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Our Jack
Mar 1, 2019 23:06:39 GMT
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Post by boru on Mar 1, 2019 23:06:39 GMT
If Grant had been in goal we wouldn't have been relagated Absolute hypothetical tripe Why, Grant was the sacrificed Lamb
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 1, 2019 23:09:25 GMT
Butland is not a great keeper. He fluffs the easy stuff, and often makes "great Saves" when a simple save would have done the job with better forsight / positioning, or does he do that on purpose? there have been a lot of similar keepers who do the same kind of stuff and not been great keepers. the amount of goals he concedes is not an indication of a great, or even a good keeper. Yes i know, i will get some hating for saying the above and yes I have always said the same, (and have posted on here with the same, way before we were ever in danger of relegation) There is a very good reason than none of the Premiership teams came in for him either last summer or in the january window. Butland is an extremely competent goalkeeper who will be missed by SCFC if he moves on. Your second paragraph is tripe Your third paragraph is even greater tripe Your last paragraph is nothing more than an assumption In reality the whole context of your post is drivel
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 1, 2019 23:09:28 GMT
I've been in and out of this forum over the years and cant say I've noticed it changing in terms of the abuse dished out to players/managers in my opinion. Might be wrong. I am just amazed how little abuse goes to them upstairs. I get it that the Coates have been mostly fantastic for the club over the last 13 years and nobody wants to bite the hand that feeds. But I have a serious issue with some of the senior management roles. There is a problem up there because after so many managers after such a long period of stability something is going wrong somewhere up there. The so-called 'Pizza boys' get constant abuse on here. They are generally seen as the major culprits in our demise. Really. Not how I see it. Maybe my anger is so great I don't see it but I think they are due far more abuse than I see on here. We are a total mess but maybe they are running out of managers to hide behind. Hopefully.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 1, 2019 23:16:33 GMT
Butland is not a great keeper. He fluffs the easy stuff, and often makes "great Saves" when a simple save would have done the job with better forsight / positioning, or does he do that on purpose? there have been a lot of similar keepers who do the same kind of stuff and not been great keepers. the amount of goals he concedes is not an indication of a great, or even a good keeper. Yes i know, i will get some hating for saying the above and yes I have always said the same, (and have posted on here with the same, way before we were ever in danger of relegation) There is a very good reason than none of the Premiership teams came in for him either last summer or in the january window. Butland is an extremely competent goalkeeper who will be missed by SCFC if he moves on. Your second paragraph is tripe Your third paragraph is even greater tripe Your last paragraph is nothing more than an assumption In reality the whole context of your post is drivel Cor that's some harsh critique right there. Had a bad flash back to my school reports reading that . He's lost a lot of form but I am hopeful he gets back to his best which was bloody good.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 1, 2019 23:31:26 GMT
Butland is an extremely competent goalkeeper who will be missed by SCFC if he moves on. Your second paragraph is tripe Your third paragraph is even greater tripe Your last paragraph is nothing more than an assumption In reality the whole context of your post is drivel Cor that's some harsh critique right there. Had a bad flash back to my school reports reading that . He's lost a lot of form but I am hopeful he gets back to his best which was bloody good. I’ll certainly agree with your last four words. Not everyone would
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 1, 2019 23:55:35 GMT
I've been in and out of this forum over the years and cant say I've noticed it changing in terms of the abuse dished out to players/managers in my opinion. Might be wrong. I am just amazed how little abuse goes to them upstairs. I get it that the Coates have been mostly fantastic for the club over the last 13 years and nobody wants to bite the hand that feeds. But I have a serious issue with some of the senior management roles. There is a problem up there because after so many managers after such a long period of stability something is going wrong somewhere up there. The so-called 'Pizza boys' get constant abuse on here. They are generally seen as the major culprits in our demise. Only by those that like to make up their own conspiracy theories.
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Post by stokieinaus on Mar 2, 2019 0:46:00 GMT
Butland is not a great keeper. He fluffs the easy stuff, and often makes "great Saves" when a simple save would have done the job with better forsight / positioning, or does he do that on purpose? there have been a lot of similar keepers who do the same kind of stuff and not been great keepers. the amount of goals he concedes is not an indication of a great, or even a good keeper. Yes i know, i will get some hating for saying the above and yes I have always said the same, (and have posted on here with the same, way before we were ever in danger of relegation) There is a very good reason than none of the Premiership teams came in for him either last summer or in the january window. Jack, I would like to apologise for the constant abuse you receive on this board. However, I also would like to point out some of your failings: 1. You don't score enough goals 2. You don't encourage attacking play 3. You don't come off your line during corners so that you can stop an opposition player from heading the ball, I NEVER want to hear you blaming the defence, that's just absurd. 4. Don't ever make great saves when simple saves are just as easy. Who do you think you are, a premier league keeper that does the same every week but is never noticed because their team wins. 5. The amount of goals YOU (YES YOU) concede is awful. Lets be honest we only have another 10 players on the pitch and they are too attacking minded to worry about conceding goals. 6. Finally, when will you actually buy some players that want to play football, sorry can play football. Your recruiting is awful.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 2, 2019 12:36:57 GMT
Spot on I would quite like Jack to read all of this and say to himself 'Well fuck you lot then, I'll go and play in the Premier League. See how long you cunts have to wait for another Stoke player to earn an England cap.' So we should be forever grateful just because he earned an England cap? Jack Butland hasn't been anywhere near the keeper he was before his injury and I'd be surprised if he wasn't a bit concerned by his form over the last 12 months or more. Yes he still pulls off world class saves every now and then, but is that enough? His kicking is ridiculously bad and his command of his six yard box isn't very good at best. Jack Butland is a good keeper but I'm not sure what premier league club would be in for him in the summer, well I can't think of one anywhere near the top half that would want him as their number one. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go to a top club as a number two, like Begovic did. I'd swap him for Bego this summer but would B'mouth want Jack?
