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Post by kelw on Mar 22, 2019 10:16:17 GMT
So, you never said anything publicly at 15/16 you later regretted? I have that's for sure. Get off his English back. Not that I can remember And if I did it certainly doesn’t rank with supporting the murder of innocent men women and children The British never did that of course. I take it you don't support British soldiers fighting then?
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Post by thevoid on Mar 22, 2019 10:28:57 GMT
Not that I can remember And if I did it certainly doesn’t rank with supporting the murder of innocent men women and children The British never did that of course. I take it you don't support British soldiers fighting then? I think you need the Celtic board, sugar tits.
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Post by lordb on Mar 22, 2019 10:36:47 GMT
Not that I can remember And if I did it certainly doesn’t rank with supporting the murder of innocent men women and children The British never did that of course. I take it you don't support British soldiers fighting then? It's not that simple and it's not a good comparison. Soldiers fighting other soldiers in a war is one thing. Committing atrocities is another. British Army has a litany of shame in Ireland absolutely but we (& by we for a long time we can include the Irish in this) can be proud of the Army in war equally absolutely. Can see why Irish people are proud of what used to be the IRA re 1916 however can't see anything - anything - for Irish people to be proud of the IRA since then. Overtly supporting the Nazis. Indiscriminate bombings. Cowardly murders. Nothing to be proud of there. Unionist terrorism is just as abhorrent. Should Ireland be united? Personally I believe so but let's not pretend the IRA is anything other than beyond the pale.
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Post by kelw on Mar 22, 2019 10:48:10 GMT
The British never did that of course. I take it you don't support British soldiers fighting then? It's not that simple and it's not a good comparison. Soldiers fighting other soldiers in a war is one thing. Committing atrocities is another. British Army has a litany of shame in Ireland absolutely but we (& by we for a long time we can include the Irish in this) can be proud of the Army in war equally absolutely. Can see why Irish people are proud of what used to be the IRA re 1916 however can't see anything - anything - for Irish people to be proud of the IRA since then. Overtly supporting the Nazis. Indiscriminate bombings. Cowardly murders. Nothing to be proud of there. Unionist terrorism is just as abhorrent. Should Ireland be united? Personally I believe so but let's not pretend the IRA is anything other than beyond the pale. Here's a comparison. The British go into Ireland, kill and torture thousands of people, burn their houses and drive them off their land ....you talk of cowardly murders but this is fine? The Irish have the audacity to fight back to reclaim what is rightly theirs and it's terrorism and nothing to be proud of etc. Make your mind up. The Nazi comparison is pathetic
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 22, 2019 10:54:49 GMT
It's not that simple and it's not a good comparison. Soldiers fighting other soldiers in a war is one thing. Committing atrocities is another. British Army has a litany of shame in Ireland absolutely but we (& by we for a long time we can include the Irish in this) can be proud of the Army in war equally absolutely. Can see why Irish people are proud of what used to be the IRA re 1916 however can't see anything - anything - for Irish people to be proud of the IRA since then. Overtly supporting the Nazis. Indiscriminate bombings. Cowardly murders. Nothing to be proud of there. Unionist terrorism is just as abhorrent. Should Ireland be united? Personally I believe so but let's not pretend the IRA is anything other than beyond the pale. Here's a comparison. The British go into Ireland, kill and torture thousands of people, burn their houses and drive them off their land ....you talk of cowardly murders but this is fine? The Irish have the audacity to fight back to reclaim what is rightly theirs and it's terrorism and nothing to be proud of etc. Make your mind up. The Nazi comparison is pathetic To be fair, he said pretty much none of that did he?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 22, 2019 10:58:53 GMT
I'm sure 15/16 year old Declan Rice fully understood all the relative issues surrounding the British in Ireland and the Troubles when he made this statement and it wasn't just because some of his mates in the team were coming out with similar shit because they thought it was funny.
Storm in a teacup.
