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Post by riproaringagain on Feb 28, 2019 13:05:17 GMT
We really don’t have to be concerned. Our CEO and Technical Director are already on the case for Ins & Outs for next season. Lessons learned will prevail and we’ll be on the ball for a solid promotion push I just take half of your tipple sir, a pint would be too strong for me 👍
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 13:17:48 GMT
Outs
1 Jack Butland 2 Moritz Bauer 4 Joe Allen 5 Ashley Williams 7 Tom Ince 10 Benik Afobe 12 Josh Tymon 15 Bruno Martins Indi 18 Mame Biram Diouf 19 Saido Berahino 24 Darren Fletcher 8 Peter Etebo 17 Ryan Shawcross 10 Sam Vokes 11 James McClean 14 Danny Batth 16 Charlie Adam 22 Sam Clucas 27 Bojan 30 Tom Edwards 32 Adam Federici 38 Ryan Woods
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Post by s8to on Feb 28, 2019 13:41:36 GMT
Outs 1 Jack Butland 2 Moritz Bauer 4 Joe Allen 5 Ashley Williams 7 Tom Ince 10 Benik Afobe 12 Josh Tymon 15 Bruno Martins Indi 18 Mame Biram Diouf 19 Saido Berahino 24 Darren Fletcher 8 Peter Etebo 17 Ryan Shawcross 10 Sam Vokes 11 James McClean 14 Danny Batth 16 Charlie Adam 22 Sam Clucas 27 Bojan 30 Tom Edwards 32 Adam Federici 38 Ryan Woods Who is left?? Thats crazy, the lack of continuity will almost certainly amount to failure!
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 28, 2019 14:58:22 GMT
We really don’t have to be concerned. Our CEO and Technical Director are already on the case for Ins & Outs for next season. Lessons learned will prevail and we’ll be on the ball for a solid promotion push I like it. No doubt we will have a few irons in the fire and be waiting for apples to drop.
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Post by Veritas on Feb 28, 2019 15:08:23 GMT
Outs 1 Jack Butland 2 Moritz Bauer 4 Joe Allen 5 Ashley Williams 7 Tom Ince 10 Benik Afobe 12 Josh Tymon 15 Bruno Martins Indi 18 Mame Biram Diouf 19 Saido Berahino 24 Darren Fletcher 8 Peter Etebo 17 Ryan Shawcross 10 Sam Vokes 11 James McClean 14 Danny Batth 16 Charlie Adam 22 Sam Clucas 27 Bojan 30 Tom Edwards 32 Adam Federici 38 Ryan Woods Impossible to achieve and would be stupid to even try, anyone with anything sensible to contribute?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 16:14:39 GMT
More or less agree Suspect Stoke will heavily subsidise one or two exits and we end up with about six out of the door. I do think there'll be far more than that. Fletcher and Haugaard are guaranteed - then Adam if we choose to is another cert. Then we've got real low hanging fruit in the players who only have 1-yr left - Pieters, Diouf, Cameron, Bojan. Those will be easy to move on from (and we probably will) So that should be 7 banked easily enough. After that, it does get trickier. But Butland and Allen could get us £20m between them pretty easily. All the problems come with ones under contract to 2021 and beyond: 2021 Butland Shawcross Imbula 2022 Bauer BMI Wimmer McClean Allen Ndiaye Clucas Berahino Ince 2023 Etebo And presumably Woods and Afobe are 2023 too, though it wasn't disclosed? I hope you are right, but Pieters, Diouf and Cameron.... all the wrong side of 30 and one last season on 30K or so per week.... I can see them settling for another loan out or bit part players if they are not part of plans. Bojan will go. But that 2022 list.... There's going to be some pain until then you would think....
