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Post by 3putts on Feb 28, 2019 5:56:27 GMT
I agree with the sentiments but should we be playing with the force that is life or death? I think come push or a shove I would agree to have my organs used to give someone else life but I think we are going down a dangerous road. what next raid poor countries and offer them money for their organs? its all becoming a bit big brother.
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Post by santy on Feb 28, 2019 6:03:01 GMT
I agree with the sentiments but should we be playing with the force that is life or death? I think come push or a shove I would agree to have my organs used to give someone else life but I think we are going down a dangerous road. what next raid poor countries and offer them money for their organs? its all becoming a bit big brother. Given advances in science it would be surprising if this lasted a century, the morality side always tends to hold back some advancements which has its own positives and negatives but there will come a time when using organs from others will be archaic and inefficient. They will just grow you a new organ of sufficient quality, likely with far less rejection issues than happens today at some point. This might not even last a full generation given where we're currently at. Which to be honest is probably more a reflection of the fact it should have been done probably in the 80's or so.
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Post by 3putts on Feb 28, 2019 7:42:55 GMT
Playing devil's advocate. But one scenario is a young girl say 13 in desperate need of a kidney but they struggle to find a perfect match, but into hospital a 45 year old male involved in a bad car accident his injuries are severe but given time he would make a full recovery, however he is a perfect match for the young girls kidney would you let him die on the operating table? And would it make a difference if he was a bit of a toe rag?
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Post by duckling on Feb 28, 2019 9:15:03 GMT
In the US we opt in when renewing our drivers licenses. Organ Donor is stated on your license, which is the logical place since car accident,victims are one of the biggest sources of donors. One of the few things we seem to be getting right these days. On the question of preferring to give an organ to a “worthy” recipient . I wonder how people feel about donating their livers to alcoholics such as George Best, who I believe had two liver transplants and still died from his disease. How do we judge a worthy recipient? This could potentially rule out entire groups of people such as alcoholics and smokers whose only hope is a liver, heart or heart-lung transplant. No way did George Best's celebrity status not affect his transplants. The baseball legend Mickey Mantle destroyed his liver drinking, and he got a new liver one day after joining the list, and he died anyway two months later. Steve Jobs jumped the queue as well. That kind of favoritism makes my blood boil. I feel a reasonable criterion for deservingness/morality is to give priority to people who were on the donor list before becoming sick. Why should someone who wasn't willing to donate get an organ before someone who was? Plus, I bet you would see organ donor rates skyrocket. As it stands, there are a lot of freeloaders who want to reap all the benefits from the organ transplant network but aren't willing to contribute.
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Post by duckling on Feb 28, 2019 9:30:46 GMT
Playing devil's advocate. But one scenario is a young girl say 13 in desperate need of a kidney but they struggle to find a perfect match, but into hospital a 45 year old male involved in a bad car accident his injuries are severe but given time he would make a full recovery, however he is a perfect match for the young girls kidney would you let him die on the operating table? And would it make a difference if he was a bit of a toe rag? I know a trauma surgeon, and in such a scenario they would absolutely not let the patient die. He wouldn't know the patient's organ donor status, nor would he know that there was a perfect match nearby. The organ donation question only becomes relevant when the patient dies or is put on life support and unlikely to recover. In cases when patients are put on life support, they ask the family whether they want to pull the plug and raise the organ donation issue with them at that time. I can envision an unethical situation, however, in which they put undue pressure on a family to pull the plug after they find out that the patient is a registered organ donor.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Feb 28, 2019 10:32:03 GMT
I believe that I am like many others who don't carry a donor card...an illogical fear that doing so would lead to something bad happening to me...crazy I know, but that's the way it is. I am pretty sure there are many more like me and I have heard this mentioned by those advocating the law change On that basis I am 100% in favour of this change... Not even looked into this. If it means I am now a donor (unless I opt out) then that'll do me. I just need inform the wife to not override.
