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Post by partickpotter on Feb 19, 2019 8:33:31 GMT
Comparisons with the SDP are inevitable. And this new mob don't compare favourably with the Class of '81. And that's putting it mildly. Also remember how that ended up. This Magnificent 7 will reset the bar for what constitutes a damp squib. What a state we are in. The Government is an utter shambles. The Opposition is an utter shambles And now... The Rebels are an utter shambles. And don't get me started on our beloved football team or the top order batting in the England test side. You have to laugh! At least the SNP are there as a shining example of how a party should be run
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 19, 2019 8:36:12 GMT
Talk now of some Tory MP's quitting their party and joining The Independent Group. Guessing that they are Remainers? I could Google it, but that would be no fun!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 19, 2019 8:38:09 GMT
Talk now of some Tory MP's quitting their party and joining The Independent Group. Soubryin particular has removed any mention of 'Conservative', from her social media. Certainly wouldn't be surprised to see her join the traitors.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 8:41:52 GMT
Soubry, Heidi Allen, and Justine Greening were supposedly the favourites to leave yesterday. Possibly another 3 to go as well. More Labour MP's expected to follow tomorrow.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 19, 2019 8:43:57 GMT
Soubry, Heidi Allen, and Justine Greening were supposedly the favourites to leave yesterday. Possibly another 3 to go as well. More Labour MP's expected to follow tomorrow. I think I was right about the motivation behind this...
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 19, 2019 8:45:42 GMT
Where's Huddy ?, I thought he would be all over this now that his age old prediction of change has finally materialised , why have these MP's left the Labour party is t anything to do with it being a racist party by chance ? Oh Huddy hasn’t been seen for months. Not sure where he went, but he hasn’t been posting on these parts for ages. Some people ‘ey, just bobbing in & out with their marginal views whenever they feel like it...
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Post by lordb on Feb 19, 2019 9:01:52 GMT
Talk now of some Tory MP's quitting their party and joining The Independent Group. Guessing that they are Remainers? I could Google it, but that would be no fun! The report didn't say but that has to be a fair assumption.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 19, 2019 9:02:43 GMT
Soubry, Heidi Allen, and Justine Greening were supposedly the favourites to leave yesterday. Possibly another 3 to go as well. More Labour MP's expected to follow tomorrow. Sandbach, Philip Lee and Boles must be close. Boles is facing deselection. Point blank refused to meet his local association to explain to them about his intention to stand in the future. Opted to attend a Stop Brexit meeting instead. His constituency voted 61% to Leave.
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Post by lordb on Feb 19, 2019 9:03:39 GMT
Soubry, Heidi Allen, and Justine Greening were supposedly the favourites to leave yesterday. Possibly another 3 to go as well. More Labour MP's expected to follow tomorrow. So if Tory remainers join TIG the group will call for a second referendum ASAP?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 10:17:29 GMT
Soubry, Heidi Allen, and Justine Greening were supposedly the favourites to leave yesterday. Possibly another 3 to go as well. More Labour MP's expected to follow tomorrow. So if Tory remainers join TIG the group will call for a second referendum ASAP? Most probably you'd think so wouldn't you, certainly Umunna and Soubry were very vocal in calling for one so I reckon the second referendum is high on their list of priorities - but who knows what any of them will do any longer ?
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Post by auntiegeorge on Feb 19, 2019 10:41:37 GMT
Why on Earth do we need a second referendum? These defectors are onto a lost cause before they've started. The people spoke in 2016 and there is no appetite for another vote. The government must deliver Brexit according to the people's wishes.
Let's say a second referendum delivered 50% leave and 50% remain. Or 50% May's deal and 50% leave with no deal. Then what? A second referendum has the potential to hugely backfire.
Besides, another referendum would take months to organise. We're leaving the EU in 5 weeks.
