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Diouf.
Feb 24, 2019 17:35:44 GMT
Post by Miles Offside on Feb 24, 2019 17:35:44 GMT
For a man who's paid tens of thousands of pounds every week to do nothing but maintain a high level of fitness and hone his footballing skills, he was bloody awful.
We've got a younger, fitter, faster player on the bench (25 goals last season) and no clue how to get the best out of him.
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Feb 24, 2019 17:50:10 GMT
Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 24, 2019 17:50:10 GMT
Diouf would be OK in the 2nd.Div.
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Feb 24, 2019 18:30:25 GMT
Post by adamsson on Feb 24, 2019 18:30:25 GMT
Diouf would be OK in the 2nd.Div. Unlike Stoke city who seem to be struggling?
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 24, 2019 18:35:27 GMT
Tells you all you need to know about what Jones thinks of Afobe when Diouf comes on after Vokes injury!!
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Feb 24, 2019 18:46:41 GMT
Post by adamsson on Feb 24, 2019 18:46:41 GMT
And you sir, are a bell-end. Woosh!
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Post by emmbrook1956 on Feb 24, 2019 19:44:00 GMT
Tells you all you need to know about what Jones thinks of Afobe when Diouf comes on after Vokes injury!! Personally, I was pleased to see Diouf come on. However, within the matter of 10 to 15 minutes, I was berating him. How many times does he get caught offside? The first or second time was when there was a ball sent through and he was on the right able to look along the line, but went too early! Schoolboy stuff! in the second half he was worse. Once incident so reminded me of Spurs last year when we had three against one and he found the Spurs player! Appalling performance. If he knocks on Nathan’s door I hope he is told ‘go and find another club.’ Saying all that, I am not one to rant about players but enough is enough. Diouf has been a great servant of the club. He has played in numerous positions for the team. He was played right back and pleaded for a chance upfront. He accepted his lot. Now though he seems to be completely out of sorts. It is sad really to see a player who could regularly win aerial challenges, not win one. His lack of anticipation, is pitiful. He does not gamble anymore on the Ball coming through to him! I will surprised if he features again! So this begs the question why bring him on before Afobe? I can only think to give him a chance as the focal point? IMHO I think that experiment failed miserably.
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Feb 24, 2019 19:56:36 GMT
Post by pottersrule on Feb 24, 2019 19:56:36 GMT
Appalling performance. No threat in behind, no hold up play whatsoever and his off the ball performance was non existent. After his bellyaching in the press this week I expected a whole load more. He was the sole reason we spent the entire second half in our own half. The team literally had no outlet at all. Have to say I was shocked at how off the pace he was.In his defence it's been a long time since he's played,and even longer since he played as a loan striker.I am pretty sad that he will probably be remembered by that performance,as it may well be his last.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 24, 2019 20:20:10 GMT
One game and people start slagging him off! If this was Bojan it would have been acceptable and he needs another 10 games to get up to speed. Could we give all our players the same chance to get back to fitness please? Give him a 100 games, he might learn the offside rule, how to control a ball and how to look something like a footballer. If you want someone who runs around a lot or has a bit of pace ( neither of which have been in evidence in his past 2 years at Stoke) then find a place for him at full back or wide right instead of Ince. Given that a centre forward is meant to have some ball control and some natural awareness of how to finish, then MBD is clearly not a forward. Good we have McClean then!
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Feb 24, 2019 20:54:52 GMT
Post by zigazaga on Feb 24, 2019 20:54:52 GMT
Lets face it Diouf is a clown and always has been. Charlie Cairoli would do a better job for us imo.
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Diouf.
Feb 24, 2019 21:37:12 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 24, 2019 21:37:12 GMT
When the thru ball came to him to run on too I thought he was gonna be in for a shot on target, and I can only think of 2 reasons why he didn't get near it;
- there was a patch of black ice on the edge of the area - he's fucking gash.
I went for the latter.
Then to sum it up he had a great opportunity to pass the ball from the left and ended up knocking some poor cunts bovril over by attempting to hit the open space above the changing rooms.
Piss poor.
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Diouf.
Feb 24, 2019 21:59:19 GMT
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Post by hyaduck on Feb 24, 2019 21:59:19 GMT
I’m surprised people are giving him some slack by stating he was off the pace because he’s not playing for a while, Bollocks!!! The club I play for started preseason games two weeks ago, apart from training none of us have played for three months but although slightly rusty we still remember what to do. This clown is complete gash... He earns a lot of money for pretending to be a footballer, I just hope he never puts on a Stoke shirt again.
