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Post by Veritas on Feb 26, 2019 9:37:58 GMT
Must admit I berated him for it at the time but maybe it's more a lack of experience. No excuses for the rest of the shower of shit tho. He should be experienced enough to not let his man just get away, don't try pulling him back, take him down... Yes Edwards done for pace and proessionalism, he can be coached on that, but Etebo should have seen he was struggling and got across to block their player off
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 26, 2019 11:04:33 GMT
I've been told that in the diamond if a fullback is caught upfield the centre back on his side should move over to cover with the base of the diamond/defensive midfielder dropping in to the resulting space in the middle which is why it takes time to get used to as the team needs to be fluid and players need to be adaptable to situations. This clearly didn't happen on Saturday as Batth was still central (and I have to say I thought he was slow in closing down the cross)
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Post by neddy on Feb 26, 2019 11:42:10 GMT
I've been told that in the diamond if a fullback is caught upfield the centre back on his side should move over to cover with the base of the diamond/defensive midfielder dropping in to the resulting space in the middle which is why it takes time to get used to as the team needs to be fluid and players need to be adaptable to situations. This clearly didn't happen on Saturday as Batth was still central (and I have to say I thought he was slow in closing down the cross) I thought though we had ditched the diamond on Saturday....
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Post by lordb on Feb 26, 2019 12:27:45 GMT
I've been told that in the diamond if a fullback is caught upfield the centre back on his side should move over to cover with the base of the diamond/defensive midfielder dropping in to the resulting space in the middle which is why it takes time to get used to as the team needs to be fluid and players need to be adaptable to situations. This clearly didn't happen on Saturday as Batth was still central (and I have to say I thought he was slow in closing down the cross) I thought though we had ditched the diamond on Saturday.... yes we haven't played the diamond in the last two games
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 26, 2019 12:46:34 GMT
It's been 4-1-4-1 the past couple of games. We've probably played slightly better than we did with the diamond.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Feb 26, 2019 14:47:12 GMT
He should be experienced enough to not let his man just get away, don't try pulling him back, take him down... Yes Edwards done for pace and proessionalism, he can be coached on that, but Etebo should have seen he was struggling and got across to block their player off Totally agree mate, can't remember who it was but another player came across with etebo. 3 players not dealing with one player, (he wasn't Messi 😁) at this level is criminal. One of those should of took him down. 👍
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Post by teanstokie on Feb 26, 2019 15:57:49 GMT
I think Jones will get us somewhere but it will take some time and he has to win over the players, and that's actually winning them over not just the players paying lip service to what he has to say while behind his back they are slagging him off ( bit like most folks do within their own work environment, we can see that on the pitch with the half hearted performances.
The only thing an Allardyce and Moyes would have brought was an instant surge from the players, and self belief, because the club would have brought in some one who has been there and done that a number of times and with that comes a big reputation, which leads to confidence which leads to a belief we are going to achieve something.
But we have Jones now, and we have to look at the long term plan and not just a short burst approach a "big name" would have brought us.
I will reserve judgement till next Jan when he has had a couple more windows- a big one to clear out and bring his men in and the Jan window for some slight tweaking.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 26, 2019 16:01:53 GMT
The dullest diamond ever.
