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Post by metalhead on Feb 18, 2019 11:48:46 GMT
The child should really be taken away from the family, if she returns to the UK. The father has already been photographed at an Anjem Choudary rally. He claims he "didn't know who Choudary was"..... despite Choudary being one of the most high-profile Muslims in Britain at the time. This is all getting very concerning.... the gov't need to take control now.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 18, 2019 11:51:09 GMT
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Post by Stoke711 on Feb 18, 2019 12:10:05 GMT
Refuse her entry and show anyone else thinking about doing this in the future, it is a one-way trip!!
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 18, 2019 12:17:57 GMT
Refuse her entry and show anyone else thinking about doing this in the future, it is a one-way trip!! We haven't got the town halls to stop her returning, we will cave in to pressure from the yogurt knitters and civil rights brigade, she will most likely end up with a roof over her head (hopefully prison) or a nice council flat living off state hand outs.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 18, 2019 13:32:34 GMT
Refuse her entry and show anyone else thinking about doing this in the future, it is a one-way trip!! We haven't got the town halls to stop her returning, we will cave in to pressure from the yogurt knitters and civil rights brigade, she will most likely end up with a roof over her head (hopefully prison) or a nice council flat living off state hand outs. If she gets to an embassy (of which there is none in Syria) and is able to fly, we HAVE to facilitate her return. We would do that for any British citizen and especially for a potential international criminal. That's just due process mate. People are conflating two things here. She has no real chance of making it to an embassy, like I said. Her first problem is that there's none in Syria, so she would need to cross the border...... again. Crossing the border is not as easy as it was when she first made the trip. I believe she's also about 8 hours away from the only functional airport..... which I doubt would let her through without any paperwork. She is begging for the UK to help her... There is only one other to consider here..... technically, despite her allegiance to ISIS, she remains British citizen. This fact alone, makes her an export of Britain. If, by a minor miracle, she survived the ongoing Syrian war and made her way to somewhere like Turkey, this could pose serious diplomatic issues. For one, Turkey aren't going to want her whatsoever and there's no guarantee that she wouldn't be involved in pro-radicalisation. If such a thing happened, serious questions would be asked of Britain. "Why was she allowed to do this, when you could have facilitated her return to Britain and tried her under the terrorism act?", being the first one. She's our shit, should we clean it up? I honestly don't know. If people think she is returning to a normal life, council house, chippy Tuesday, kid in the local comprehensive, I believe they are wrong. I certainly hope so, although I don't fully know myself, but I don't believe that would be the case. If it was true? I would probably look to expatriate.... and I'm not joking.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 18, 2019 13:40:02 GMT
What I don’t understand is the calls for her parents to bring the baby up
Why would you allow people who obviously made such a fuck up of raising there daughter custody of another child
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Post by metalhead on Feb 18, 2019 13:42:26 GMT
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Post by flea79 on Feb 18, 2019 15:02:07 GMT
We haven't got the town halls to stop her returning, we will cave in to pressure from the yogurt knitters and civil rights brigade, she will most likely end up with a roof over her head (hopefully prison) or a nice council flat living off state hand outs. If she gets to an embassy (of which there is none in Syria) and is able to fly, we HAVE to facilitate her return. We would do that for any British citizen and especially for a potential international criminal. That's just due process mate. People are conflating two things here. She has no real chance of making it to an embassy, like I said. Her first problem is that there's none in Syria, so she would need to cross the border...... again. Crossing the border is not as easy as it was when she first made the trip. I believe she's also about 8 hours away from the only functional airport..... which I doubt would let her through without any paperwork. She is begging for the UK to help her... There is only one other to consider here..... technically, despite her allegiance to ISIS, she remains British citizen. This fact alone, makes her an export of Britain. If, by a minor miracle, she survived the ongoing Syrian war and made her way to somewhere like Turkey, this could pose serious diplomatic issues. For one, Turkey aren't going to want her whatsoever and there's no guarantee that she wouldn't be involved in pro-radicalisation. If such a thing happened, serious questions would be asked of Britain. "Why was she allowed to do this, when you could have facilitated her return to Britain and tried her under the terrorism act?", being the first one. She's our shit, should we clean it up? I honestly don't know. If people think she is returning to a normal life, council house, chippy Tuesday, kid in the local comprehensive, I believe they are wrong. I certainly hope so, although I don't fully know myself, but I don't believe that would be the case. If it was true? I would probably look to expatriate.... and I'm not joking. this was my first thought, early on in all this the govt/mi6 people said lives will not be risked to rescue her, i doubt she has any major intel that would be of any use to us how long before a justgiving is opened to provide a private rescue and get her to the nearest embassy i wonder.....
