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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 23:40:52 GMT
The fact that members of the Independent group are now defending austerity and their part in it has really put a dampener on the whole 'we're a sensible centre-left party' tbh.
Labour has issues, but this weird free capitalist 'centre' group is no answer to anything.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 21, 2019 1:01:22 GMT
Apartheid ? There are 400 mosques in Israel, 73 in Jeruslem. In 1988 there were only 80 mosques. The isreali government pays grants to 300 imams doesnt sound much like apartheid too me. Nice use of well known anti semitic trope to end with though momo. No tropes, no anti-Semitism, simply saying what you see and contextualizing it in terms of history. www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/19/israel-adopts-controversial-jewish-nation-state-law "Israel passed a controversial law declaring that only Jews have the right of self-determination in the country.......The legislation stipulates that “Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and they have an exclusive right to national self-determination in it”.
It also strips Arabic of its designation as an official language alongside Hebrew, downgrading it to a “special status” that enables its continued use within Israeli institutions". It's a two tier system based on division, racism and tiered society What would you call it? 213 days of an apartheid state. You'd think you'd see a bit of it on the news wouldn't you. Perhaps something is going on? History. King David used Jerusalem for his Capital 3000 years ago. About 1500 years before Islam was invented in that cave. Israel's self-determination is only called "controversial" by Jew haters and Guardian journo's.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 21, 2019 1:02:52 GMT
Good riddance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 7:22:52 GMT
Because where’s the evidence that’s it anti Semitism against normal British Jews. Only a summary but see here for example: www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-45030552 everything accused is anti Zionist or anti Israel not anti your average British Jew Which is my point. People read and hear anti-Semite and think this is racism against British Jews but it isn’t. It’s all come from an anti-Zionist and anti-Israel stance. And now you have these MPs, like Luciana Berger who is very pro-Israel saying it’s anti-Semitism but it’s not about Jews as a race it’s about Israel. Hopefully I’ve explained myself now. Where to start with this..... the article you linked even says zionism is used as code for anti semitism. Racist grandpa laid a wreath for a member of the terrorist organisation who murdered israeli athletes but thats ok because he is anti israel ? I mean it also kind of ignores the reason why the state of Israel as we know it today exists..... Luciana Berger is british she has received shocking amounts of racism, last count 3 or 4 are in prison over it, thats over racism and threats made to her in britain not because of criticism of israel. Honestly your whole argument is for the fairies. Where do I start with that: 1. The article says it was recommended the word Zionism should be used because people are equating it with anti-Semitism when it isn’t. 2. As evidence of racism against your normal British Jews you’ve quoted: a) a wreath being laid at memorial of for the civilians killed in the 1985 Israeli air strike which was near the graves of some of those thought to be involved in 1972 attack on Israeli athletes b) some nasty horrible psychos on the internet sending death threats to a Jewish MP
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 21, 2019 7:25:33 GMT
No tropes, no anti-Semitism, simply saying what you see and contextualizing it in terms of history. www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/19/israel-adopts-controversial-jewish-nation-state-law "Israel passed a controversial law declaring that only Jews have the right of self-determination in the country.......The legislation stipulates that “Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and they have an exclusive right to national self-determination in it”.
It also strips Arabic of its designation as an official language alongside Hebrew, downgrading it to a “special status” that enables its continued use within Israeli institutions". It's a two tier system based on division, racism and tiered society What would you call it? 213 days of an apartheid state. You'd think you'd see a bit of it on the news wouldn't you. Perhaps something is going on? History. King David used Jerusalem for his Capital 3000 years ago. About 1500 years before Islam was invented in that cave. Israel's self-determination is only called "controversial" by Jew haters and Guardian journo's. Racist twat.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 21, 2019 7:33:58 GMT
Apartheid ? There are 400 mosques in Israel, 73 in Jeruslem. In 1988 there were only 80 mosques. The isreali government pays grants to 300 imams doesnt sound much like apartheid too me. Nice use of well known anti semitic trope to end with though momo. No tropes, no anti-Semitism, simply saying what you see and contextualizing it in terms of history. www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/19/israel-adopts-controversial-jewish-nation-state-law "Israel passed a controversial law declaring that only Jews have the right of self-determination in the country.......The legislation stipulates that “Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and they have an exclusive right to national self-determination in it”.