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Post by Gods on Feb 28, 2019 11:10:13 GMT
I agree with the sentiments but should we be playing with the force that is life or death? I think come push or a shove I would agree to have my organs used to give someone else life but I think we are going down a dangerous road. what next raid poor countries and offer them money for their organs? its all becoming a bit big brother. We've been playing life and death ever since Fleming invented penicillin, this is just more of it. There is a huge problem I think in the sense that we can keep the human body alive for decades longer than in the past but we know relatively so little about the brain. Is that partly why we have a dementia crisis, we keep the body alive long enough now for it to kick in, it was always lurking, but fewer people lived long enough to develop it. Longevity is also the back drop to the pensions crisis.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Feb 28, 2019 11:25:16 GMT
I agree with the sentiments but should we be playing with the force that is life or death? I think come push or a shove I would agree to have my organs used to give someone else life but I think we are going down a dangerous road. what next raid poor countries and offer them money for their organs? its all becoming a bit big brother. We've been playing life and death ever since Fleming invented penicillin, this is just more of it. It's a huge problem I think in the sense that we can keep the human body alive for decades longer than in the past but we know relatively so little about the brain. Is that partly why we have a dementia crisis, we keep the body alive long enough now for it to kick in, it was always lurking? And long before Fleming. If there is a downside to this law, it is overwhelmingly out-weighed by the good. On dementia. Is it a silver lining that we might forget we support SCFC? And completely off-piste, it is a little known fact that our penalty takers carry donor cards but with warnings about the efficacy of the right/left foot.
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Post by madnellie on Feb 28, 2019 12:35:04 GMT
In the US we opt in when renewing our drivers licenses. Organ Donor is stated on your license, which is the logical place since car accident,victims are one of the biggest sources of donors. One of the few things we seem to be getting right these days. On the question of preferring to give an organ to a “worthy” recipient . I wonder how people feel about donating their livers to alcoholics such as George Best, who I believe had two liver transplants and still died from his disease. How do we judge a worthy recipient? This could potentially rule out entire groups of people such as alcoholics and smokers whose only hope is a liver, heart or heart-lung transplant. No way did George Best's celebrity status not affect his transplants. The baseball legend Mickey Mantle destroyed his liver drinking, and he got a new liver one day after joining the list, and he died anyway two months later. Steve Jobs jumped the queue as well. That kind of favoritism makes my blood boil. I feel a reasonable criterion for deservingness/morality is to give priority to people who were on the donor list before becoming sick. Why should someone who wasn't willing to donate get an organ before someone who was? Plus, I bet you would see organ donor rates skyrocket. As it stands, there are a lot of freeloaders who want to reap all the benefits from the organ transplant network but aren't willing to contribute. Yes, the disparity between celebrities and us mere mortals is so unfair. I know for a fact they won't normally give transplants here to alcoholics/addicts/smokers unless they've made the necessary lifestyle changes for a good period of time. Which is how it should be in my opinion. It's daft and such a waste to give an organ to someone who is just going to ruin it and use it to hurt themselves and others more.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Feb 28, 2019 12:39:21 GMT
Playing devil's advocate. But one scenario is a young girl say 13 in desperate need of a kidney but they struggle to find a perfect match, but into hospital a 45 year old male involved in a bad car accident his injuries are severe but given time he would make a full recovery, however he is a perfect match for the young girls kidney would you let him die on the operating table? And would it make a difference if he was a bit of a toe rag? I think this is the problem a lot of people have signing up..if I was the one on the table would the doctor be doing his very best to save me ...
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Post by onefatcopper on Feb 28, 2019 17:15:32 GMT
Wouldn’t it be great if Stoke could get Scholes & Cartwright involved in this scheme, after all they have unparalleled success in obtaining spare organs that are no longer required ! Wimmer, Fletcher, Berahino, Ince, etc
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2019 17:23:45 GMT
I feel sorry for the poor fucker who gets my organs.
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Post by santy on Feb 28, 2019 18:34:52 GMT
Ultimately, the real worry is when some bright spark in the Tory party realises that there's a lot of rejected organs for various reasons, and decides that in order to further cut benefits the rejected organs should be blended into some kind of paste that is dished out to those on benefits as sustenance.
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