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 18, 2019 16:33:39 GMT
If she gets to an embassy (of which there is none in Syria) and is able to fly, we HAVE to facilitate her return. We would do that for any British citizen and especially for a potential international criminal. That's just due process mate. People are conflating two things here. She has no real chance of making it to an embassy, like I said. Her first problem is that there's none in Syria, so she would need to cross the border...... again. Crossing the border is not as easy as it was when she first made the trip. I believe she's also about 8 hours away from the only functional airport..... which I doubt would let her through without any paperwork. She is begging for the UK to help her... There is only one other to consider here..... technically, despite her allegiance to ISIS, she remains British citizen. This fact alone, makes her an export of Britain. If, by a minor miracle, she survived the ongoing Syrian war and made her way to somewhere like Turkey, this could pose serious diplomatic issues. For one, Turkey aren't going to want her whatsoever and there's no guarantee that she wouldn't be involved in pro-radicalisation. If such a thing happened, serious questions would be asked of Britain. "Why was she allowed to do this, when you could have facilitated her return to Britain and tried her under the terrorism act?", being the first one. She's our shit, should we clean it up? I honestly don't know. If people think she is returning to a normal life, council house, chippy Tuesday, kid in the local comprehensive, I believe they are wrong. I certainly hope so, although I don't fully know myself, but I don't believe that would be the case. If it was true? I would probably look to expatriate.... and I'm not joking. this was my first thought, early on in all this the govt/mi6 people said lives will not be risked to rescue her, i doubt she has any major intel that would be of any use to us how long before a justgiving is opened to provide a private rescue and get her to the nearest embassy i wonder..... She has stated that she has done nothing wrong, knew nothing about what was going on nothing out of the ordinary apart from the odd severed head in a bin of course , she will have no intel. at all if she is telling the truth of course, she was obviously just an ISIS whore used for breeding purposes only if she is telling the truth of course, any one else think she might be lying to save her own stinking life ?
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 18, 2019 16:35:30 GMT
We haven't got the town halls to stop her returning, we will cave in to pressure from the yogurt knitters and civil rights brigade, she will most likely end up with a roof over her head (hopefully prison) or a nice council flat living off state hand outs. If she gets to an embassy (of which there is none in Syria) and is able to fly, we HAVE to facilitate her return. We would do that for any British citizen and especially for a potential international criminal. That's just due process mate. People are conflating two things here. She has no real chance of making it to an embassy, like I said. Her first problem is that there's none in Syria, so she would need to cross the border...... again. Crossing the border is not as easy as it was when she first made the trip. I believe she's also about 8 hours away from the only functional airport..... which I doubt would let her through without any paperwork. She is begging for the UK to help her... There is only one other to consider here..... technically, despite her allegiance to ISIS, she remains British citizen. This fact alone, makes her an export of Britain. If, by a minor miracle, she survived the ongoing Syrian war and made her way to somewhere like Turkey, this could pose serious diplomatic issues. For one, Turkey aren't going to want her whatsoever and there's no guarantee that she wouldn't be involved in pro-radicalisation. If such a thing happened, serious questions would be asked of Britain. "Why was she allowed to do this, when you could have facilitated her return to Britain and tried her under the terrorism act?", being the first one. She's our shit, should we clean it up? I honestly don't know. If people think she is returning to a normal life, council house, chippy Tuesday, kid in the local comprehensive, I believe they are wrong. I certainly hope so, although I don't fully know myself, but I don't believe that would be the case. If it was true? I would probably look to expatriate.... and I'm not joking. Are there any chippy's in Bethnall Green ?
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Post by Northy on Feb 18, 2019 17:17:04 GMT
If she gets to an embassy (of which there is none in Syria) and is able to fly, we HAVE to facilitate her return. We would do that for any British citizen and especially for a potential international criminal. That's just due process mate. People are conflating two things here. She has no real chance of making it to an embassy, like I said. Her first problem is that there's none in Syria, so she would need to cross the border...... again. Crossing the border is not as easy as it was when she first made the trip. I believe she's also about 8 hours away from the only functional airport..... which I doubt would let her through without any paperwork. She is begging for the UK to help her... There is only one other to consider here..... technically, despite her allegiance to ISIS, she remains British citizen. This fact alone, makes her an export of Britain. If, by a minor miracle, she survived the ongoing Syrian war and made her way to somewhere like Turkey, this could pose serious diplomatic issues. For one, Turkey aren't going to want her whatsoever and there's no guarantee that she wouldn't be involved in pro-radicalisation. If such a thing happened, serious questions would be asked of Britain. "Why was she allowed to do this, when you could have facilitated her return to Britain and tried her under the terrorism act?", being the first one. She's our shit, should we clean it up? I honestly don't know. If people think she is returning to a normal life, council house, chippy Tuesday, kid in the local comprehensive, I believe they are wrong. I certainly hope so, although I don't fully know myself, but I don't believe that would be the case. If it was true? I would probably look to expatriate.... and I'm not joking. Are there any chippy's in Bethnall Green ? I don't think so, but they do a good line in vests in that area
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 18, 2019 17:18:26 GMT
Are there any chippy's in Bethnall Green ? I don't think so, but they do a good line in vests in that area What sort of vests are we talking here, them yellow one's like in France ?
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Post by woodstein on Feb 19, 2019 4:21:14 GMT
The dickhead that is Danny Dyer is now chirping up to be sympathetic to her. He needs doing over by Stokies again! Lineker will be next.
