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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2019 11:03:22 GMT
Didn’t he take a knock though before that situation which may have been hampering him? Definitely looked that way to me. I remember it prompting a convo with those around that if he was hurt who would come on to replace him with Bauer not on the bench and then everyone realising it would probably be Diouf going to play there! I don't get why he's getting bashed. He's young he made a mistake. Really is the least of our problems. Everyone needs to get a grip.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 27, 2019 11:03:49 GMT
For me he is still lacking basic decision making skills and in particular when to stay tight and when to drop off. This isn't a new thing, he's done it from day one and whilst I accept he's learning stiil, it's a fundamental part of defending. There are at least a couple of occasions every game where he comes unstuck in this area resulting in getting easily turned, or giving a foul away which has included penalties. I have my doubts as to whether he can work out this part of his game as it is so important and if he hasn't got it by now I'm not sure he will. I hope I am wrong because the rest of his game is quite solid.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Feb 27, 2019 11:05:02 GMT
Young, Athletic, Passionate.
Everything I want in a fullback.
He's young, he'll make mistakes - he will also learn from them.
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Post by philm87 on Feb 27, 2019 12:57:34 GMT
I think take him out of the firing line now. He looks scared. Experienced pros should be able to hand this kind of pressure, for a young lad like Edward playing in this kind of atmosphere must be really difficult. You can see he doesn't know when to run forward and when to hold his position and the fullback are vital in giving us width in this system. Right now I would prefer Bauer as he offers more going forward but I hope Tom will have a long career at Stoke.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 27, 2019 13:19:59 GMT
Definitely made a mistake on Saturday, which ultimately cost us two points...but who was tracking Adomah's run? He had the freedom of the box to slot home the equaliser.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 27, 2019 13:42:23 GMT
Definitely made a mistake on Saturday, which ultimately cost us two points...but who was tracking Adomah's run? He had the freedom of the box to slot home the equaliser. The biggest weakness of the diamond is the lack of cover behind the fullback when they bomb forward. Edwards' problem is that he's learning his trade in one of the most exposed positions on the pitch given the way we set up. It's the position where making a mistake will lead to the worst, most frequent (and most memorable) consequences. He made a mistake - and he'll make others - but there's definitely enough there to worth persevering with him. I'd far rather have on the pitch than Bauer who, in terms of positioning at least, is far worse and looks incapable of learning from his mistakes.
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 27, 2019 14:05:48 GMT
Definitely made a mistake on Saturday, which ultimately cost us two points...but who was tracking Adomah's run? He had the freedom of the box to slot home the equaliser. That is the bigger picture problem. Individuals will make mistakes but as a team you minimise how many of them become costly. When Edwards gets caught too far up, Etebo gets caught in no mans land between marking a man and covering his full back, he ends up effectively doing nothing other than running alongside their man (probably because he'd not long been booked) and gets proper caught out when he switches on the afterburner. Adam was never going to get back onside of the man Etebo eventually left to try and help Edwards and Batth couldn't really do anything else which leaves Adomah having a free run into the box because Allen was also too far forward. It was either concentration or lack of fitness from the moment we lost possession.
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Post by unknown182 on Feb 27, 2019 16:19:26 GMT
The problem is that he's now our first choice right back at 20 years old. Most young players at other clubs have older pros that play in the same position to talk to and learn from. He will have to figure everything out for himself.
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Post by Veritas on Feb 28, 2019 15:16:19 GMT
The problem is that he's now our first choice right back at 20 years old. Most young players at other clubs have older pros that play in the same position to talk to and learn from. He will have to figure everything out for himself. That is what the coaching team are there for, the clue is in the name!