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Post by stokeson on Feb 26, 2019 20:43:21 GMT
I think Jones will get us somewhere but it will take some time and he has to win over the players, and that's actually winning them over not just the players paying lip service to what he has to say while behind his back they are slagging him off ( bit like most folks do within their own work environment, we can see that on the pitch with the half hearted performances. The only thing an Allardyce and Moyes would have brought was an instant surge from the players, and self belief, because the club would have brought in some one who has been there and done that a number of times and with that comes a big reputation, which leads to confidence which leads to a belief we are going to achieve something. But we have Jones now, and we have to look at the long term plan and not just a short burst approach a "big name" would have brought us. I will reserve judgement till next Jan when he has had a couple more windows- a big one to clear out and bring his men in and the Jan window for some slight tweaking. What are you basing any of this on / One good season in Div 1 or do you belive he has Divine intervention like he does?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 20:48:07 GMT
I think Jones will get us somewhere but it will take some time and he has to win over the players, and that's actually winning them over not just the players paying lip service to what he has to say while behind his back they are slagging him off ( bit like most folks do within their own work environment, we can see that on the pitch with the half hearted performances. The only thing an Allardyce and Moyes would have brought was an instant surge from the players, and self belief, because the club would have brought in some one who has been there and done that a number of times and with that comes a big reputation, which leads to confidence which leads to a belief we are going to achieve something. But we have Jones now, and we have to look at the long term plan and not just a short burst approach a "big name" would have brought us. I will reserve judgement till next Jan when he has had a couple more windows- a big one to clear out and bring his men in and the Jan window for some slight tweaking. What are you basing any of this on / One good season in Div 1 or do you belive he has Divine intervention like he does? Think he’s basing it on the brilliant attacking Luton team that he built and these shitty smart arse religion comments really aren’t funny.
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Post by stokeson on Feb 26, 2019 20:53:07 GMT
What are you basing any of this on / One good season in Div 1 or do you belive he has Divine intervention like he does? Think he’s basing it on the brilliant attacking Luton team that he built and these shitty smart arse religion comments really aren’t funny. Luton for gods sake are a small club by comparison to the mighty Stoke hes done f$ck all in the game. I agree about the religious comments .I don't want them spouted at me in his pre match talk.
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Post by Absolution on Feb 26, 2019 21:07:56 GMT
Think he’s basing it on the brilliant attacking Luton team that he built and these shitty smart arse religion comments really aren’t funny. Luton for gods sake are a small club by comparison to the mighty Stoke hes done f$ck all in the game. I agree about the religious comments .I don't want them spouted at me in his pre match talk. That's what it boils down to really, doesn't it. Just personal dislike of his religious beliefs. You never wanted to give him a chance.
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Post by stokeson on Feb 26, 2019 21:44:18 GMT
Luton for gods sake are a small club by comparison to the mighty Stoke hes done f$ck all in the game. I agree about the religious comments .I don't want them spouted at me in his pre match talk. That's what it boils down to really, doesn't it. Just personal dislike of his religious beliefs. You never wanted to give him a chance. I have no problem with his or any other persons beliefs.I just think hes not even as good as Rowett as a manager and Rowett wasn't good enough for Stoke .I wanted an experience head to deal with the mess we are in not chancers trying to improve their sum what limited CVs.
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Post by Absolution on Feb 26, 2019 21:50:34 GMT
That's what it boils down to really, doesn't it. Just personal dislike of his religious beliefs. You never wanted to give him a chance. I have no problem with his or any other persons beliefs.I just think hes not even as good as Rowett as a manager and Rowett wasn't good enough for Stoke .I wanted an experience head to deal with the mess we are in not chancers trying to improve their sum what limited CVs. Wanting an experienced head and continually sniping at someone because they're not, when they've not had the chance to prove what they can do with their new team are two different things.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 26, 2019 21:52:14 GMT
the two arguments I am reading on all these threads as to why we should exhibit some patience are
a) it will take time for our players to get used to the system Jones wants to play
b) that in the Summer there will be a mass clearout and Jones will bring a new set of players
Am I the only who thinks these 2 don't quite add up?
What's the logic behind getting players used to a system that they are not familiar with if they are not going to be here by the time they get used to it!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2019 21:52:40 GMT
That's what it boils down to really, doesn't it. Just personal dislike of his religious beliefs. You never wanted to give him a chance. I have no problem with his or any other persons beliefs.I just think hes not even as good as Rowett as a manager and Rowett wasn't good enough for Stoke .I wanted an experience head to deal with the mess we are in not chancers trying to improve their sum what limited CVs. You mean someone like OGS at Man Utd. Has Loads of experience managing at the top flight doesn’t he, and he hasn’t done too bad. Maybe, just maybe, Jones needs a little bit of patience.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Feb 26, 2019 22:01:57 GMT
the two arguments I am reading on all these threads as to why we should exhibit some patience are a) it will take time for our players to get used to the system Jones wants to play b) that in the Summer there will be a mass clearout and Jones will bring a new set of players Am I the only who thinks these 2 don't quite add up? What's the logic behind getting players used to a system that they are not familiar with if they are not going to be here by the time they get used to it!!! I guess it's because the chances of a mass clear out happening in the summer are extremely thin due to the long and lucrative contracts that all these wastrel players are on?