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 2, 2019 22:58:10 GMT
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Post by BuzzB on Mar 2, 2019 23:02:10 GMT
Thats fair enough and about right for all parties I would imagine.
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Post by lordb on Mar 2, 2019 23:05:54 GMT
Would Begovic fancy dropping a division to get first team football? Is that totally insane?
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Our Jack
Mar 2, 2019 23:06:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 23:06:43 GMT
Thats fair enough and about right for all parties I would imagine. Eewww Palace though. Feel like our Jack has a bit more class than that. They always just looks like a load of roughians.
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Our Jack
Mar 2, 2019 23:07:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 23:07:38 GMT
Would Begovic fancy dropping a division to get first team football? Is that totally insane? We can but dream. He knows he’s loved. Maybe Rory can persuade him.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 2, 2019 23:10:31 GMT
Would Begovic fancy dropping a division to get first team football? Is that totally insane? Seen a few people mention that as a possible scenario. Worrying how his form has collapsed to the extent that a veteran like Boruc is preferred. Maybe c'ship would now be his level, and we know he's got a good relationship with Quy.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 3, 2019 7:36:59 GMT
£15m would be disappointing in my opinion.
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Post by ursems2boots on Mar 3, 2019 9:27:54 GMT
£15 million isn’t enough
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Post by jeffreymelbourne on Mar 3, 2019 9:36:13 GMT
Our jack you have to be joking
He does not belong to supporters and is free to do what he wants Given all the crap he cops I expect him to leave Stop slagging off players
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Our Jack
Mar 3, 2019 9:46:17 GMT
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Post by stiggerstackle on Mar 3, 2019 9:46:17 GMT
Our jack you have to be joking He does not belong to supporters and is free to do what he wants Given all the crap he cops I expect him to leave Stop slagging off players How about ‘stop slagging off supporters’?.
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Post by jeffreymelbourne on Mar 3, 2019 9:48:56 GMT
Well get your act together and stop moaning Let’s get back to the premier league Get on board or find another team
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Post by stiggerstackle on Mar 3, 2019 9:58:03 GMT
Fuck off up the Vale Jeff? 🤣
As has been said infinite times, it goes both ways - they need to give people something to get behind - which has been seriously lacking for about 3yrs.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 3, 2019 10:00:37 GMT
Our jack you have to be joking He does not belong to supporters and is free to do what he wants Given all the crap he cops I expect him to leave Stop slagging off players We will definitely miss him when he does leave.
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Post by jeffreymelbourne on Mar 3, 2019 10:07:46 GMT
As our Nathan says get on board Calling you out stiggerstackle Get on board or find another team it’s a work in progress No more negativity Full support
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Our Jack
Mar 3, 2019 10:12:39 GMT
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Post by stiggerstackle on Mar 3, 2019 10:12:39 GMT
As our Nathan says get on board Calling you out stiggerstackle Get on board or find another team it’s a work in progress No more negativity Full support How are you calling me out Jeff?!? When and where have you seen me slagging off players or managers? Disagreeing with decisions - absolutely - or are we only supporters if we blindly clap along?!? Finding another team isn’t really an option is it Jeff - I’m kind of stuck with them as are are 90% of people on here. Thanks for the rallying call though 👍
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Post by jeffreymelbourne on Mar 3, 2019 10:29:24 GMT
Sorry stiggerstackle Did not mean that in a negative way just pointing you out Trying to rally some positive feeling I am sure Nathan will come good and if jack leaves it’s okay he has a choice Let’s keep believing
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Our Jack
Mar 3, 2019 11:36:45 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 3, 2019 11:36:45 GMT
I’d say 15-20m is about right based on his recent form though last couple of games he’s improved. I’d imagine he’s one of our top earners too. Bego coming home would be great though there’s lots of decent keepers around.
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Our Jack
Mar 3, 2019 11:41:37 GMT
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Post by onionman on Mar 3, 2019 11:41:37 GMT
Could we potentially get Lee Grant back to replace him?
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Our Jack
Mar 3, 2019 11:41:59 GMT
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Post by Davef on Mar 3, 2019 11:41:59 GMT
Our jack you have to be joking He does not belong to supporters and is free to do what he wants Given all the crap he cops I expect him to leave Stop slagging off players You were saying earlier that Stoke fans have sacked three managers. Now Jack Butland isn't ours. I think you're a bit confused.
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Our Jack
Mar 3, 2019 11:45:56 GMT
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 3, 2019 11:45:56 GMT
Our jack you have to be joking He does not belong to supporters and is free to do what he wants Given all the crap he cops I expect him to leave Stop slagging off players You were saying earlier that Stoke fans have sacked three managers. Now Jack Butland isn't ours. I think you're a bit confused. And then he mentions'our'Nathan...strange person.
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Our Jack
Mar 3, 2019 19:19:29 GMT
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Post by rosco on Mar 3, 2019 19:19:29 GMT
Palace would be a good move for him I think
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Post by knyperstokie on Mar 4, 2019 8:32:56 GMT
Both Crystal Palace and Bournmouth are interested in Butland
If he goes to Bournmouth perhaps we could get Asmir Begovic back in P/X - I think that he'd do a job for us in The Championship
£15 million fee seems a bit low for an England keeper with at least ten years ahead of him
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