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Feb 24, 2019 22:11:36 GMT
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Post by wilcopotter on Feb 24, 2019 22:11:36 GMT
Means well, but sadly he’s crap.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 22:18:15 GMT
Tells you all you need to know about what Jones thinks of Afobe when Diouf comes on after Vokes injury!! Personally, I was pleased to see Diouf come on. However, within the matter of 10 to 15 minutes, I was berating him. How many times does he get caught offside? The first or second time was when there was a ball sent through and he was on the right able to look along the line, but went too early! Schoolboy stuff! in the second half he was worse. Once incident so reminded me of Spurs last year when we had three against one and he found the Spurs player! Appalling performance. If he knocks on Nathan’s door I hope he is told ‘go and find another club.’ Saying all that, I am not one to rant about players but enough is enough. Diouf has been a great servant of the club. He has played in numerous positions for the team. He was played right back and pleaded for a chance upfront. He accepted his lot. Now though he seems to be completely out of sorts. It is sad really to see a player who could regularly win aerial challenges, not win one. His lack of anticipation, is pitiful. He does not gamble anymore on the Ball coming through to him! I will surprised if he features again! So this begs the question why bring him on before Afobe? I can only think to give him a chance as the focal point? IMHO I think that experiment failed miserably. When a player has played very little over a long period you need to play him for at least a couple of games before you can expect him to reach anything like the levels of the player he replaced. Also you need to communicate to the ball players behind him that Diouf needs to have the ball played to him a certain way. You'd expect Allen to know it, but others have never actually played with him before. But no such communication seemed to come from the bench. Not saying that Diouf is the answer to our problems, but don't give up on him just yet.
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Feb 24, 2019 23:00:48 GMT
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Post by Jimmyg on Feb 24, 2019 23:00:48 GMT
Tells you all you need to know about what Jones thinks of Afobe when Diouf comes on after Vokes injury!! Personally, I was pleased to see Diouf come on. However, within the matter of 10 to 15 minutes, I was berating him. How many times does he get caught offside? The first or second time was when there was a ball sent through and he was on the right able to look along the line, but went too early! Schoolboy stuff! in the second half he was worse. Once incident so reminded me of Spurs last year when we had three against one and he found the Spurs player! Appalling performance. If he knocks on Nathan’s door I hope he is told ‘go and find another club.’ Saying all that, I am not one to rant about players but enough is enough. Diouf has been a great servant of the club. He has played in numerous positions for the team. He was played right back and pleaded for a chance upfront. He accepted his lot. Now though he seems to be completely out of sorts. It is sad really to see a player who could regularly win aerial challenges, not win one. His lack of anticipation, is pitiful. He does not gamble anymore on the Ball coming through to him! I will surprised if he features again! So this begs the question why bring him on before Afobe? I can only think to give him a chance as the focal point? IMHO I think that experiment failed miserably. I agree, didn't look like he was making any effort which is normally his strong point.No point in him being here anymore as hes made it clear he wants to leave.
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Feb 25, 2019 0:21:10 GMT
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Post by callas12 on Feb 25, 2019 0:21:10 GMT
I find it strange how Jones thinks he was a better focal point than the bloke we’ve just paid £12m for, especially when he was nowhere near the first team 2 weeks ago, has a moan about it then magically appears on the bench yesterday and comes on ahead of Afobe. Jones really is clutching at straws with this group of players isn’t he. Its clear Jones either isnt a fan of Afobe or that he doesn't fit in to his current thinking, & after yesterdays disappointing experiment with Diouf when Vokes went off it makes me think even more that we should of kept hold of Tyrese Campbell in January. It would have been far more beneficial for him & us if he was learning his trade & getting match fit with Stoke than on loan at Shrewsbury. He'd managed to force his way onto the bench on a more regular basis this season & featured in Jones first few matches & was playing quite well & I'd guess he'd of been a straight second choice behind Vokes in the striker pecking order in Jones thoughts, especially if he's to be a crucial figure in Jones future reconstructing plans for next season. If Vokes is out for any particular length of time the thought of Diouf, Afobe or McLean leading the attack is a real worry. Campbell would of slotted in there nicely & the way he plays, would of provided the Villa defence with more problems yesterday than Diouf did.
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Feb 25, 2019 8:24:59 GMT
Post by westgatelakes on Feb 25, 2019 8:24:59 GMT
Granted Diouf was awful on Saturday but the real problem in our forward line in my opinion are the 2 so called wingers.