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Post by kelw on Feb 28, 2019 15:50:53 GMT
The lad deserves time and I hope it gets it for the rest of the season. He's come into a dog shet side with no morale so isn't getting the assistance you would ideally like young lads to get from the more experienced pros. He makes mistakes but I've seen glimpses of real promise at times. I've got my fingers crossed for the lad. Can't blame other players for his roasting v Villa. They targeted him second half and he was awful. Certainly not the most mobile but has potential
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Post by UsAndThem on Feb 28, 2019 20:05:26 GMT
The most frustrating thing about Edwards is that when he is attacking, he never tries to take his man on to get a cross in. Every time he crosses the ball he seems to carry it to around 10 yards short of the 18 years box but in a wider position and stop and then try to whip a cross in around the back of their defence. I think it’s worked once when we have been on the counter but usually it’s far to easy to defend against. He never changes it up and gets down the line to whip a square cross in or a hard and low cross in. I have been critical of him but he does seem to be improving. Still don’t think he is good enough for the formation we are trying to play. He hasn’t got the right attributes
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 28, 2019 20:31:23 GMT
Young, Athletic, Passionate. Everything I want in a fullback. He's young, he'll make mistakes - he will also learn from them. ...but will he ever be faster? If not he won't be the answer I'm afraid. As it is now he is way to vulnerable to pace!
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 1, 2019 15:47:52 GMT
The lad deserves time and I hope it gets it for the rest of the season. He's come into a dog shet side with no morale so isn't getting the assistance you would ideally like young lads to get from the more experienced pros. He makes mistakes but I've seen glimpses of real promise at times. I've got my fingers crossed for the lad. Can't blame other players for his roasting v Villa. They targeted him second half and he was awful. Certainly not the most mobile but has potential It was more of a general grumble that "them" upstairs have presided over our decline to the point where introducing young lads into the team is very difficult because we are basically errrr……. bloody rubbish.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 1, 2019 16:02:31 GMT
A young aspiring fullback with potential in Edwards, who'll make mistakes as he's still learning. Or a Glen Johnson (type) who dropped regular ones because his best years were behind him and retired when released?
Let me think about that one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 21:29:40 GMT
Young, Athletic, Passionate. Everything I want in a fullback. He's young, he'll make mistakes - he will also learn from them. You don't want him to be able to defend, close down the opponent, tackle him into the stands, mark him till he hates the sight of Edwards...?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 21:44:37 GMT
I think he's doing great. A young lad, being blood in a very questionable side with a horrible mish mash of ability and character, along with many who are struggling to come to terms with relegation.
He's playing behind a player who is dreadfully out of form having been previously played in a diamond, all in his first proper full season at first team level, in a season where we've changed manager, of which the first one showed no faith in him.
We have some right sorts in our fan base that take great delight in hammering young lads.
The same people no doubt criticise the club for allowing Tyrese Campbell to leave on loan.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 1, 2019 22:16:18 GMT
IMHO it’s a pity Edwards didn’t come to the fore when Walters was here to play in front of him. He would certainly have had the knowledge and confidence to play to a level that reflects his natural potential/ability when going forward and defending.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 2, 2019 0:46:44 GMT
Young, Athletic, Passionate. Everything I want in a fullback. He's young, he'll make mistakes - he will also learn from them. ...but will he ever be faster? If not he won't be the answer I'm afraid. As it is now he is way to vulnerable to pace! You don't have to be fast to deal with pace, there's always going to be someone faster somewhere, he needs to learn from mistakes and if he does he'll go on to have a good career.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 2, 2019 0:50:01 GMT
The most frustrating thing about Edwards is that when he is attacking, he never tries to take his man on to get a cross in. Every time he crosses the ball he seems to carry it to around 10 yards short of the 18 years box but in a wider position and stop and then try to whip a cross in around the back of their defence. I think it’s worked once when we have been on the counter but usually it’s far to easy to defend against. He never changes it up and gets down the line to whip a square cross in or a hard and low cross in. I have been critical of him but he does seem to be improving. Still don’t think he is good enough for the formation we are trying to play. He hasn’t got the right attributes I'm not saying he does it all the time but there's been a few times he's put a square cross in, the one that comes to mind was in Vokes first game (I think) and he was inches away from putting it in the back of the net, I wouldn't be surprised if he's got half a mind on getting back if it goes wrong or they get caught on the break stopping him from committing too often.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 2, 2019 10:27:18 GMT
...but will he ever be faster? If not he won't be the answer I'm afraid. As it is now he is way to vulnerable to pace! You don't have to be fast to deal with pace, there's always going to be someone faster somewhere, he needs to learn from mistakes and if he does he'll go on to have a good career. As a fullback you need decent pace, without it you will at best be average.
