|
Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 19:42:47 GMT
Do you believe that they would have won the league with Pearson at the helm then? I certainly don't. Pearson was responsible for the first half of their Premiership winning season (Ranieri just let the momentum from their great escape to continue) and in the second half of the season Ranieri just made them hard to beat and took the pressure off them by being calm - very good hands off wiley old management. When he got more hands on the following season it all started to go wrong. When he was appointed at Fulham I thought it was a weird one - he isn't what you'd call a fire fighter and that laid back style was never going to do the trick with a struggling side. Lovely bloke - but wrong club at the wrong time. And Fulham look doomed - and shows what I know as I thought they'd do fine having seen them last year. "Pearson was responsible for the first half of their premiership winning season." I couldn't disagree more. He played no part in it whatsoever. Yes a good majority of the squad were signed by Pearson but it was Ranieri who turned them into champions from being in the bottom half of the table under Pearson. Yes they had a good end to the previous season, but what about the other 2/3 of that season? Nobody can say that they would have carried that form on under Pearson it's all pie in the sky guess work, but one thing is certain, Ranieri managed them in the season they won the league and he has to take the credit for that.
|
|
|
Post by basingstokie on Feb 28, 2019 19:47:42 GMT
Ridiculous sacking, do they really believe anyone else can keep them up. They've got rid of someone who could do a decent job on the championship.
Brutal reality is that their squad isn't good enough and I can't see any manager changing that.
If you keep on appointing duds surely you've got to look at the person doing the appointing. (this point is quite close to home too)
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 20:25:30 GMT
Do you believe that they would have won the league with Pearson at the helm then? I certainly don't. Pearson was responsible for the first half of their Premiership winning season (Ranieri just let the momentum from their great escape to continue) and in the second half of the season Ranieri just made them hard to beat and took the pressure off them by being calm - very good hands off wiley old management. When he got more hands on the following season it all started to go wrong. When he was appointed at Fulham I thought it was a weird one - he isn't what you'd call a fire fighter and that laid back style was never going to do the trick with a struggling side. Lovely bloke - but wrong club at the wrong time. And Fulham look doomed - and shows what I know as I thought they'd do fine having seen them last year. Not a chance, Pearson was a liability. Leicester were bottom at Christmas whilst he was in charge, he put a great run together and they survived in the end but it wasn't anything more than that. Ranieri gave them belief and pulled off a miracle, there is no way that would've happened with Pearson in charge based on his previous performance as manager - and the fact he hasn't been given a high profile job since then should also tell you all you need to know about the man. Fulham deserve all they get, they were daft getting rid of Jokanovic when they did and Ranieri hasn't been given a chance, if they wanted a fire fighter to keep them up they picked the wrong man.
|
|
|
Post by alsagerstokie on Feb 28, 2019 20:32:26 GMT
Do you believe that they would have won the league with Pearson at the helm then? I certainly don't. Pearson was responsible for the first half of their Premiership winning season (Ranieri just let the momentum from their great escape to continue) and in the second half of the season Ranieri just made them hard to beat and took the pressure off them by being calm - very good hands off wiley old management. When he got more hands on the following season it all started to go wrong. When he was appointed at Fulham I thought it was a weird one - he isn't what you'd call a fire fighter and that laid back style was never going to do the trick with a struggling side. Lovely bloke - but wrong club at the wrong time. And Fulham look doomed - and shows what I know as I thought they'd do fine having seen them last year. Nonsense im sorry. Ranieri should take the credit. Hard to beat. They went to Man City and won 3-1 and would play attacking football. Dont get me wrong pearson did well the season before keeping them up. Ranieri tho manged them to the league title. Yes others were below par but they still went for it almost every game. Vardy banging them in from all angles. That volley versus liverpool. In the away end as we took a 3-0 pasting. Basically credit Ranieri for the biggest shock in PL history.
|
|
|
Post by JoeinOz on Feb 28, 2019 20:53:16 GMT
Silly appointment. Look at Ranieris record to see why the miracle of 2016 was indeed a miracle
|
|
|
Post by kelw on Feb 28, 2019 22:34:32 GMT
Silly appointment. Look at Ranieris record to see why the miracle of 2016 was indeed a miracle I think any appointment was silly. Where now? They let a manager spend a fortune in the Summer then sack him half way through the season when still in with a chance
|
|
|
Post by JoeinOz on Feb 28, 2019 23:05:11 GMT
Silly appointment. Look at Ranieris record to see why the miracle of 2016 was indeed a miracle I think any appointment was silly. Where now? They let a manager spend a fortune in the Summer then sack him half way through the season when still in with a chance Prepare for next season in the championship.