It also strips Arabic of its designation as an official language alongside Hebrew, downgrading it to a “special status” that enables its continued use within Israeli institutions". It's a two tier system based on division, racism and tiered society What would you call it? 213 days of an apartheid state. You'd think you'd see a bit of it on the news wouldn't you. Perhaps something is going on? Absolute bang on but the normal defenders of democracy seem to have a blind spot when a country blatantly acts un democratically if it just happens to be Israel The way that country was set up and run is nothing short of a stain on humanity
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Post by felonious on Feb 21, 2019 8:13:58 GMT
How is it in response to British Jews being racially abused. Where is the evidence that the anti-Semitic accusations against him are a result of racially abusing British Jews? There isn’t any is there. There’s evidence he hasn’t like some Jews in the labour parties pro-Israel stance, taking funds from Israel and his historic meetings with pro Palestine supporters. There’s nothing to suggest he has anything against your average Britain Jew. But by calling him an anti-Semitic when all he’s really done is not approve of Israel’s policies makes people think he he’s now racially abusing British Jews! The press and some of the Labour Party will stop at nothing until they find something they can discredit Corbyn for to the extent where it’s untenable for him to continue in the job. It’s a witch hunt, nothing more. For the record he’s doing a bang average job, I think he’s a genuine human being which is more than the majority of PMs, and he’s the polar opposite of the deplorable scumbag that is Theresa May, but he’s not strong enough to oust one of the most divided governments in history. The vast majority of the PLP don't want him there it's far more than some.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 21, 2019 8:54:34 GMT
History. King David used Jerusalem for his Capital 3000 years ago. About 1500 years before Islam was invented in that cave. Israel's self-determination is only called "controversial" by Jew haters and Guardian journo's. Racist twat. You must have failed GSCE History if that's your answer
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Post by M on Feb 21, 2019 9:04:34 GMT
Basically New Labour tribute act. Just waiting for Blair to turn up next. Can see them all over more illegal bombings, austerity and private involvement in the public sector.
Also. If they really wanted to stand as a party to change politics they should have gone for proportional representation as that really would have turned heads.
I think most reasoned and active followers of politics will give them a wide berth but they know that the vast majority don't know or care enough so they could get some traction. I think it will be a flash in the pan and most of them will be unemployed come the next general election.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 21, 2019 9:15:42 GMT
You must have failed GSCE History if that's your answer Well to follow your point of view Do you reside in England if so tough shit the celts of Ireland wales and Cornwall are about to take your house your land and deny you the vote They were here ruling before you before Christian’s reared there ugly head Or maybe we should just remove the Americans from America and give it back to the indigenous population Israel has no legal basis to exist it was founded by collective guilt at the way a religious group not a ethnic population was wrongly treated And was formed by land theft force and ethnic cleansing And unlike the Serbian actions in Bosnia somehow excepted by the western world I believe we are all created the same it’s a shame the state of Israel doesn’t think likewise
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Feb 21, 2019 9:29:23 GMT
The fact that members of the Independent group are now defending austerity and their part in it has really put a dampener on the whole 'we're a sensible centre-left party' tbh. Labour has issues, but this weird free capitalist 'centre' group is no answer to anything. Every single member of the 'Independent Group' voted Remain. It's got nothing to do with a 'new form of politics'. It's got everything to do with stopping Brexit. Just be honest and call yourselves the 'Remain in the EU Party'
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Post by Northy on Feb 21, 2019 9:34:56 GMT
You must have failed GSCE History if that's your answer Well to follow your point of view Do you reside in England if so tough shit the celts of Ireland wales and Cornwall are about to take your house your land and deny you the vote They were here ruling before you before Christian’s reared there ugly head Or maybe we should just remove the Americans from America and give it back to the indigenous population Israel has no legal basis to exist it was founded by collective guilt at the way a religious group not a ethnic population was wrongly treated And was formed by land theft force and ethnic cleansing And unlike the Serbian actions in Bosnia somehow excepted by the western world I believe we are all created the same it’s a shame the state of Israel doesn’t think likewise and then the neanderthals will come and oust the celts there is a dispute as to whether there were celts here as they were originally in france and may have fled from the Romans in gaul. In this day and age you'd think we could all live peacefully with ou neighbours, stop harping back hunderds and thousands of years for disputes. Israel should stop building in the West bank, then maybe the palestinians would stop firing rockets, and then Israel would stop bombing innocents (as well as targetting the rocket sites) etc. etc. etc.