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Post by LankyPotter on Feb 26, 2019 22:03:24 GMT
I have no problem with his or any other persons beliefs.I just think hes not even as good as Rowett as a manager and Rowett wasn't good enough for Stoke .I wanted an experience head to deal with the mess we are in not chancers trying to improve their sum what limited CVs. You mean someone like OGS at Man Utd. Has Loads of experience managing at the top flight doesn’t he, and he hasn’t done too bad. Maybe, just maybe, Jones needs a little bit of patience. Great point! He needs alot of patience, its going to take time but everyone knew that. He has openly asked for patience. Give him time and the stability and progression will come.
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Post by Absolution on Feb 26, 2019 22:03:36 GMT
the two arguments I am reading on all these threads as to why we should exhibit some patience are a) it will take time for our players to get used to the system Jones wants to play b) that in the Summer there will be a mass clearout and Jones will bring a new set of players Am I the only who thinks these 2 don't quite add up? What's the logic behind getting players used to a system that they are not familiar with if they are not going to be here by the time they get used to it!!! As others have pointed out, he’s not really used his diamond formation in the past couple of games anyway, presumably because he doesn’t think it suits the players. If it was that he’d been using it, I’d have said he’s doing so because maybe not as many of the current players will be shifted as we’d like, so some of them will need to get used to it. It may also be that by bringing in three of four key players, some of the current players will prove to be more effective, meaning a wholesale clearout won’t be necessary.
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Post by laneendstokie on Feb 26, 2019 22:10:34 GMT
I have no problem with his or any other persons beliefs.I just think hes not even as good as Rowett as a manager and Rowett wasn't good enough for Stoke .I wanted an experience head to deal with the mess we are in not chancers trying to improve their sum what limited CVs. You mean someone like OGS at Man Utd. Has Loads of experience managing at the top flight doesn’t he, and he hasn’t done too bad. Maybe, just maybe, Jones needs a little bit of patience. The big difference is although OGS is inexperienced he has the advantage of a talented squad fully behind him, Jones appears to have the exact opposite.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Feb 26, 2019 22:16:32 GMT
I have no problem with his or any other persons beliefs.I just think hes not even as good as Rowett as a manager and Rowett wasn't good enough for Stoke .I wanted an experience head to deal with the mess we are in not chancers trying to improve their sum what limited CVs. You mean someone like OGS at Man Utd. Has Loads of experience managing at the top flight doesn’t he, and he hasn’t done too bad. Maybe, just maybe, Jones needs a little bit of patience. That's exactly what he needs, patience. Because he will start to change Stoke City for the better, I truly believe that. I haven't felt this optimistic about us for a long time and my gut is telling me this man is going to get us out of the shit. I never expected him to come in and change things straight away, and he will never ever get a tune out of the majority of this squad. The board know that, they are not stupid, Jones is there long term plan believe me, and they are riding out this shit show of a season to allow Nathan to re-build in the summer. Which is why we need to allow him the patience of this season and start afresh in the summer. None of this is his fault, and I think he has a very toxic dressing room to deal with, no matter what anyone says, there are a lot of arrogant players here, who possibly think they are better than Stoke City and even any manager in the top 6 would struggle to get a tune out of them. I think the fact that our two best looking players at the moment are the two that he signed. They seem like good characters and are playing for Stoke City because they WANT to play for our club! We will see a lot more of these type of players in the summer, and the bad eggs through the door. Well know then who the culprits possibly are. He just needs time, no matter how shit it is at the moment, the board know this, NJ knows this, so we should know this.