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 28, 2019 16:39:50 GMT
I do think there'll be far more than that. Fletcher and Haugaard are guaranteed - then Adam if we choose to is another cert. Then we've got real low hanging fruit in the players who only have 1-yr left - Pieters, Diouf, Cameron, Bojan. Those will be easy to move on from (and we probably will) So that should be 7 banked easily enough. After that, it does get trickier. But Butland and Allen could get us £20m between them pretty easily. All the problems come with ones under contract to 2021 and beyond: 2021 Butland Shawcross Imbula 2022 Bauer BMI Wimmer McClean Allen Ndiaye Clucas Berahino Ince 2023 Etebo And presumably Woods and Afobe are 2023 too, though it wasn't disclosed? I hope you are right, but Pieters, Diouf and Cameron.... all the wrong side of 30 and one last season on 30K or so per week.... I can see them settling for another loan out or bit part players if they are not part of plans. Bojan will go. But that 2022 list.... There's going to be some pain until then you would think.... Yeah. None of it is going to be painless! But if all the Premier lot have had 50% wage cuts, it'll help. Even the 2020ers (Diouf, Cameron, Pieters, maybe even Bojan) could involve some kind of partial subsidising of wages and letting them go on a free to get rid permanently. Think they've all just about got enough about them to get some kind of deal elsewhere on a free though, and I do think we'll be able to work something out with those four as they enter their final year Not sure about the 2021ers apart from Butland though. Could well be another Imbula loan. And tough to see any interest in Shawcross. The 2022ers (and 2023ers) look very tough. Would think there'd be a taker for BMI somewhere in Europe. Probably Ndiaye too at a big loss, although not guaranteed. And Wimmer's desire to leave may mean something could happen there, but could well be another loan at best. The Rowett lot are going to be a big problem though, and unless Berahino gets sacked, we can forget getting rid of him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 16:40:03 GMT
Outs 1 Jack Butland 2 Moritz Bauer 4 Joe Allen 5 Ashley Williams 7 Tom Ince 10 Benik Afobe 12 Josh Tymon 15 Bruno Martins Indi 18 Mame Biram Diouf 19 Saido Berahino 24 Darren Fletcher 8 Peter Etebo 17 Ryan Shawcross 10 Sam Vokes 11 James McClean 14 Danny Batth 16 Charlie Adam 22 Sam Clucas 27 Bojan 30 Tom Edwards 32 Adam Federici 38 Ryan Woods So you're keeping Pieters and Haugaard. I have to admire your madness in making those two the spine of our future life as a promotion pushing club
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 28, 2019 16:52:47 GMT
Bang on. Look at the top scorers for instance:- Pukki - free Sharp - 2m Adams - 2m Abraham - loan Maupay 1.6m None of those will be availble for anywhere near those prices. That was how much they cost (past tense).
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 28, 2019 17:05:52 GMT
It's a mess whichever way you look at it!!!
A HUMONGOUS clear out is needed for sure....
However, I've never been one for making massive changes all in one go (ie: bringing in a load of new signings)!!!
In all honesty, anybody would struggle to fight a player's corner on who should stay out of this entire squad and beyond!!! Mine would be "Etebo", but I'm sure there'd be many who'd argue the point with me!!!
Anyhow, my point being.....allowing lots to go, also means bringing a fare few in.....I've yet to see that work straight away....Sunderland and QPR (under Hughes) spring to mind as front runners!!!
I think this mess will take longer than just another season.......I hope I'm wrong!!!
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 28, 2019 17:13:05 GMT
Bang on. Look at the top scorers for instance:- Pukki - free Sharp - 2m Adams - 2m Abraham - loan Maupay 1.6m problem is when you highlight that list it is probably 1% of players who have moved for under 2m sometimes you get lucky like us with steino but most times you end up with a dave bamber I don't think that's true. Wolves/Newcastle spent a lot. So did us and Villa (and flopped). One of the key ingredients is choice of manager - either a) seasoned British managers (Warnock, Bruce etc) with this kind of experience, or b) coaches with experience at clubs who have an elite/performance mentality (Biesla, Wagner, Farke, Benitez). The former know the league, the latter know how to maximise performance and get the mentality right. Both types know how to create togetherness, perhaps in different ways. This is the better route to success: spend on a manager with these attributes. And one who knows players inside out, because then he has better contacts, and more knowledge of such "gems" as these above.
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Post by kustokie on Feb 28, 2019 22:21:26 GMT
Outs 1 Jack Butland 2 Moritz Bauer 4 Joe Allen 5 Ashley Williams 7 Tom Ince 10 Benik Afobe 12 Josh Tymon 15 Bruno Martins Indi 18 Mame Biram Diouf 19 Saido Berahino 24 Darren Fletcher 8 Peter Etebo 17 Ryan Shawcross 10 Sam Vokes 11 James McClean 14 Danny Batth 16 Charlie Adam 22 Sam Clucas 27 Bojan 30 Tom Edwards 32 Adam Federici 38 Ryan Woods Who is left?? Thats crazy, the lack of continuity will almost certainly amount to failure! Relax. I think it was a joke
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 28, 2019 22:32:38 GMT
I have a feeling it’ll be the same dissapointing underperforming from the transfer teams with lots of loans rather than sales. I’d go with
Butland 15m Allen 15m Bauer loan to Germany NDaiye loan to Turkey Imbula loan to Spain Bojan MLS Wimmer loan to Germany Fletcher released Williams back to Everton Adam free to Scotland Diouf loan to Germany Pieters loan to Holland
I don’t think we’ll be able to shift Berahino and I think our transfer team are so inept they’ll struggle to do anything but loan all our players bar the 2 real assets. Could be a long summer but I think we’ll be stuck with Ince, McClean and Afobe for a good while yet.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Mar 1, 2019 5:47:02 GMT
Who is left?? Thats crazy, the lack of continuity will almost certainly amount to failure! Relax. I think it was a joke In fairness, I'd be well up for it. I can't wait to see the back of most of these plodders. Wholesale changes are usually bad because it disrupts continuity or consistency, which exactly what we need.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Mar 1, 2019 7:29:45 GMT
Diouf, Clucas and Berahino would be in my top three for the chop. God knows who'd want them though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 19:25:22 GMT
I believe that by the time they've sorted this lot out, I'll be too old to bother. I cannot stand how this club has been run over the last few years. It is beyond a joke! Why can't they get shut of Berahino at least? Now. Surely they can sack him. He must have a bomb proof contract! P.S. I thought he would rekindle his enthusiasm for the game when he signed for us. Whatamistakatomaka!