These jokers are living in cloud cuckoo land and blaming supposed anti-semitism in Labour as a cover for what they really want.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 10:44:22 GMT
In fairness didn't he say he didn't like the EU but thought the current situation should involve saying in the single market and reforming from within? That's why he wasn't very active in campaigning during the referendum. I thought he was actually fairly decent during it, in terms of keeping to his belief. do a lill bit of research on his political past regarding the EU, I will leave it at that. Oh I'm well aware he despises them, but I think considering the prevailing view of his party's members, him adopting the position of euroscepticism rather than euro hatred is probably fair. This isn't a discrete thing of one side hating everything the EU does and another loving their every move. I am aware of a large portion of people on the left for example that despise how the EU works with big business, yet think its benefits very slightly outweigh the problems, and there will be people who are the opposite. This tribal shite where you have to 'pick a side' is exactly what's wrong with the debate. Plenty of things to have a go at him for, that's not one of them for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 10:49:43 GMT
Why on Earth do we need a second referendum? These defectors are onto a lost cause before they've started. The people spoke in 2016 and there is no appetite for another vote. The government must deliver Brexit according to the people's wishes. Let's say a second referendum delivered 50% leave and 50% remain. Or 50% May's deal and 50% leave with no deal. Then what? A second referendum has the potential to hugely backfire. Besides, another referendum would take months to organise. We're leaving the EU in 5 weeks. These jokers are living in cloud cuckoo land and blaming supposed anti-semitism in Labour as a cover for what they really want. Totally agree - Umunna and Soubry just won't accept the first referendum result and have bleated and whined non-stop ever since.
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Post by lordb on Feb 19, 2019 10:55:06 GMT
Why on Earth do we need a second referendum? These defectors are onto a lost cause before they've started. The people spoke in 2016 and there is no appetite for another vote. The government must deliver Brexit according to the people's wishes. Let's say a second referendum delivered 50% leave and 50% remain. Or 50% May's deal and 50% leave with no deal. Then what? A second referendum has the potential to hugely backfire. Besides, another referendum would take months to organise. We're leaving the EU in 5 weeks. These jokers are living in cloud cuckoo land and blaming supposed anti-semitism in Labour as a cover for what they really want. If there was a second referendum,or a general election called then (& only then) the EU would agree a delay. Referendum could be organised within a few weeks. As someone who perceives Brexit to be bad for Britain still have to say that a second referendum would be negative too. If we voted to remain then millions of leavers would feel robbed,this would be bad for democracy and entrench the divisions even further and for longer. Plus Britain's credibility within the EU would be incredibly low. If we go for no deal Brexit then that's appalling. If we go for May's shit deal then that's appalling. Can't see any positive outcome. If a second referendum saw a more decisive result (65% is so in favour of remain or leave) then maybe it could be argued it could put things to bed however suspect it wouldn't be decisive and turnout (partly because it would have to be rushed) would be much lower which would be used to denigrate the result. May isn't going to get any genuine diffences to her deal from the EU so I think it will come to Parliament either biting the bullet and voting for her deal after all or a no deal Brexit.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 19, 2019 11:27:09 GMT
Where's Huddy ?, I thought he would be all over this now that his age old prediction of change has finally materialised , why have these MP's left the Labour party is t anything to do with it being a racist party by chance ? Oh Huddy hasn’t been seen for months. Not sure where he went, but he hasn’t been posting on these parts for ages. Some people ‘ey, just bobbing in & out with their marginal views whenever they feel like it... He posted 16 hours ago on this thread, didn't respond to my question though I wonder why ?, for the many but not the Jew
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 19, 2019 11:32:25 GMT
do a lill bit of research on his political past regarding the EU, I will leave it at that. Oh I'm well aware he despises them, but I think considering the prevailing view of his party's members, him adopting the position of euroscepticism rather than euro hatred is probably fair. This isn't a discrete thing of one side hating everything the EU does and another loving their every move. I am aware of a large portion of people on the left for example that despise how the EU works with big business, yet think its benefits very slightly outweigh the problems, and there will be people who are the opposite. This tribal shite where you have to 'pick a side' is exactly what's wrong with the debate. Plenty of things to have a go at him for, that's not one of them for me. That's what the referendum did ! stay or leave simple, for a man of principal who has campaigned his whole political career to leave the EU you would have thought he would have stuck with those principals, the fact he did not he has pretty much bared his arse to all he's a charlatan and a fraud.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 19, 2019 11:59:28 GMT