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Post by starkiller on Feb 21, 2019 9:43:06 GMT
anti-Semitism is the excuse. Anti-democracy and anti-brexit is the truth.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 21, 2019 9:56:22 GMT
These bottom feeders make me sick to the core of my being
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 21, 2019 10:04:02 GMT
They just want to stop Brexit and they'll do and say anything to do that. I heard the phrase 'broad church' 100 times yesterday. These MP's will happily burn the Church down with everyone inside just to keep the UK in the EU. There'll be more that'll join them and they'll all be rabid remainers.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 21, 2019 10:18:43 GMT
You must have failed GSCE History if that's your answer Well to follow your point of view Do you reside in England if so tough shit the celts of Ireland wales and Cornwall are about to take your house your land and deny you the vote They were here ruling before you before Christian’s reared there ugly head Or maybe we should just remove the Americans from America and give it back to the indigenous population Israel has no legal basis to exist it was founded by collective guilt at the way a religious group not a ethnic population was wrongly treated And was formed by land theft force and ethnic cleansing And unlike the Serbian actions in Bosnia somehow excepted by the western world I believe we are all created the same it’s a shame the state of Israel doesn’t think likewise Just think, if the Germans hadn't wanted to dominate Europe back then, we wouldn't need a State of Israel anyway...
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 21, 2019 11:10:10 GMT
These bottom feeders make me sick to the core of my being [twitter url=" "] "We don't believe right now, at this moment of national crisis, a general election would be right for the country." Translated to. We want to earn 70k a year for another couple of years when we'll all be out of a job! Finally on here we have eleven self serving wasters, very unlikeable, we can hate more than our own. Oh and Dominic Grieve show some balls and fuck off too!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 21, 2019 11:12:03 GMT
You must have failed GSCE History if that's your answer Well to follow your point of view Do you reside in England if so tough shit the celts of Ireland wales and Cornwall are about to take your house your land and deny you the vote They were here ruling before you before Christian’s reared there ugly head Or maybe we should just remove the Americans from America and give it back to the indigenous population Israel has no legal basis to exist it was founded by collective guilt at the way a religious group not a ethnic population was wrongly treated And was formed by land theft force and ethnic cleansing And unlike the Serbian actions in Bosnia somehow excepted by the western world I believe we are all created the same it’s a shame the state of Israel doesn’t think likewise I wouldn't entertain his line of argument mate. I think Dodger is on a wind up!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 21, 2019 11:13:13 GMT
The fact that members of the Independent group are now defending austerity and their part in it has really put a dampener on the whole 'we're a sensible centre-left party' tbh. Labour has issues, but this weird free capitalist 'centre' group is no answer to anything. Every single member of the 'Independent Group' voted Remain. It's got nothing to do with a 'new form of politics'. It's got everything to do with stopping Brexit. Just be honest and call yourselves the 'Remain in the EU Party' I think their is something else in it. It has a despicable hint of Blair about it.