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 1, 2019 19:29:06 GMT
I believe that by the time they've sorted this lot out, I'll be too old to bother. I cannot stand how this club has been run over the last few years. It is beyond a joke! Why can't they get shut of Berahino at least? Now. Surely they can sack him. He must have a bomb proof contract! P.S. I thought he would rekindle his enthusiasm for the game when he signed for us. Whatamistakatomaka! Senior management clear out required to run in tandem with the player clear out. That's what is really required. Proper talent in the key roles of technical director and CEO. Sort it out Stoke you are a bloody embarrassment given the funds we've pissed away.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 10, 2019 10:06:27 GMT
In the paper, he mentioned Butland, McClean, and Bojan.
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Post by bolders on Mar 10, 2019 13:02:27 GMT
If we can get some money for McClean and Bojan that will be good We should get a good fee for Butland £15m+ But who then becomes our first choice keeper Fletcher will be gone. Wonder if he will hangup his bots and go n to coaching think he would be good addition to anyone's coaching staff Adam isn't getting any younger or fitter do we stick for a year or let him go? There will be a few suitors for Allen and we should comand a good fee for him another £15m+ Etebo could go :-( So could Bauer :-( We could get a small fee for Pieters, Cameron and Diouf if we can shift them Hopeful sack Berahino Wimmer and Imbula get what we can for them and get them off the wage bill N'diaye send him to a shit league, other than Turkey, or try and convince a Chinese team to take him
So for a first team we will be looking at
New GK Edwards Batth BMI New LB New DM Woods New CM Ince Vokes Afobe
So that's 4 we need just for the first team if he can get Woods playing like he did at Brentford and Ince steps up
Bench (not including youth) Frederici Shawcross Adam (maybe) Clucas (dont think he is going anywhere)
Add the youth Tymon Soutter Sorensen Verlinden Campbell
So looking at my projection we will need 1xGK 1xRB (back-up) 1xLB (will James Justin come if they are promoted) 1xDM (Ben Pearson?) 2xCM (Romaine Sawyers?) 1xAM 1xFW (3 forwards not enough to cover injuries)
That's a minimum of 8 players if we go on my projection and we back fill the squad with the youth
NB* This is just my projection who knows what will happen. If anyone has got any ideas on players please feel free to fill them in
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 10, 2019 13:13:57 GMT
I think woods will be offered out, whether we get rid is another issue
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Post by bolders on Mar 10, 2019 13:25:35 GMT
I think woods will be offered out, whether we get rid is another issue He wasn't a bad player at Brentford so i dont know whats gone wrong hopefully some time down and some proper coaching in the off season and he will benefit
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 10, 2019 13:36:48 GMT
Just posted on another thread but I think we can easily see 9 or ten leaving this summer. I think berahino will be sacked. .
Out of contract/less than one year left or sold
Haugaard Butland Bauer Bruno Pieters Fletcher Adam Woods Bojan Ince Mcclean Imbula Diouf
I think we will have to loan out wimmer and badou.
Most of that list above will go. I think there would be takers for ince and mcclean at the top end of this league or lower premier league. Woods, maybe he would be loaned out too
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 10, 2019 14:20:52 GMT
I'd be surprised if we get 10 new signings and they wouldn't be decent ones, we'd have to spend £110m at least. Not neccasarily, sheff utd have 3 or 4 players in their squad that had previous championship experience before joining them.
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Post by tony1234 on Mar 10, 2019 20:33:09 GMT
Who are the priorities? (if we had a say???) Wimmer, Imbula, N'Diaye not included.