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Post by lordb on Mar 22, 2019 10:59:44 GMT
It's not that simple and it's not a good comparison. Soldiers fighting other soldiers in a war is one thing. Committing atrocities is another. British Army has a litany of shame in Ireland absolutely but we (& by we for a long time we can include the Irish in this) can be proud of the Army in war equally absolutely. Can see why Irish people are proud of what used to be the IRA re 1916 however can't see anything - anything - for Irish people to be proud of the IRA since then. Overtly supporting the Nazis. Indiscriminate bombings. Cowardly murders. Nothing to be proud of there. Unionist terrorism is just as abhorrent. Should Ireland be united? Personally I believe so but let's not pretend the IRA is anything other than beyond the pale. Here's a comparison. The British go into Ireland, kill and torture thousands of people, burn their houses and drive them off their land ....you talk of cowardly murders but this is fine? The Irish have the audacity to fight back to reclaim what is rightly theirs and it's terrorism and nothing to be proud of etc. Make your mind up. The Nazi comparison is pathetic Of course it's not fine, don't be stupid. As I said history of shame in Ireland for us. However blowing up pubs and kids in Warrington is not 'reclaiming' anything. It's not fighting back it's senseless killing which acheived nothing. I wasn't comparing IRA to the Nazis merely staring the fact that the IRA overtly supported the Nazis.Thats a fact that even the most rabid Anglophobia Irishman should be ashamed of.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 22, 2019 11:06:22 GMT
It's not that simple and it's not a good comparison. Soldiers fighting other soldiers in a war is one thing. Committing atrocities is another. British Army has a litany of shame in Ireland absolutely but we (& by we for a long time we can include the Irish in this) can be proud of the Army in war equally absolutely. Can see why Irish people are proud of what used to be the IRA re 1916 however can't see anything - anything - for Irish people to be proud of the IRA since then. Overtly supporting the Nazis. Indiscriminate bombings. Cowardly murders. Nothing to be proud of there. Unionist terrorism is just as abhorrent. Should Ireland be united? Personally I believe so but let's not pretend the IRA is anything other than beyond the pale. Here's a comparison. The British go into Ireland, kill and torture thousands of people, burn their houses and drive them off their land ....you talk of cowardly murders but this is fine? The Irish have the audacity to fight back to reclaim what is rightly theirs and it's terrorism and nothing to be proud of etc. Make your mind up. The Nazi comparison is pathetic I am a catholic of Irish decent and how you can defend the Ira is beyond the pale They are nothing short of murdering scum And anyone who supports them is just scum
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Post by fca47 on Mar 22, 2019 11:07:01 GMT
The Irish are always playing the victim. It's not like they weren't notorious pirates who enslaved the man who became their patron saint, who invaded Scotland, the Gaels,but I suppose that was done bloodlessly. They very conveniently draw a line in history to victimise themselves. The irish made up large parts of continental armies massacreing protestants in the religious wars.
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Post by adi on Mar 22, 2019 11:54:49 GMT
I can understand a British person defending our own but who is Kelw ? And why is he/she defending the Irish? Why is he/she on here? And doesn’t he/she have anything better to do? It’s incredibly sad
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Post by liathroid on Mar 22, 2019 12:03:20 GMT
I can understand a British person defending our own but who is Kelw ? And why is he/she defending the Irish? Why is he/she on here? And doesn’t he/she have anything better to do? It’s incredibly sad maybe he or she is Irish
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Post by woodstein on Mar 22, 2019 13:04:31 GMT
It's not that simple and it's not a good comparison. Soldiers fighting other soldiers in a war is one thing. Committing atrocities is another. British Army has a litany of shame in Ireland absolutely but we (& by we for a long time we can include the Irish in this) can be proud of the Army in war equally absolutely. Can see why Irish people are proud of what used to be the IRA re 1916 however can't see anything - anything - for Irish people to be proud of the IRA since then. Overtly supporting the Nazis. Indiscriminate bombings. Cowardly murders. Nothing to be proud of there. Unionist terrorism is just as abhorrent. Should Ireland be united? Personally I believe so but let's not pretend the IRA is anything other than beyond the pale. Here's a comparison. The British go into Ireland, kill and torture thousands of people, burn their houses and drive them off their land ....you talk of cowardly murders but this is fine? The Irish have the audacity to fight back to reclaim what is rightly theirs and it's terrorism and nothing to be proud of etc. Make your mind up. The Nazi comparison is pathetic I asked you this before: do you live in Britain? If you have such hatred surely you don't.