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Post by humbersidepotter on Mar 2, 2019 11:05:00 GMT
He was naive, he should've kicked him into the stand on the half way line while he had the chance. I don't think he's "slow" though at all. I'm fascinated to why he gets so much bashing though, it's fucking odd. Because other than two maybe three games this season he's been shit. Really don't get the hype. People saying 'he's only 20' as are Trent Alexander Arnold and Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Reece James and Max Aarons are both 18, they're all capable of defending. Edwards is so suspect. It's nothing to do with age, if you're good enough you're old enough. People are deluded if they think he'll make a top class footballer and he gets let off with so much because he's local. At best he will eventually be a championship level player. Everybody's desperate for a new Wilko style local boy, don't get me wrong I'd love one myself. But Edwards isn't going to be that. Admittedly he's been one of the better players in the last 3-4 games, but that's not exactly difficult. He needs a loan to League 1.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 2, 2019 12:49:37 GMT
You don't have to be fast to deal with pace, there's always going to be someone faster somewhere, he needs to learn from mistakes and if he does he'll go on to have a good career. As a fullback you need decent pace, without it you will at best be average. I think most people will agree, certainly the England manager does, that Kieran Trippier is currently the best English right back/right wing back. I'v just seen him get absolutely rinsed both tactically and then for pace by Iwobi. The difference was when he was beaten for pace down the line there were several other defenders who stepped across to help him out and snuffed out the danger giving him time to get back. Unlike with Edwards who was completely hung out to dry by his team mates at the time and has been on here in the seven days since.
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Post by kelw on Mar 2, 2019 13:01:33 GMT
As a fullback you need decent pace, without it you will at best be average. I think most people will agree, certainly the England manager does, that Kieran Trippier is currently the best English right back/right wing back. I'v just seen him get absolutely rinsed both tactically and then for pace by Iwobi. The difference was when he was beaten for pace down the line there were several other defenders who stepped across to help him out and snuffed out the danger giving him time to get back. Unlike with Edwards who was completely hung out to dry by his team mates at the time and has been on here in the seven days since. As a full-back you do your job first and Edwards for me is getting singled out as a weak link by the opposition. Not sure which away game it was recently where we went to pieces when he came on as gave the ball away way too much and left us isolated. He isn't a bad player but got a long way to go. Not into this blaming others for a player's errors.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 2, 2019 13:20:19 GMT
As a fullback you need decent pace, without it you will at best be average. I think most people will agree, certainly the England manager does, that Kieran Trippier is currently the best English right back/right wing back. I'v just seen him get absolutely rinsed both tactically and then for pace by Iwobi. The difference was when he was beaten for pace down the line there were several other defenders who stepped across to help him out and snuffed out the danger giving him time to get back. Unlike with Edwards who was completely hung out to dry by his team mates at the time and has been on here in the seven days since. Help or not from your team mates, there will occur a lot of situations during a season where pace will be absolutely essential. I'd say more often for a fullback than any other players on the pitch. This is my opinion, I'd love to see Edwards succeed for Stoke, but I've already seen too many times how he struggles for pace and I honestly think he won't be able to improve this much in the future. This is the reason why I prefer Bauer at right back and also think it will be easier to make a really good fullback out of Tymon than Edwards.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Mar 2, 2019 17:15:25 GMT
Superb today!
He was my man of the match.
Well done Tom.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 2, 2019 17:21:59 GMT
Played well did Eddy!!!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 2, 2019 17:24:53 GMT
He can be a bit erratic but he’s still learning and definately has talent and will get better. If we can get that JJ guy from Luton to play LB we’ll have a very decent back 4.
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Post by harlequin on Mar 2, 2019 17:26:29 GMT
I can see why people like him, he's tenacious, cautious and always communicating with the rest of the team.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 2, 2019 17:28:28 GMT
Superb today! He was my man of the match. Well done Tom. He was very good as was Batth and BMI but I thought Joe Allen was MoM
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 2, 2019 17:29:32 GMT
Had an OK game this afternoon, but still I thought the other 3 defenders were better to be honest.
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