will keep the fans off his back
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Post by christhepotter on Mar 2, 2019 18:01:56 GMT
He was played out of position, hung out to dry in my opinion and I’m not a fan of him
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 2, 2019 18:03:23 GMT
Such a bullshit post I don't even know where to begin.
We took the initiative for a change and started like we wanted to control the game. A huge part of that was simply having Bojan on the pitch as he was moving around offering options. Even when the ball wasn't with him, their defence had one eye on him all the time meaning that he pulled open a bit of space for us to play into. The fact that our midfielders can't exploit that is another issue, but we at least had the options there that we've been missing for ages.
On an individual level, he was fairly average, but certainly not worth "stopping a love-in" over. He was clearly not match-fit and lacked a bit of sharpness but that is to be expected considering that he's hardly played any meaningful minutes for ages, and the fact that for a significant portion of the game he was instructed to play out of position didn't help matters.
Like last time he played, I made sure to watch him very closely because we all know certain posters love to cannibalise him over the slightest thing. Barring two bits of poor control, not spotting a pass to him and getting pushed over, he didn't do anything wrong. There was a questionable return ball he made to Clucas (who didn't see it coming) that was possibly unnecessary but it looked more like Clucas' fault.
He played some good passes, a few good touches and had at least two excellent runs, including one early in the second half in which he made a mug of four of their defenders but then was left with no runners, so he could only pass it back to Edwards. There was also a moment in the first half where he moved excellently to burst, unmarked, into their box (not long after he had his foot stamped on) that would have resulted in a shooting opportunity if the pass to him wasn't just beyond him.
He could have done more, he certainly could have done worse, he was no worse than his replacement, and I was surprised he was hooked so early, although I was expecting him off before FT.
He deserves another start.
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Post by scfcrt on Mar 2, 2019 18:07:13 GMT
I totally disagree with the booing. The fact is whether you agree with them or not a lot of fans like Bojan and think he is a far better footballer than MCLean and a lot of fans dislike MCLean.No excuses for booing, if you dislike it you have a choice. Before you rip into me I’m not saying I’m either and have never booed a Stoke player.
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Post by santy on Mar 2, 2019 18:07:21 GMT
Bojan was fairly ineffective today in terms of an attacking outlet, that's true. He kept possession well, generally pulled off some more difficult passes that didn't immediately keep the Forest pressure on the receiving player with tight balls or good angled passes.
Most importantly today though was Forest were absolutely shitting the prospect of Bojan, for some reason or another but their attentions on him were very focused. So they paid extra attention to Bojan. That created space for others, to our benefit.
That can be the benefit of having multiple threats in your team, its hard to double up on them all.
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Post by fca47 on Mar 2, 2019 18:07:36 GMT
We definitely looked better whenMaclean came on . But it's too early to dismiss Bojan. There were lots of changes to the side and he hasn't played much. He needs to play again next week and the rest of the season to see where he is.
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Post by marwood on Mar 2, 2019 18:09:43 GMT
This board. Honestly it fucking baffles me
we won 2-0
I swear to Keith Chegwin, there'd be 2 Oatcakers confronted by a stark bollock naked Helen George, and theyd argue over which boob to have a go on first
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 2, 2019 18:10:03 GMT
I think you are wrong Padders, because
1. Firstly it is unreasonable to expect a player to come into the team and immediately make a major impact. He has only had 5 starts this season, which is 7 months old. He needs to play regularly to get into match form. Sadly I think he will be dropped again for Vokes next match and he will never get a chance at Stoke to establish himself. Ince, McClean, and Afobe have had good/bad/indifferent match performances in rotation since the season started but have still been picked to start over 23 times each. That is the injustice people are upset about.
2. If you watched closely today he was very closely marked and clearly the Forest defenders were under strict instruction from Keane to keep a tight reign on him. (Or didn't you notice.) They knew if they stopped Bojan they would stop us being effective, but they didn't expect Etebo to turn up trumps!
3. We got better when Bojan went off, but that had more to do with Ince waking up and making a bigger contribution than McClean being better than Bojan.
4. We got worse at Hull when he went off, or weren't you watching? He was clearly our best player for the first hour, and we could have gone on to win that match had Vokes not missed a penalty. We were a lot better against Rotherham when he came on. That's the way it goes, you don't judge a player on 59 minutes, or maybe you do. I think Jones always intended to give him just an hour, as he is not match fit.
5. He is in Jones plans, but clearly Jones has to first make major decisions about the players who have major investment costs on their heads and long term contracts. Jones said on Friday that he was not match fit/ready when he arrived at the club.
I agree that booing his substitution was foolish, but so is your comment that the sooner he leaves the better. He is still a potential major asset at this level of football.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 2, 2019 18:11:23 GMT
Stoke will let him go in the summer & replace him with someone like Eze from QPR and it will rubber stamp the true start of NJ's reign
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Post by padders01 on Mar 2, 2019 18:12:24 GMT
Yes will take on board he was played out of position
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 18:13:06 GMT
Did absolutely NOTHING. Edited for you. Still didn’t deserve to be booed though.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 2, 2019 18:14:29 GMT
Bojan was decent but I disagree with the booing for his sub (if that was the reason for the booing).