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Post by Roy Cropper on Mar 22, 2019 13:40:02 GMT
Every Irishman I've ever met has said "Up the RA" - they don't mean it literally. If you're offended by a 15 year old saying it as a joke you need to get a life.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 22, 2019 14:16:58 GMT
I can understand a British person defending our own but who is Kelw ? And why is he/she defending the Irish? Why is he/she on here? And doesn’t he/she have anything better to do? It’s incredibly sad They've popped up fairly recently and seem to have a lot to say for themselves.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 22, 2019 14:24:44 GMT
I can understand a British person defending our own but who is Kelw ? And why is he/she defending the Irish? Why is he/she on here? And doesn’t he/she have anything better to do? It’s incredibly sad maybe he or she is Irish And Stoke is an English club that has supporters and former players that have served - or who have relatives/friends who have served - the British Armed Forces. Whilst Irish fans are more than welcome to support SCFC, we aren't and never will be an Irish club, so if certain people want to keep bashing the British military, they may be better served posting their views on one of the numerous Celtic forums where they'll be better received. As for Declan Rice, he's thrown his lot in with England so he's hardly Gerry Adams Junior is he? 😎
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 22, 2019 17:17:25 GMT
And Stoke is an English club that has supporters and former players that have served - or who have relatives/friends who have served - the British Armed Forces. Whilst Irish fans are more than welcome to support SCFC, we aren't and never will be an Irish club, so if certain people want to keep bashing the British military, they may be better served posting their views on one of the numerous Celtic forums where they'll be better received. As for Declan Rice, he's thrown his lot in with England so he's hardly Gerry Adams Junior is he? 😎 And Declan Rice is and English born West Ham footballer of Irish heritage. He's also nothing to do with Stoke. So if we're happy to discuss and be judgemental on his beliefs (or misbeliefs) on a Stoke messageboard then someone is entitled to give an opposing view on that same messageboard Whether we agree with them or not.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 22, 2019 17:39:01 GMT
What this thread tells me is that footballs governing body needs to sort out a proper and clear system. In my opinion if a player represents a country at 4 different levels he/she should not then be entitled to go and play for another country. We may as well introduce international bloody transfer fees with the current system! Declan Rice made his choice and from the latest revelations seemed very loyal to his original choice of nation. He has a serious character flaw in my view.
And I am staying out of the IRA debate. A football message board is no place for highly complex political debate like that in my opinion.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 22, 2019 18:11:00 GMT
What this thread tells me is that footballs governing body needs to sort out a proper and clear system. In my opinion if a player represents a country at 4 different levels he/she should not then be entitled to go and play for another country. We may as well introduce international bloody transfer fees with the current system! Declan Rice made his choice and from the latest revelations seemed very loyal to his original choice of nation. He has a serious character flaw in my view. And I am staying out of the IRA debate. A football message board is no place for highly complex political debate like that in my opinion. What is wrong is he shouldn't have been allowed to play for Ireland at junior levels...because he is English. Ireland have been doing this for years and one went against them.
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Post by RAF on Mar 22, 2019 18:58:55 GMT
No different from our very own Dog with a balloon, a so called proud Northern Irishman who plays for Eire!
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Post by leicspotter on Mar 22, 2019 19:12:28 GMT
Wasn't Tony Cascarino ( Italian) Irish
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 22, 2019 20:29:24 GMT
What this thread tells me is that footballs governing body needs to sort out a proper and clear system. In my opinion if a player represents a country at 4 different levels he/she should not then be entitled to go and play for another country. We may as well introduce international bloody transfer fees with the current system! Declan Rice made his choice and from the latest revelations seemed very loyal to his original choice of nation. He has a serious character flaw in my view. And I am staying out of the IRA debate. A football message board is no place for highly complex political debate like that in my opinion. What is wrong is he shouldn't have been allowed to play for Ireland at junior levels...because he is English. Ireland have been doing this for years and one went against them. Under the current rules yes he should have been allowed to play for Ireland due to his Irish grandparents. He chose to do so, not once but at 4 different levels. He should therefore play for Ireland in my opinion. The reason he didn't play for England at junior level is because England missed him so he took the option of playing for Ireland. Decision made, stick to it. I am English and whilst Rice may turn out to be a brilliant footballer I will always think its wrong that he is now playing for us because he should be playing for Ireland.