? 1. Berahinho - v. hard to shift. Can't picture a scenario unless we sacked him, or Celtic/Rangers had a windfall (he'd so fit at Rangers!). But hope springs eternal. 2. Clucas - still has potential for a fee (could see 3m to Huddersfield/Fulham/Derby). Even without Sat, he is pointless. Need a LB as priority now. 3. Williams - replace with younger. 4. Diouf - better all round if he moves on. 5. Maclean - doesn't fit system, not creative enough.
Butland & Allen to go with Fletcher and Pieters.
We'll be looking for key recruits at GK, LB, CM, L/RMF, Fwd - and picking up a further squad players at CB, CM and Fwd (if Berahinho goes), depending on fate of U23s.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2019 20:39:41 GMT
If we can get some money for McClean and Bojan that will be good We should get a good fee for Butland £15m+ But who then becomes our first choice keeper Fletcher will be gone. Wonder if he will hangup his bots and go n to coaching think he would be good addition to anyone's coaching staff Adam isn't getting any younger or fitter do we stick for a year or let him go? There will be a few suitors for Allen and we should comand a good fee for him another £15m+ Etebo could go :-( So could Bauer :-( We could get a small fee for Pieters, Cameron and Diouf if we can shift them Hopeful sack Berahino Wimmer and Imbula get what we can for them and get them off the wage bill N'diaye send him to a shit league, other than Turkey, or try and convince a Chinese team to take him So for a first team we will be looking at New GK Edwards Batth BMI New LB New DM Woods New CM Ince Vokes Afobe So that's 4 we need just for the first team if he can get Woods playing like he did at Brentford and Ince steps up Bench (not including youth) Frederici Shawcross Adam (maybe) Clucas (dont think he is going anywhere) Add the youth Tymon Soutter Sorensen Verlinden Campbell So looking at my projection we will need 1xGK 1xRB (back-up) 1xLB (will James Justin come if they are promoted) 1xDM (Ben Pearson?) 2xCM (Romaine Sawyers?) 1xAM 1xFW (3 forwards not enough to cover injuries) That's a minimum of 8 players if we go on my projection and we back fill the squad with the youth NB* This is just my projection who knows what will happen. If anyone has got any ideas on players please feel free to fill them in 15m is not a good fee for Jack.
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Post by bolders on Mar 10, 2019 20:50:47 GMT
If we can get some money for McClean and Bojan that will be good We should get a good fee for Butland £15m+ But who then becomes our first choice keeper Fletcher will be gone. Wonder if he will hangup his bots and go n to coaching think he would be good addition to anyone's coaching staff Adam isn't getting any younger or fitter do we stick for a year or let him go? There will be a few suitors for Allen and we should comand a good fee for him another £15m+ Etebo could go :-( So could Bauer :-( We could get a small fee for Pieters, Cameron and Diouf if we can shift them Hopeful sack Berahino Wimmer and Imbula get what we can for them and get them off the wage bill N'diaye send him to a shit league, other than Turkey, or try and convince a Chinese team to take him So for a first team we will be looking at New GK Edwards Batth BMI New LB New DM Woods New CM Ince Vokes Afobe So that's 4 we need just for the first team if he can get Woods playing like he did at Brentford and Ince steps up Bench (not including youth) Frederici Shawcross Adam (maybe) Clucas (dont think he is going anywhere) Add the youth Tymon Soutter Sorensen Verlinden Campbell So looking at my projection we will need 1xGK 1xRB (back-up) 1xLB (will James Justin come if they are promoted) 1xDM (Ben Pearson?) 2xCM (Romaine Sawyers?) 1xAM 1xFW (3 forwards not enough to cover injuries) That's a minimum of 8 players if we go on my projection and we back fill the squad with the youth NB* This is just my projection who knows what will happen. If anyone has got any ideas on players please feel free to fill them in 15m is not a good fee for Jack. I did put £15M plus he should be more but 2 factors will be at force here one he will probably insist on a move and two this is Stokes transfer team remember
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Post by jarvinski on Mar 10, 2019 20:53:30 GMT
You’d get rid of Charlie and keep fucking clucas, you rain in
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 10, 2019 21:11:12 GMT
15m is not a good fee for Jack. I did put £15M plus he should be more but 2 factors will be at force here one he will probably insist on a move and two this is Stokes transfer team remember I don't disagree with any of that, sad though it is/will be
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Post by lordb on Mar 10, 2019 21:49:14 GMT
15m is not a good fee for Jack. I did put £15M plus he should be more but 2 factors will be at force here one he will probably insist on a move and two this is Stokes transfer team remember There isn't a transfer team for outgoing transfers. Just Scholes
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Post by bolders on Mar 10, 2019 22:18:10 GMT
You’d get rid of Charlie and keep fucking clucas, you rain in Well seeing as he plays most games no matter what happens I think NJ will keep him so wind your neck in
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