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Feb 25, 2019 8:40:47 GMT
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Post by lordb on Feb 25, 2019 8:40:47 GMT
Tells you all you need to know about what Jones thinks of Afobe when Diouf comes on after Vokes injury!! Personally, I was pleased to see Diouf come on. However, within the matter of 10 to 15 minutes, I was berating him. How many times does he get caught offside? The first or second time was when there was a ball sent through and he was on the right able to look along the line, but went too early! Schoolboy stuff! in the second half he was worse. Once incident so reminded me of Spurs last year when we had three against one and he found the Spurs player! Appalling performance. If he knocks on Nathan’s door I hope he is told ‘go and find another club.’ Saying all that, I am not one to rant about players but enough is enough. Diouf has been a great servant of the club. He has played in numerous positions for the team. He was played right back and pleaded for a chance upfront. He accepted his lot. Now though he seems to be completely out of sorts. It is sad really to see a player who could regularly win aerial challenges, not win one. His lack of anticipation, is pitiful. He does not gamble anymore on the Ball coming through to him! I will surprised if he features again! So this begs the question why bring him on before Afobe? I can only think to give him a chance as the focal point? IMHO I think that experiment failed miserably. To answer your question because Afobe has been absolutely crap.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 25, 2019 8:51:05 GMT
Personally, I was pleased to see Diouf come on. However, within the matter of 10 to 15 minutes, I was berating him. How many times does he get caught offside? The first or second time was when there was a ball sent through and he was on the right able to look along the line, but went too early! Schoolboy stuff! in the second half he was worse. Once incident so reminded me of Spurs last year when we had three against one and he found the Spurs player! Appalling performance. If he knocks on Nathan’s door I hope he is told ‘go and find another club.’ Saying all that, I am not one to rant about players but enough is enough. Diouf has been a great servant of the club. He has played in numerous positions for the team. He was played right back and pleaded for a chance upfront. He accepted his lot. Now though he seems to be completely out of sorts. It is sad really to see a player who could regularly win aerial challenges, not win one. His lack of anticipation, is pitiful. He does not gamble anymore on the Ball coming through to him! I will surprised if he features again! So this begs the question why bring him on before Afobe? I can only think to give him a chance as the focal point? IMHO I think that experiment failed miserably. To answer your question because Afobe has been absolutely crap. M ame Diouf, who hadn’t even appeared on the bench previously under Jones, was dramatically thrust into the spotlight as replacement for Vokes following his recall to the matchday 18.
Jones acknowledged he has yet to see the striker at his best, explaining: “He’s de-conditioned at the minute. He’s not ready, not match fit
“Benik (Afobe) would have been the more ready substitution, but Benik’s not a target man who can lead the line, he’s one who goes off the target man.
“We put Mame up there because he’s more of a replacement for Sam.
“We didn’t envisage losing Sam that early and that was a blow because he’s a focal point for us.”
Narrator on Stoke City: The Disaster Years DVD
"Of course, the previous manager had spent £12.5m on Afobe to be a target man and lead the line"
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2019 9:22:17 GMT
Lets face it Diouf is a clown and always has been. Charlie Cairoli would do a better job for us imo. A clown able to get into double fixtures at the highest level of football is the exact description of a clown I'd like us to have!
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Feb 25, 2019 9:43:09 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Feb 25, 2019 9:43:09 GMT
Lets face it Diouf is a clown and always has been. Charlie Cairoli would do a better job for us imo. A clown able to get into double fixtures at the highest level of football is the exact description of a clown I'd like us to have! Rob that was 5 years ago- he is not and never has been a clinical finisher- we create few chances so those that we do make need to have someone who can control the ball, shoot accurately to make the most of them. If I asked you to bet your house on Diouf taking 1 in 4 of any chances presented to him, be honest, would you take it?
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Feb 25, 2019 11:38:56 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2019 11:38:56 GMT
A clown able to get into double fixtures at the highest level of football is the exact description of a clown I'd like us to have! Rob that was 5 years ago- he is not and never has been a clinical finisher- we create few chances so those that we do make need to have someone who can control the ball, shoot accurately to make the most of them. If I asked you to bet your house on Diouf taking 1 in 4 of any chances presented to him, be honest, would you take it? Not sure I would give any of our players such odds to be honest, but we've seen over time that he at least gets into good positions when reasonably fit, even at a higher level. This is not something you can say about most of our players. I'm not a big fan of Diouf either, but the way we play now I think he could work quite well alongside Vokes. He needs to be fit first of course, but doesn't everybody? He started a game or two early in the season and got on the score sheet too against Hull, but after that he was left out of the team again. A lot of people are calling for Bojan to play and speaks about his one goal against Rotherham, but nobody mentions Diouf's goal? He hasn't been given more time this season than Bojan, but one obviously needs time the other one is expected to be ready right away!? With the options we have up front I still think the pairing of Vokes and Diouf could come good after some games, and would be better than Vokes & Afobe in the long run. McClean will never become a good striker, never! Just the way I see it.