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Post by Northy on Feb 19, 2019 6:04:18 GMT
Anna Soubrey is being sympathetic, who would have expected her to be out of touch with the majority of the public. What about the safely of the British Public? Let her stand trial in Syria to answer crimes against the yazidis, that they raped, burnt alive, butchered, widowed etc.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 19, 2019 7:44:08 GMT
Anna Soubrey is being sympathetic, who would have expected her to be out of touch with the majority of the public. What about the safely of the British Public? Let her stand trial in Syria to answer crimes against the yazidis, that they raped, burnt alive, butchered, widowed etc. Traitors sticking together
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 19, 2019 7:46:43 GMT
The dickhead that is Danny Dyer is now chirping up to be sympathetic to her. He needs doing over by Stokies again! Lineker will be next. Lily Allen has been quiet on this so far could she be on a clandestine mission to rescue this poor schoolgirl and her sprog from Syria.
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 19, 2019 7:57:36 GMT
As ever - there is a bigger issue at stake here.
One that Donald Trump raised this week - what to do with the 800 EU ISIS nationals who have been captured.
Trump doesn't see it as the responsibility of the US, it's highly unlikely Syria want them. If we don't where do they go? The risk is, of course, they return in an uncontrolled way to Europe and carry on their jihad here.
It may be the pragmatic approach is to bring them back and let due process take care of them. Which would include this girl.
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Post by lordb on Feb 19, 2019 9:21:07 GMT
As ever - there is a bigger issue at stake here. One that Donald Trump raised this week - what to do with the 800 EU ISIS nationals who have been captured. Trump doesn't see it as the responsibility of the US, it's highly unlikely Syria want them. If we don't where do they go? The risk is, of course, they return in an uncontrolled way to Europe and carry on their jihad here. It may be the pragmatic approach is to bring them back and let due process take care of them. Which would include this girl. Agreed Bring her back,stick her in prison. Alternatively let her son grow up with ISIS. Best protection for us is to bring her back.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 19, 2019 9:29:03 GMT
Big Dawn Foster has weighed in (no pun intended). Dawn is most well known for being embarrassed on TV while talking total bollocks about women in work. She's certainly a pie or two short of a full dinner, I suspect she's already eaten them. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/18/britain-deradicalise-shemima-begum-isisOf course, the Guardian have picked one of the very few shots of her looking a bit glum. She is giggling and smirking during the interview and even the left wing Mirror said that. At this point, I see no point in wasting resources on bringing this lass home. Syria is a great place, as I'm sure she is aware. There is little of benefit to offer her in the UK.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 19, 2019 9:29:23 GMT
As ever - there is a bigger issue at stake here. One that Donald Trump raised this week - what to do with the 800 EU ISIS nationals who have been captured. Trump doesn't see it as the responsibility of the US, it's highly unlikely Syria want them. If we don't where do they go? The risk is, of course, they return in an uncontrolled way to Europe and carry on their jihad here. It may be the pragmatic approach is to bring them back and let due process take care of them. Which would include this girl. Agreed Bring her back,stick her in prison. Alternatively let her son grow up with ISIS. Best protection for us is to bring her back. Bring her son back, put into care, away from the ISIS supporting daddy.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 19, 2019 9:30:04 GMT
She’s just a silly teenager. The world is full of them. No surprise she’s spouting $#!t, she’s an ego on legs. Silly, Silly Girl
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Post by flea79 on Feb 19, 2019 9:37:16 GMT
just out of interest as she married a dutch chap then can she not claim dutch nationality? we can then revoke her british passport, we leave the EU with no deal and end free movement across Europe, problem solved we dont have to let her back, yay finally a brexit positive or something that works!
of course this is tongue in cheek but does somebody more learned than me know about citizenship rights for married folks?
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Post by Northy on Feb 19, 2019 10:29:37 GMT
As ever - there is a bigger issue at stake here. One that Donald Trump raised this week - what to do with the 800 EU ISIS nationals who have been captured. Trump doesn't see it as the responsibility of the US, it's highly unlikely Syria want them. If we don't where do they go? The risk is, of course, they return in an uncontrolled way to Europe and carry on their jihad here. It may be the pragmatic approach is to bring them back and let due process take care of them. Which would include this girl. You'd have thought Syria might want them to be executed stand trial
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 19, 2019 11:47:16 GMT
She’s just a silly teenager. The world is full of them. No surprise she’s spouting $#!t, she’s an ego on legs. Silly, Silly Girl She's just a silly girl
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 19, 2019 14:58:15 GMT
She could be useful if we bring her back.
Put her on a firing range and let our troops use her for firing practice.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 19, 2019 19:00:49 GMT
Government have revoked her British citizenship. At last some fucking backbone shown by the government.
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Post by StokieNath on Feb 19, 2019 19:31:47 GMT
Well played Mr Javid. God I love being a Tory! She can now enjoy the full fruits of the Middle East
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 19, 2019 19:52:33 GMT
Well played Mr Javid. God I love being a Tory! She can now enjoy the full fruits of the Middle East Hope one of those fruits is disguised as a hand grenade.
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Post by telfordstoke on Feb 19, 2019 20:26:54 GMT
Correct decision and sends a valuable message
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 20:31:22 GMT
Great decision. She doesn't deserve to be allowed back in the U.K.
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