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Post by stokeson on Feb 27, 2019 1:10:16 GMT
You mean someone like OGS at Man Utd. Has Loads of experience managing at the top flight doesn’t he, and he hasn’t done too bad. Maybe, just maybe, Jones needs a little bit of patience. That's exactly what he needs, patience. Because he will start to change Stoke City for the better, I truly believe that. I haven't felt this optimistic about us for a long time and my gut is telling me this man is going to get us out of the shit. I never expected him to come in and change things straight away, and he will never ever get a tune out of the majority of this squad. The board know that, they are not stupid, Jones is there long term plan believe me, and they are riding out this shit show of a season to allow Nathan to re-build in the summer. Which is why we need to allow him the patience of this season and start afresh in the summer. None of this is his fault, and I think he has a very toxic dressing room to deal with, no matter what anyone says, there are a lot of arrogant players here, who possibly think they are better than Stoke City and even any manager in the top 6 would struggle to get a tune out of them. I think the fact that our two best looking players at the moment are the two that he signed. They seem like good characters and are playing for Stoke City because they WANT to play for our club! We will see a lot more of these type of players in the summer, and the bad eggs through the door. Well know then who the culprits possibly are. He just needs time, no matter how shit it is at the moment, the board know this, NJ knows this, so we should know this. Some of you lot seem to "belive" any old bollocks that's thrown at you that's fine by me but please when has "time " been a commodity in any results driven business.Its been proven The board know FA .NJ knows FA and we Know FA about how things are being run. Just my point off view I maybe wrong but I "belive" im right.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 23:43:57 GMT
That might as well have read "I don't like him and nothing will change my mind" But with even less tact and coherence 😵😵😵
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Post by stokeson on Mar 3, 2019 0:00:48 GMT
That might as well have read "I don't like him and nothing will change my mind" But with even less tact and coherence 😵😵😵 If you read my post.In a results driven business points will change my mind. I don't like or dislike him .I wanted a more experienced manager but its been pointed out to me that Pulis didn't have a much better record so we will have to wait and see. Never been one to be a blind follower of anything but whatevers your "bag" man.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 3, 2019 0:13:53 GMT
That might as well have read "I don't like him and nothing will change my mind" But with even less tact and coherence 😵😵😵 If you read my post.In a results driven business points will change my mind. I don't like or dislike him .I wanted a more experienced manager but its been pointed out to me that Pulis didn't have a much better record so we will have to wait and see. Never been one to be a blind follower of anything but whatevers your "bag" man. Pretty sure you have said you are not a Jones fan and have made plenty of posts to suggest you don't like him. It is obvious though that after a win you will backtrack and pretend you are giving him a chance and you are impartial. But the next time we lose you will be on his back with the same old bullshit we read every week. You wanted an experienced manager like who? Martin o neill? Bit silly arnt you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 9:12:27 GMT
Why has the original post been deleted?
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Post by stokeson on Mar 3, 2019 11:15:50 GMT
If you read my post.In a results driven business points will change my mind. I don't like or dislike him .I wanted a more experienced manager but its been pointed out to me that Pulis didn't have a much better record so we will have to wait and see. Never been one to be a blind follower of anything but whatevers your "bag" man. Pretty sure you have said you are not a Jones fan and have made plenty of posts to suggest you don't like him. It is obvious though that after a win you will backtrack and pretend you are giving him a chance and you are impartial. But the next time we lose you will be on his back with the same old bullshit we read every week. You wanted an experienced manager like who? Martin o neill? Bit silly arnt you. When have I ever mentioned Martin O I said experienced not old. After a win I feel nothing but joy but will need a few more befor im a Jones Happyclapper ( sorry fan) .
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 3, 2019 14:53:02 GMT
Pretty sure you have said you are not a Jones fan and have made plenty of posts to suggest you don't like him. It is obvious though that after a win you will backtrack and pretend you are giving him a chance and you are impartial. But the next time we lose you will be on his back with the same old bullshit we read every week. You wanted an experienced manager like who? Martin o neill? Bit silly arnt you. When have I ever mentioned Martin O I said experienced not old. After a win I feel nothing but joy but will need a few more befor im a Jones Happyclapper ( sorry fan) . Who were you hoping for with experience? And wanting the manager and team to do well is not happyclapping it is called supporting. That's what we are arnt we supporters, well some of us.
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