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Feb 25, 2019 11:49:29 GMT
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Post by hyaduck on Feb 25, 2019 11:49:29 GMT
Comparing Diouf & Bojan is laughable, Diouf is quick but quite frankly, a terrible footballer who really struggles with the basics.
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Feb 25, 2019 12:06:32 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Feb 25, 2019 12:06:32 GMT
Rob that was 5 years ago- he is not and never has been a clinical finisher- we create few chances so those that we do make need to have someone who can control the ball, shoot accurately to make the most of them. If I asked you to bet your house on Diouf taking 1 in 4 of any chances presented to him, be honest, would you take it? Not sure I would give any of our players such odds to be honest, but we've seen over time that he at least gets into good positions when reasonably fit, even at a higher level. This is not something you can say about most of our players. I'm not a big fan of Diouf either, but the way we play now I think he could work quite well alongside Vokes. He needs to be fit first of course, but doesn't everybody? He started a game or two early in the season and got on the score sheet too against Hull, but after that he was left out of the team again. A lot of people are calling for Bojan to play and speaks about his one goal against Rotherham, but nobody mentions Diouf's goal? He hasn't been given more time this season than Bojan, but one obviously needs time the other one is expected to be ready right away!? With the options we have up front I still think the pairing of Vokes and Diouf could come good after some games, and would be better than Vokes & Afobe in the long run. McClean will never become a good striker, never! Just the way I see it. Well given our options, there is nothing to lose by letting Diouf have some games with Vokes.
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Feb 25, 2019 12:11:19 GMT
Post by mrred on Feb 25, 2019 12:11:19 GMT
Aside from his absolutely dog shit performance with the ball and not winning a single header, he'd just drift off into nowhere, where he'd be completely ineffective and 9/10- offside. Just completely fucking aloof to the game going on.
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Feb 25, 2019 12:15:09 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 12:15:09 GMT
Aside from his absolutely dog shit performance with the ball and not winning a single header, he'd just drift off into nowhere, where he'd be completely ineffective and 9/10- offside. Just completely fucking aloof to the game going on. Same as Afobe all season then... Diouf at least didn't fall over every time someone went near him
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Post by Old School Stokie on Feb 25, 2019 12:29:55 GMT
Give Diof 10 chances in a game and he might convert 1 - he's gash and part of the demise of SCFC - fuck him off
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 12:45:23 GMT
He was poor, but anyone thrown in to a game with literally 90 minutes of under-23's football in the last 4 months under his belt in the type of role he was playing would struggle.....
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Feb 25, 2019 16:09:05 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Feb 25, 2019 16:09:05 GMT
Not sure I would give any of our players such odds to be honest, but we've seen over time that he at least gets into good positions when reasonably fit, even at a higher level. This is not something you can say about most of our players. I'm not a big fan of Diouf either, but the way we play now I think he could work quite well alongside Vokes. He needs to be fit first of course, but doesn't everybody? He started a game or two early in the season and got on the score sheet too against Hull, but after that he was left out of the team again. A lot of people are calling for Bojan to play and speaks about his one goal against Rotherham, but nobody mentions Diouf's goal? He hasn't been given more time this season than Bojan, but one obviously needs time the other one is expected to be ready right away!? With the options we have up front I still think the pairing of Vokes and Diouf could come good after some games, and would be better than Vokes & Afobe in the long run. McClean will never become a good striker, never! Just the way I see it. Well given our options, there is nothing to lose by letting Diouf have some games with Vokes. My thoughts as well!
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Feb 25, 2019 16:29:18 GMT
Post by shakermaker on Feb 25, 2019 16:29:18 GMT
He was poor, but anyone thrown in to a game with literally 90 minutes of under-23's football in the last 4 months under his belt in the type of role he was playing would struggle..... I agree and I feel sorry for Mame that he had such an abysmal game under these circumstances. He's never been a prolific striker for us and I was stunned by how bad he was at the weekend, but we know he's played with enough heart to earn the benefit of the doubt. Diouf's main asset has always been his pace, but in all his time here we have never used it effectively. IMO he was always better suited to a counter-attacking side that makes the most of that pace, but we have never played like that. The problem is if he doesn't get the ball in the exact spot he wants, his body language gives the impression he's not interested. If he was ring rusty, I suggest Mame comes out and explains that to the fans so he can knuckle down and have another go. Sadly at 31, he's probably lost that pace which is the only good thing he had going for him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 17:58:21 GMT
Tells you all you need to know about what Jones thinks of Afobe when Diouf comes on after Vokes injury!! I don't think Jones thought he was a better option than Afobe. I think he was giving Diouf a chance. Unfortunately Diouf failed to take it...miserably.
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