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Post by M on Feb 21, 2019 11:21:54 GMT
These bottom feeders make me sick to the core of my being [twitter url=" "] It's not surprising is it though. Fortunately I don't think if another election was to roll around that it would be because of a VONC. Also, if what they stand for is stopping Brexit the only way a VONC was to be successful was if the DUP were on side who would only be onside in the event of May's deal going through. I reckon if faced with that, there position would change...
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Post by mattyd on Feb 21, 2019 11:35:03 GMT
History. King David used Jerusalem for his Capital 3000 years ago. About 1500 years before Islam was invented in that cave. Israel's self-determination is only called "controversial" by Jew haters and Guardian journo's. Racist twat. Are you a moderator, or is this your own site. As you are the only poster that hurls such abuse seemingly unchecked. Every time someone disagrees with you, you always resort to personal insults and foul mouthed abuse. I seem to remember you being called out for this before, but just respond with more abuse.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 21, 2019 11:43:15 GMT
Are you a moderator, or is this your own site. As you are the only poster that hurls such abuse seemingly unchecked. Every time someone disagrees with you, you always resort to personal insults and foul mouthed abuse. I seem to remember you being called out for this before, but just respond with more abuse. Give over you tart.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 21, 2019 11:52:47 GMT
Attachment DeletedHas anybody spotted the balance of power in the HoC shortening for the Government. With the Independent Group now numbering 11 that means the Government/DUP alliance now only has a majority of 1 in the house. Surprised media hasn’t made more of this.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 21, 2019 11:54:48 GMT
View AttachmentHas anybody spotted the balance of power in the HoC shortening for the Government. With the Independent Group now numbering 11 that means the Government/DUP alliance now only has a majority of 1 in the house. Surprised media hasn’t made more of this. The Independent group are essentially all Tories though.
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Post by mattyd on Feb 21, 2019 12:02:14 GMT
Are you a moderator, or is this your own site. As you are the only poster that hurls such abuse seemingly unchecked. Every time someone disagrees with you, you always resort to personal insults and foul mouthed abuse. I seem to remember you being called out for this before, but just respond with more abuse. Give over you tart. Stock Sheikhmomo answer. Just strengthens my point that you are seemingly untouchable.
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Post by cooper67 on Feb 21, 2019 12:09:23 GMT
I'd give that Heidi Allen one.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 21, 2019 12:19:20 GMT
Stock Sheikhmomo answer. Just strengthens my point that you are seemingly untouchable. I've been banned plenty of times. You are allowed to be a little more robust on this board Matthew. You should see some of the things I've been called and some of the personal messages I've received. You'd have a nervous breakdown if 'twat' make your knickers gritty!
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Post by mattyd on Feb 21, 2019 12:23:59 GMT
Stock Sheikhmomo answer. Just strengthens my point that you are seemingly untouchable. I've been banned plenty of times. You are allowed to be a little more robust on this board Matthew. You should see some of the things I've been called and some of the personal messages I've received. You'd have a nervous breakdown if 'twat' make your knickers gritty! Thing is Sheikh, although I disagree with EVERYTHING you say I do admire how you put your message across , however when you resort to hurling abuse at people that disagree with you I find it somewhat difficult to take you seriously.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 21, 2019 12:26:56 GMT
I've been banned plenty of times. You are allowed to be a little more robust on this board Matthew. You should see some of the things I've been called and some of the personal messages I've received. You'd have a nervous breakdown if 'twat' make your knickers gritty! Thing is Sheikh, although I disagree with EVERYTHING you say I do admire how you put your message across , however when you resort to hurling abuse at people that disagree with you I find it somewhat difficult to take you seriously. Mmmmm. I'm more surprised you're not more outraged at what Roger said which was racist and apartheid justification, but each to their own!
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Post by mattyd on Feb 21, 2019 12:31:40 GMT
Thing is Sheikh, although I disagree with EVERYTHING you say I do admire how you put your message across , however when you resort to hurling abuse at people that disagree with you I find it somewhat difficult to take you seriously. Mmmmm. I'm more surprised you're not more outraged at what Roger said which was racist and apartheid justification, but each to their own! Not outraged at all.
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