do a lill bit of research on his political past regarding the EU, I will leave it at that. Oh I'm well aware he despises them, but I think considering the prevailing view of his party's members, him adopting the position of euroscepticism rather than euro hatred is probably fair. This isn't a discrete thing of one side hating everything the EU does and another loving their every move. I am aware of a large portion of people on the left for example that despise how the EU works with big business, yet think its benefits very slightly outweigh the problems, and there will be people who are the opposite. This tribal shite where you have to 'pick a side' is exactly what's wrong with the debate. Plenty of things to have a go at him for, that's not one of them for me. Fraise. Have a word FFS
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 19, 2019 12:01:32 GMT
Why on Earth do we need a second referendum? These defectors are onto a lost cause before they've started. The people spoke in 2016 and there is no appetite for another vote. The government must deliver Brexit according to the people's wishes. Let's say a second referendum delivered 50% leave and 50% remain. Or 50% May's deal and 50% leave with no deal. Then what? A second referendum has the potential to hugely backfire. Besides, another referendum would take months to organise. We're leaving the EU in 5 weeks. These jokers are living in cloud cuckoo land and blaming supposed anti-semitism in Labour as a cover for what they really want. If there was a second referendum,or a general election called then (& only then) the EU would agree a delay. Referendum could be organised within a few weeks. As someone who perceives Brexit to be bad for Britain still have to say that a second referendum would be negative too. If we voted to remain then millions of leavers would feel robbed,this would be bad for democracy and entrench the divisions even further and for longer. Plus Britain's credibility within the EU would be incredibly low. If we go for no deal Brexit then that's appalling. If we go for May's shit deal then that's appalling. Can't see any positive outcome. If a second referendum saw a more decisive result (65% is so in favour of remain or leave) then maybe it could be argued it could put things to bed however suspect it wouldn't be decisive and turnout (partly because it would have to be rushed) would be much lower which would be used to denigrate the result. May isn't going to get any genuine diffences to her deal from the EU so I think it will come to Parliament either biting the bullet and voting for her deal after all or a no deal Brexit. Spot on, for me. Is it all part of some elaborate charade, though? Let's see how many of these MPs actually lose their jobs. Funny thing about the second referendum is that I noticed there has been a lot less call for it in the last few weeks. Could it be that Remain MPs got an inkling that Leave would win by a bigger margin this time?
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Post by felonious on Feb 19, 2019 12:09:14 GMT
Oh I'm well aware he despises them, but I think considering the prevailing view of his party's members, him adopting the position of euroscepticism rather than euro hatred is probably fair. This isn't a discrete thing of one side hating everything the EU does and another loving their every move. I am aware of a large portion of people on the left for example that despise how the EU works with big business, yet think its benefits very slightly outweigh the problems, and there will be people who are the opposite. This tribal shite where you have to 'pick a side' is exactly what's wrong with the debate. Plenty of things to have a go at him for, that's not one of them for me. Fraise. Have a word FFS Fraise cancel his Grauniad subscription
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Post by salopstick on Feb 19, 2019 12:20:56 GMT
If there was a second referendum,or a general election called then (& only then) the EU would agree a delay. Referendum could be organised within a few weeks. As someone who perceives Brexit to be bad for Britain still have to say that a second referendum would be negative too. If we voted to remain then millions of leavers would feel robbed,this would be bad for democracy and entrench the divisions even further and for longer. Plus Britain's credibility within the EU would be incredibly low. If we go for no deal Brexit then that's appalling. If we go for May's shit deal then that's appalling. Can't see any positive outcome. If a second referendum saw a more decisive result (65% is so in favour of remain or leave) then maybe it could be argued it could put things to bed however suspect it wouldn't be decisive and turnout (partly because it would have to be rushed) would be much lower which would be used to denigrate the result. May isn't going to get any genuine diffences to her deal from the EU so I think it will come to Parliament either biting the bullet and voting for her deal after all or a no deal Brexit. Spot on, for me. Is it all part of some elaborate charade, though? Let's see how many of these MPs actually lose their jobs. Funny thing about the second referendum is that I noticed there has been a lot less call for it in the last few weeks. Could it be that Remain MPs got an inkling that Leave would win by a bigger margin this time? and there will be GE Backlash from their constituents
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 19, 2019 13:46:20 GMT
The Conservative Party are now guaranteed to win the next 3 general elections. Well done Chuka. If you really believe that, and you may be right, you are at least tacitly accepting they are the remaining sane voice of Labour, or at least they were. Hopefully the net effect will be to pull Labour to the centre and the Tories away from the hard right as they both haemorrhage votes to the new party in the centre ground. Whether the new party succeeds in its own right or not hardly matters. I don't suppose it will. Elections are generally won on the centre ground and at the moment centrists are having to lurch to left or right in a way that is not pleasant at all. They'll lose votes to UKIP like they did last time. You really are an absolute clueless prick.
