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Post by BuzzB on Mar 1, 2019 13:08:05 GMT
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Post by sheds1862 on Mar 1, 2019 13:15:27 GMT
It's a bit of a lazy article. Hart and Mcarthy aren't even in the first team.
On form Heaton. Apart from his clanger against Liverpool I don't recall Pickford being that terrible although admittedly I've not seen much apart from Match of the day
It's an article for articles sake
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 1, 2019 13:18:01 GMT
It may be that particular group of stats collected just covers Premier League games, so they're just comparing apples to apples.
But this is why he'll be desperate to move in the summer. His profile is dropping steadily. He can't afford a second season down here.
Hard to see many teams being that interested though.
Bournemouth? Newcastle? Maybe a promoted team?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 1, 2019 13:29:05 GMT
It may be that particular group of stats collected just covers Premier League games, so they're just comparing apples to apples. But this is why he'll be desperate to move in the summer. His profile is dropping steadily. He can't afford a second season down here. Hard to see many teams being that interested though. Bournemouth? Newcastle? Maybe a promoted team? Maybe he'll go Leicester with Joe Allen
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 1, 2019 13:41:55 GMT
It may be that particular group of stats collected just covers Premier League games, so they're just comparing apples to apples. But this is why he'll be desperate to move in the summer. His profile is dropping steadily. He can't afford a second season down here. Hard to see many teams being that interested though. Bournemouth? Newcastle? Maybe a promoted team? Maybe he'll go Leicester with Joe Allen That's not a bad shout. He's better than Scmeichel. And Rodgers loves Joe.
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Post by rawli on Mar 1, 2019 13:42:57 GMT
Read an article about Kepa in the week where it said Jack was lined up to go to Chelsea in the summer but Sari insisted on going for Kepa. Didn't realise it had been that close.
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Post by Veritas on Mar 1, 2019 13:57:33 GMT
Read an article about Kepa in the week where it said Jack was lined up to go to Chelsea in the summer but Sari insisted on going for Kepa. Didn't realise it had been that close. I doubt there is anything in that story they were always going to go very big
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 14:01:20 GMT
Maybe he'll go Leicester with Joe Allen That's not a bad shout. He's better than Scmeichel. And Rodgers loves Joe. Weren't there rumours about Celtic and Bauer in the summer as well...not sure if I've imagined this or how concrete they were...maybe everyone will just go to Leicester.
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Post by werrington on Mar 1, 2019 14:04:24 GMT
Sky just aren’t interested in anything other than the premiership, and they only pay lip service and token interest in those who aren’t the big 6
Sickening really
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Post by bolly_premprem on Mar 1, 2019 14:15:05 GMT
Butland is not a great keeper.
He fluffs the easy stuff, and often makes "great Saves" when a simple save would have done the job with better forsight / positioning, or does he do that on purpose? there have been a lot of similar keepers who do the same kind of stuff and not been great keepers.
the amount of goals he concedes is not an indication of a great, or even a good keeper.
Yes i know, i will get some hating for saying the above and yes I have always said the same, (and have posted on here with the same, way before we were ever in danger of relegation)
There is a very good reason than none of the Premiership teams came in for him either last summer or in the january window.
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Post by sheds1862 on Mar 1, 2019 14:55:10 GMT
Sky just aren’t interested in anything other than the premiership, and they only pay lip service and token interest in those who aren’t the big 6 Sickening really Very very true, yet we still have threads on here bemoaning we aren't on the telly !! Then when we are they moan about kick off times being changed. Staggering really.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 1, 2019 16:05:00 GMT
Maybe he'll go Leicester with Joe Allen That's not a bad shout. He's better than Scmeichel. And Rodgers loves Joe. I don't think he is better than Schmeichel. He does not command his area like him, is very hesitant on corners and crosses into the box and his kicking is terrible. He does make the odd wonder reaction save but all round not a great keeper and Bego was better (still is).We won't get any big offers for him now.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 1, 2019 16:13:16 GMT
Tottenham should buy him. Give us back the money from Wimmer and Palacios should cover it. Lloris is gash!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 1, 2019 16:41:13 GMT
Tottenham should buy him. Give us back the money from Wimmer and Palacios should cover it. Lloris is gash! Lloris is massively overrated.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 17:08:57 GMT
If you hadn't watched English football before this season but were looking to by a top goalkeeper Butland wouldn't be on the radar
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 1, 2019 17:19:26 GMT
Butland had one good season - as did Lee Grant.