|
|
|
Post by GoBoks on Mar 1, 2019 9:35:44 GMT
Wow, he must hold the record for the most teams managed! In the past 15 years he has managed 11 teams and he racked up 18 teams in total over his 33 year career. Despite his many successes, that is a pretty damning statistic in itself.
|
|
drbob
Spectator
Posts: 26
|
Post by drbob on Mar 1, 2019 9:52:06 GMT
No chance of stopping up won 3 in 17 aint gonna start winnin now. Bad recruitment. Feel a bit sorry for Ranieri all gone south since winning the title with Leicester. Yeah Leicester looks increasingly like a strange outlier in his later career. Seems a lovely bloke mind. No denying Ranieri did a masterful job of managing both the team and expectations in their title win. However (as much as I detest the bloke) some credit had to be given to the egotistical psychotic numpty Nigel Pearson who assembled the bulk of the team and turned Leicester from relegation candidates to title winning form over the last dozen or so games of the season. Obviously that ended with him imploding in self admiration. Love Ranieri but ‘The Tinkerman’ is hardly who you need in a relegation fight when consistency in team selection and tactics is key. Not strengthening defence in Jan was disgraceful. Would prefer not to be competing against Fulham for promotion next year if they retain half their attacking talent.
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 1, 2019 10:13:05 GMT
Yeah Leicester looks increasingly like a strange outlier in his later career. Seems a lovely bloke mind. No denying Ranieri did a masterful job of managing both the team and expectations in their title win. However (as much as I detest the bloke) some credit had to be given to the egotistical psychotic numpty Nigel Pearson who assembled the bulk of the team and turned Leicester from relegation candidates to title winning form over the last dozen or so games of the season. Obviously that ended with him imploding in self admiration. Love Ranieri but ‘The Tinkerman’ is hardly who you need in a relegation fight when consistency in team selection and tactics is key. Not strengthening defence in Jan was disgraceful. Would prefer not to be competing against Fulham for promotion next year if they retain half their attacking talent. I think there’s a lot of truth in that but I also think the amount of credit Pearson gets is dramatically overplayed. He did a fine job getting them organised but I have a hard time believing his meat and potatoes approach would’ve had them in the title picture - that owed so much to Ranieri getting things spot on in the big games. Key signings like Kante, Fuchs and Okazaki also came after Pearson had gone. Walsh probably deserves a lot of the credit as well.
|
|
|
Post by shakermaker on Mar 1, 2019 11:25:28 GMT
Key signings like Kante, Fuchs and Okazaki also came after Pearson had gone. Walsh probably deserves a lot of the credit as well. Fully agree with that last statement. Steve Walsh's astute recruitment setup at Leicester is what found gems like Mahrez and Kante who were pivotal to that title triumph. The guy is currently out of work. How I wish Uncle Peter would give Carthorse the boot and put Walsh in place. A trio of him, NJ and Hart working together would really help turn our club around this summer.
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 1, 2019 11:30:47 GMT
Key signings like Kante, Fuchs and Okazaki also came after Pearson had gone. Walsh probably deserves a lot of the credit as well. Fully agree with that last statement. Steve Walsh's astute recruitment setup at Leicester is what found gems like Mahrez and Kante who were pivotal to that title triumph. The guy is currently out of work. How I wish Uncle Peter would give Carthorse the boot and put Walsh in place. A trio of him, NJ and Hart working together would really help turn our club around this summer. Yep - dented a shade by his Everton experience but I think we’d all feel world’s better with him controlling the scouting rather than the Beswicks rollodex...
|
|
|
Post by cousindupree on Mar 1, 2019 11:36:04 GMT
Fully agree with that last statement. Steve Walsh's astute recruitment setup at Leicester is what found gems like Mahrez and Kante who were pivotal to that title triumph. The guy is currently out of work. How I wish Uncle Peter would give Carthorse the boot and put Walsh in place. A trio of him, NJ and Hart working together would really help turn our club around this summer. Yep - dented a shade by his Everton experience but I think we’d all feel world’s better with him controlling the scouting rather than the Beswicks rollodex... I guess he is still 'out of work' which is surprising. His Everton experience clearly has done noting for his reputation. He was much more successful at a smaller club in Leicester where money was a little tighter than at Everton. Seems tailor made for us as he is also lives in the NW. The board are holding us back in the misguided belief that John Coates, Scholes and Cartwright are the dream recruitment team. Their record over the last 2 years beggars belief. Why we haven't recruited someone of Walsh's knowledge and contacts is pretty mystifying.