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 2, 2019 18:14:54 GMT
Did he do anything at all? Used the ball efficiently every time he touched it, I don’t recall him losing it once. He’s held to a far higher standard than everyone else. Well, if some 3-yards back passes and one long ball over the touchline is enough to make you satisfied I'm pleased for you.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Mar 2, 2019 18:15:02 GMT
I am a self-confessed Bojan fan, but the decision to sub him was completely right. Whilst he wasn’t by any stretch as poor as is being made out (played out of position but never mind that eh?), he certainly wasn’t contributing a great deal and we needed a change.
The problem us Bojan ‘fanboys’ have, is that he gets a sporadic 50mins here and there, and is dropped, regardless of how he plays, whilst utter charlatans not fit to lace his boots in terms of footballing ability have licence to be beyond wank for 6-8 games before being dropped.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Mar 2, 2019 18:17:07 GMT
Started off ok. Drifted in and out for the rest of the first half. Was pretty anonymous the second and was clearly tiring and unable to chase down balls; was rightly subbed for someone who could add energy back to the front line. That's it. We know he can play a lot better but he's nowhere near the write-off that some seem desperate to make him out to be. As others have pointed out he's barely played in nearly 4 months whilst most of his teammates have had a headstart on getting to grips with NJ's system and style (whilst also putting in similar non-descript performances). I hope he gets the chance to play more often and improve between now and the end of the season. This. A few people are so desperate to be proven right that they'll slam any performance below 10/10. Odd but not only limited to football fans I imagine. Well I'm a Bojan fan but thought he was anonymous at best.
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Post by giles on Mar 2, 2019 18:18:18 GMT
He didn't offer much but you admittedly can't expect him to hit the ground running when he hasn't had a regular spot in any team for 3 or so years.
But he has become more of a distraction than anything else which is not helping the club.
Booing his substitution is frankly embarrassing. What does it say to the other players when someone who clearly has had problems with the last 4 managers (and has been rumoured to be a suspect trainer) is cheered more than those who have played every game? those who try hard but get booed?
I think he should start again, give the man a chance. But also we need to start moving on. Back Jones and the team, not Bojan.
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Post by Godo on Mar 2, 2019 18:18:48 GMT
Too lightweight, footspeed not there, didn't track back but then MCClean ( who I am no massive fan of ) came on and brought forward drive, box to box cover and when the ball was played up to him the least we earned was a throw in whereas I'm afraid Bojan contributed nothing. The fans need to start respecting the managers decisions better and if they want to influence things do it positively by encouraging not booing. McClean for Bojan really was like replacing a boy with a man. I think Bojan is gone and has been for a couple of seasons but in this division he is even more of a passenger...…..
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Post by tomcmod on Mar 2, 2019 18:19:04 GMT
Bojan on the ball isn't the issue it's Bojan off the ball. He was more effective and more attacking in his 15 mins second half. However Jones likes to play the high pressure and it shows how much it worked when he brought mcclean on to have that pressure all across the front.
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Post by RAF on Mar 2, 2019 18:19:31 GMT
He was ok, held the ball up well. Some of the frauds that have been selected in previous weeks have offered a lot less.
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Post by sportsman on Mar 2, 2019 18:25:54 GMT
But having him on the pitch and him trying to get into pockets of space means he's always occupying defenders.
He's either then effective from it it himself, or it opens it up for other. I bet he gets detailed in the opposition dressing room before a game, where as we could play someone else there and they don't even mention him to look out for.
Not rocket science
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Post by kidcrewbob on Mar 2, 2019 18:31:07 GMT
Yes maybe - at the end of the season We will do. Rowett knew the score r.e bojan, for whatever reason sadly he's a shadow of his former self. Jones is keeping the fans happy until the summer following the stick rowett got for not using him. It would have been counter productive to let him go in january 1) because it wouldnt have been seen as a popular decision by some, risky when hes just taken over and still trying to get/keep the fans onside, 2) maybe there just wasnt a suitable replacement available in January. Play him 3 times between now & end of the season will keep the fans off his back Enjoy the win fellah and get over the fact that Bojan started and did ok for a first start in a very long time....
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 2, 2019 18:31:39 GMT
Is there such a thing as anything between him being toss and him being a superstar I wonder???
He wasn't great today neither was he amazing.
He started ok I liked the way he creates space for himself and those around him, but after he got knocked off the ball a couple of times (far too easily imho) he seemed to lose confidence and wasn;t making himself as available. He then started to disappear from the game until he was subbed.
He was still better than Ince who decided then to turn up for the last 15 minutes to show us a glimpse of his potential.
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Post by henry on Mar 2, 2019 18:36:24 GMT
I think he just about did enough to perhaps warrant a couple more starts to see if he can really get his form back. The booing though was fucktarded.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 2, 2019 18:37:38 GMT
The fans are on a knife edge of being a hindrance. It was a fair number of people booing and booing without any justification. Bojan was poor and deserved the hook. Bang out of order booing that sub. I thought it was the Forest fans booing McLean.They hate him and gave him hell at their place.I can't believe anyone there today with even the slightest piece of footballing nous could possibly object to his substitution.He was dire and it was like playing with 10 men when he was on the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 18:39:30 GMT
Did absolutely NOTHING wrong. Did he do anything at all? You obviously didn't notice that he was molested by Yates towards the end of the first half. Until then he did as well as you could expect from a player who hasn't played a full 90 minutes since back in September, nothing outstanding, but just by being there he gave Forest defenders a headache, leaving space for Etebo to explore and score our first goal. That's right, I just credited Bojan with his share in the goal even though he didn't touch the ball. If you can't understand this, you "know nothing about football", as someone said earlier in the thread.
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