However because Butland's good season was early in his career it is assumed that this is the form he can return to.
Because Grant's good season was late in his career it is assumed that it was a fluke he could never repeat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 17:50:26 GMT
Butland had one good season - as did Lee Grant. However because Butland's good season was early in his career it is assumed that this is the form he can return to. Because Grant's good season was late in his career it is assumed that it was a fluke he could never repeat. They weren't just good though,they were both exceptional. I'm convinced Butland is still suffering the after effects of his injury,he never looks comfortable diving to his left....especially at penalties as we all know
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 1, 2019 20:37:17 GMT
A highly valuable asset at one point that Stoke have managed to devalue from a potentially 30m keeper to 8m max with their poor business plan. Should have got rid last summer for 20m because we had a chance of getting that then.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 1, 2019 20:44:42 GMT
Butland is not a great keeper. He fluffs the easy stuff, and often makes "great Saves" when a simple save would have done the job with better forsight / positioning, or does he do that on purpose? there have been a lot of similar keepers who do the same kind of stuff and not been great keepers. the amount of goals he concedes is not an indication of a great, or even a good keeper. Yes i know, i will get some hating for saying the above and yes I have always said the same, (and have posted on here with the same, way before we were ever in danger of relegation) There is a very good reason than none of the Premiership teams came in for him either last summer or in the january window. He won't move to a top 6 club but that doesn't alter the fact that he is an excellent goalkeeper who should be playing in the top league. We're shit now, we would have been a whole lot more shit without Jack this season.
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Post by boru on Mar 1, 2019 21:26:15 GMT
Butland had one good season - as did Lee Grant. However because Butland's good season was early in his career it is assumed that this is the form he can return to. Because Grant's good season was late in his career it is assumed that it was a fluke he could never repeat. They weren't just good though,they were both exceptional. I'm convinced Butland is still suffering the after effects of his injury,he never looks comfortable diving to his left....especially at penalties as we all know What did he do before the injury ???
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Post by boru on Mar 1, 2019 21:27:49 GMT
Butland is not a great keeper. He fluffs the easy stuff, and often makes "great Saves" when a simple save would have done the job with better forsight / positioning, or does he do that on purpose? there have been a lot of similar keepers who do the same kind of stuff and not been great keepers. the amount of goals he concedes is not an indication of a great, or even a good keeper. Yes i know, i will get some hating for saying the above and yes I have always said the same, (and have posted on here with the same, way before we were ever in danger of relegation) There is a very good reason than none of the Premiership teams came in for him either last summer or in the january window. He won't move to a top 6 club but that doesn't alter the fact that he is an excellent goalkeeper who should be playing in the top league. We're shit now, we would have been a whole lot more shit without Jack this season. If Grant had been in goal we wouldn't have been relagated
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 1, 2019 21:46:41 GMT
I hope he’s here next season
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 1, 2019 21:48:57 GMT
I hope he’s here next season Agreed. No point selling him at what we would get for him now. Hopefully he regains his previous form and becomes a valuable asset again.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 1, 2019 22:05:36 GMT
I’ll add another post after reading yet again some shit on here.
IMHO I’ve always tried to be balanced (I’ve slipped at times) in comment about a player, individual/collective performances, value to the team/squad or professionalism etc.
Is it only me that has seen this board develop from a generally interesting and diverse forum into a dark canyon where it’s the name of the game to slaughter, slander and degenerate individual players as a matter of fashion rather than fact or constructive comment/opinion/critiscism.
Rather than list the players who have had unjustified dogs abuse by so called supporters and self appointed football experts on the Oatie over the last five years I think we should cut the crap and have a list of players who have been/are immune to such.
It would make life easier
Rant over
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 1, 2019 22:33:56 GMT
I’ll add another post after reading yet again some shit on here. IMHO I’ve always tried to be balanced (I’ve slipped at times) in comment about a player, individual/collective performances, value to the team/squad or professionalism etc. Is it only me that has seen this board develop from a generally interesting and diverse forum into a dark canyon where it’s the name of the game to slaughter, slander and degenerate individual players as a matter of fashion rather than fact or constructive comment/opinion/critiscism. Rather than list the players who have had unjustified dogs abuse by so called supporters and self appointed football experts on the Oatie over the last five years I think we should cut the crap and have a list of players who have been/are immune to such. It would make life easier Rant over I've been in and out of this forum over the years and cant say I've noticed it changing in terms of the abuse dished out to players/managers in my opinion. Might be wrong. I am just amazed how little abuse goes to them upstairs. I get it that the Coates have been mostly fantastic for the club over the last 13 years and nobody wants to bite the hand that feeds. But I have a serious issue with some of the senior management roles. There is a problem up there because after so many managers after such a long period of stability something is going wrong somewhere up there.