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Post by ursemboys on Mar 22, 2019 21:03:19 GMT
Has Bojan not switched sides from Spain to Catalonia ?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 22, 2019 21:20:46 GMT
Has Bojan not switched sides from Spain to Catalonia ? Catalonia are not recognised by FIFA anyway.
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Post by kelw on Mar 22, 2019 21:42:51 GMT
Raheem Sterling- Born Kingston, Jamaica .
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Post by ursemboys on Mar 22, 2019 21:43:42 GMT
Has Bojan not switched sides from Spain to Catalonia ? Catalonia are not recognised by FIFA anyway. Irrelevant really, the fact that players can choice who they want to play for never mind where they where born is more the issue ,Bojan choice to play for Spain but now choices to play for Catalonia ,Rice won't be the last to jump ship ,I can only think of Giggs who stayed loyal Wales .
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Post by Davef on Mar 22, 2019 21:51:06 GMT
Anyway, back to football. I thought he looked a very decent player.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 22, 2019 21:51:17 GMT
Catalonia are not recognised by FIFA anyway. Irrelevant really, the fact that players can choice who they want to play for never mind where they where born is more the issue ,Bojan choice to play for Spain but now choices to play for Catalonia ,Rice won't be the last to jump ship ,I can only think of Giggs who stayed loyal Wales . I totally agree with you. I've clearly made my view earlier and yes the same principle applies. But the point being Spain aren't really going to be bothered about Bojan playing for Catalonia. Ireland have lost what would have been a quality player for them and that's going to hurt them badly after they have invested so much in him. As I have said I am English but I feel for the Irish over that one. Its a real kick in the balls. And as an Englishman I don't want players who were prepared to give it all for Ireland and then suddenly decide I will change my mind and play for England. It shows poor character and that can't be denied.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 22, 2019 21:57:41 GMT
Raheem Sterling- Born Kingston, Jamaica . And I suppose Ray Houghton, Tony Cascarino, John Aldridge, Chris Hughton and Mark Lawrenson were all delivered by stork to the Blarney Stone weren't they? 😎 Which part of Dublin does Clinton 'To Be Sure' Morrison hail from, out of interest?
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Post by sheds1862 on Mar 22, 2019 22:02:52 GMT
Raheem Sterling- Born Kingston, Jamaica . And I suppose Ray Houghton, Tony Cascarino, John Aldridge, Chris Hughtonand Mark Lawrenson were all delivered by stork to the Blarney Stone weren't they? 😎 Which part of Dublin does Clinton 'To Be Sure' Morrison hail from, out of interest? And Cockernee Townsend . Born Maidstone. We could go on.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 22, 2019 22:03:33 GMT
What is wrong is he shouldn't have been allowed to play for Ireland at junior levels...because he is English. Ireland have been doing this for years and one went against them. Under the current rules yes he should have been allowed to play for Ireland due to his Irish grandparents. He chose to do so, not once but at 4 different levels. He should therefore play for Ireland in my opinion. The reason he didn't play for England at junior level is because England missed him so he took the option of playing for Ireland. Decision made, stick to it. I am English and whilst Rice may turn out to be a brilliant footballer I will always think its wrong that he is now playing for us because he should be playing for Ireland. I respectfully disagree. He is English, so he shouldn't have played for Ireland at junior level. Finding a link through grandparents is not acceptable in my view. I am English. I live in Scotland and my children are scottish. They were born here. If they ever reach an elite level in any kind of sport, I would insist on them performing for Scotland. That is the right way of doing things. Rice should never have played for Ireland at any level but for years now, irelands whole policy is to look at people with irish grandparents, which is probably a massive percentage of people living in England. Its total bullshit and this time it worked against them. Fuck them
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