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Post by lordb on Feb 19, 2019 16:17:53 GMT
If there was a second referendum,or a general election called then (& only then) the EU would agree a delay. Referendum could be organised within a few weeks. As someone who perceives Brexit to be bad for Britain still have to say that a second referendum would be negative too. If we voted to remain then millions of leavers would feel robbed,this would be bad for democracy and entrench the divisions even further and for longer. Plus Britain's credibility within the EU would be incredibly low. If we go for no deal Brexit then that's appalling. If we go for May's shit deal then that's appalling. Can't see any positive outcome. If a second referendum saw a more decisive result (65% is so in favour of remain or leave) then maybe it could be argued it could put things to bed however suspect it wouldn't be decisive and turnout (partly because it would have to be rushed) would be much lower which would be used to denigrate the result. May isn't going to get any genuine diffences to her deal from the EU so I think it will come to Parliament either biting the bullet and voting for her deal after all or a no deal Brexit. Spot on, for me. Is it all part of some elaborate charade, though? Let's see how many of these MPs actually lose their jobs. Funny thing about the second referendum is that I noticed there has been a lot less call for it in the last few weeks. Could it be that Remain MPs got an inkling that Leave would win by a bigger margin this time? ? Do you reckon? Personally I doubt it would be much different other than a much lower turnout. Possibly leave voters would be more disillusioned than remain voters?
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Post by lordb on Feb 19, 2019 16:18:50 GMT
If you really believe that, and you may be right, you are at least tacitly accepting they are the remaining sane voice of Labour, or at least they were. Hopefully the net effect will be to pull Labour to the centre and the Tories away from the hard right as they both haemorrhage votes to the new party in the centre ground. Whether the new party succeeds in its own right or not hardly matters. I don't suppose it will. Elections are generally won on the centre ground and at the moment centrists are having to lurch to left or right in a way that is not pleasant at all. They'll lose votes to UKIP like they did last time. You really are an absolute clueless prick. UKIP are finished
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 19, 2019 16:43:08 GMT
Spot on, for me. Is it all part of some elaborate charade, though? Let's see how many of these MPs actually lose their jobs. Funny thing about the second referendum is that I noticed there has been a lot less call for it in the last few weeks. Could it be that Remain MPs got an inkling that Leave would win by a bigger margin this time? ? Do you reckon? Personally I doubt it would be much different other than a much lower turnout. Possibly leave voters would be more disillusioned than remain voters? I just wondered why the calls for the People's Vote suddenly lessened, that's all. Who knows what the result would be, but I bet if there was any doubt about Remain winning it would be shelved instantly.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 19, 2019 16:44:37 GMT
They'll lose votes to UKIP like they did last time. You really are an absolute clueless prick. UKIP are finished And seemingly any serious discussion on levels of immigration. Funny, that.
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Post by Gods on Feb 19, 2019 17:14:58 GMT
If you really believe that, and you may be right, you are at least tacitly accepting they are the remaining sane voice of Labour, or at least they were. Hopefully the net effect will be to pull Labour to the centre and the Tories away from the hard right as they both haemorrhage votes to the new party in the centre ground. Whether the new party succeeds in its own right or not hardly matters. I don't suppose it will. Elections are generally won on the centre ground and at the moment centrists are having to lurch to left or right in a way that is not pleasant at all. They'll lose votes to UKIP like they did last time. You really are an absolute clueless prick. You seem to be losing it, I suggest you take a double dose of your medication.
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Post by felonious on Feb 19, 2019 19:12:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 20:14:48 GMT
Oh I'm well aware he despises them, but I think considering the prevailing view of his party's members, him adopting the position of euroscepticism rather than euro hatred is probably fair. This isn't a discrete thing of one side hating everything the EU does and another loving their every move. I am aware of a large portion of people on the left for example that despise how the EU works with big business, yet think its benefits very slightly outweigh the problems, and there will be people who are the opposite. This tribal shite where you have to 'pick a side' is exactly what's wrong with the debate. Plenty of things to have a go at him for, that's not one of them for me. Fraise. Have a word FFS 😁I'm staying out of it
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Post by mattyd on Feb 19, 2019 20:22:02 GMT
Our usual loony lefties are awfully quiet on this thread. Maybe Essex Joey cant find a Tory bashing front page to copy and paste.
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Post by desman2 on Feb 19, 2019 20:39:27 GMT
Fraise cancel his Grauniad subscription I think it would be a bigger margin, now people have seen how this overpaid boys club behaves. They have no diplomacy skills at all.
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