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Post by rosco on Mar 1, 2019 22:37:18 GMT
If he wasn't English there'd be no hype
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Post by philm87 on Mar 1, 2019 22:40:22 GMT
I’ll add another post after reading yet again some shit on here. IMHO I’ve always tried to be balanced (I’ve slipped at times) in comment about a player, individual/collective performances, value to the team/squad or professionalism etc. Is it only me that has seen this board develop from a generally interesting and diverse forum into a dark canyon where it’s the name of the game to slaughter, slander and degenerate individual players as a matter of fashion rather than fact or constructive comment/opinion/critiscism. Rather than list the players who have had unjustified dogs abuse by so called supporters and self appointed football experts on the Oatie over the last five years I think we should cut the crap and have a list of players who have been/are immune to such. It would make life easier Rant over Spot on I would quite like Jack to read all of this and say to himself 'Well fuck you lot then, I'll go and play in the Premier League. See how long you cunts have to wait for another Stoke player to earn an England cap.'
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Post by philm87 on Mar 1, 2019 22:41:23 GMT
I’ll add another post after reading yet again some shit on here. IMHO I’ve always tried to be balanced (I’ve slipped at times) in comment about a player, individual/collective performances, value to the team/squad or professionalism etc. Is it only me that has seen this board develop from a generally interesting and diverse forum into a dark canyon where it’s the name of the game to slaughter, slander and degenerate individual players as a matter of fashion rather than fact or constructive comment/opinion/critiscism. Rather than list the players who have had unjustified dogs abuse by so called supporters and self appointed football experts on the Oatie over the last five years I think we should cut the crap and have a list of players who have been/are immune to such. It would make life easier Rant over I've been in and out of this forum over the years and cant say I've noticed it changing in terms of the abuse dished out to players/managers in my opinion. Might be wrong. I am just amazed how little abuse goes to them upstairs. I get it that the Coates have been mostly fantastic for the club over the last 13 years and nobody wants to bite the hand that feeds. But I have a serious issue with some of the senior management roles. There is a problem up there because after so many managers after such a long period of stability something is going wrong somewhere up there. The so-called 'Pizza boys' get constant abuse on here. They are generally seen as the major culprits in our demise.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 23:00:07 GMT
I’ll add another post after reading yet again some shit on here. IMHO I’ve always tried to be balanced (I’ve slipped at times) in comment about a player, individual/collective performances, value to the team/squad or professionalism etc. Is it only me that has seen this board develop from a generally interesting and diverse forum into a dark canyon where it’s the name of the game to slaughter, slander and degenerate individual players as a matter of fashion rather than fact or constructive comment/opinion/critiscism. Rather than list the players who have had unjustified dogs abuse by so called supporters and self appointed football experts on the Oatie over the last five years I think we should cut the crap and have a list of players who have been/are immune to such. It would make life easier Rant over Spot on I would quite like Jack to read all of this and say to himself 'Well fuck you lot then, I'll go and play in the Premier League. See how long you cunts have to wait for another Stoke player to earn an England cap.' So we should be forever grateful just because he earned an England cap? Jack Butland hasn't been anywhere near the keeper he was before his injury and I'd be surprised if he wasn't a bit concerned by his form over the last 12 months or more. Yes he still pulls off world class saves every now and then, but is that enough? His kicking is ridiculously bad and his command of his six yard box isn't very good at best. Jack Butland is a good keeper but I'm not sure what premier league club would be in for him in the summer, well I can't think of one anywhere near the top half that would want him as their number one. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go to a top club as a number two, like Begovic did.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 1, 2019 23:03:01 GMT
He won't move to a top 6 club but that doesn't alter the fact that he is an excellent goalkeeper who should be playing in the top league. We're shit now, we would have been a whole lot more shit without Jack this season. If Grant had been in goal we wouldn't have been relagated Absolute hypothetical tripe
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