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 1, 2019 11:47:31 GMT
Yep - dented a shade by his Everton experience but I think we’d all feel world’s better with him controlling the scouting rather than the Beswicks rollodex... I guess he is still 'out of work' which is surprising. His Everton experience clearly has done noting for his reputation. He was much more successful at a smaller club in Leicester where money was a little tighter than at Everton. Seems tailor made for us as he is also lives in the NW. The board are holding us back in the misguided belief that John Coates, Scholes and Cartwright are the dream recruitment team. Their record over the last 2 years beggars belief. Why we haven't recruited someone of Walsh's knowledge and contacts is pretty mystifying. I think the majority have still been manager-driven to be fair but it’s still hard to see what they’re actually bringing to the table isn’t it? When even a puff piece like the notorious Spinks one on Carto can’t come up with better than him finding Sobhi, you do wonder how he’s still in a job.
|
|
|
Post by mrcoke on Mar 1, 2019 11:55:08 GMT
Do you believe that they would have won the league with Pearson at the helm then? I certainly don't. Pearson was responsible for the first half of their Premiership winning season (Ranieri just let the momentum from their great escape to continue) and in the second half of the season Ranieri just made them hard to beat and took the pressure off them by being calm - very good hands off wiley old management. When he got more hands on the following season it all started to go wrong. When he was appointed at Fulham I thought it was a weird one - he isn't what you'd call a fire fighter and that laid back style was never going to do the trick with a struggling side. Lovely bloke - but wrong club at the wrong time. And Fulham look doomed - and shows what I know as I thought they'd do fine having seen them last year. I think your first paragraph above is very unfair. Why can't people give credit where it is due and not try and rewrite history to fit their theory? Pearson did an excellent job, but Ranieri improved the team with a number of shrewd signings including the Premier league's best player of the season Kante. He then strengthened the squad further in January to add depth and, as you say, improved their defending as they relied too much on outscoring the opposition in the first half of the season. The following season, they lost Kante, their 2 outstanding goal scorers didn't do as well, they took heavy defeats from top clubs early in the season (Everyone wants to take the Champions scalp.), they had European football to contend with which stretches resources to the maximum, and their defence was not as sound. I think any manager would have struggled to keep Leicester in a top place after the preceding season. To suggest things started to go wrong because of a more hands on approach is churlish.
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 1, 2019 12:01:17 GMT
Pearson was responsible for the first half of their Premiership winning season (Ranieri just let the momentum from their great escape to continue) and in the second half of the season Ranieri just made them hard to beat and took the pressure off them by being calm - very good hands off wiley old management. When he got more hands on the following season it all started to go wrong. When he was appointed at Fulham I thought it was a weird one - he isn't what you'd call a fire fighter and that laid back style was never going to do the trick with a struggling side. Lovely bloke - but wrong club at the wrong time. And Fulham look doomed - and shows what I know as I thought they'd do fine having seen them last year. I think your first paragraph above is very unfair. Why can't people give credit where it is due and not try and rewrite history to fit their theory? Pearson did an excellent job, but Ranieri improved the team with a number of shrewd signings including the Premier league's best player of the season Kante. He then strengthened the squad further in January to add depth and, as you say, improved their defending as they relied too much on outscoring the opposition in the first half of the season. The following season, they lost Kante, their 2 outstanding goal scorers didn't do as well, they took heavy defeats from top clubs early in the season (Everyone wants to take the Champions scalp.), they had European football to contend with which stretches resources to the maximum, and their defence was not as sound. I think any manager would have struggled to keep Leicester in a top place after the preceding season. To suggest things started to go wrong because of a more hands on approach is churlish. I think he deserves the bulk of the credit for winning the league but also the bulk of the blame for the things that led to his (correct) dismissal. Genuinely think he was taking them down.
|
|
|
Post by shakermaker on Mar 1, 2019 12:56:47 GMT
The following season, they lost Kante, their 2 outstanding goal scorers didn't do as well, they took heavy defeats from top clubs early in the season (Everyone wants to take the Champions scalp.), they had European football to contend with which stretches resources to the maximum, and their defence was not as sound The season after Leicester's title campaign shows how important a defensive midfielder is within the modern game. Kante was the only first-team player they lost in the close season, but the team went to pieces afterwards. That's because Kante protected that back four like a one-man iron wall and was the pivot for allowing Mahrez to work his magic and create chances for Vardy.
|
|