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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 10, 2019 18:32:58 GMT
I posted this in another thread. He didn't make a massive impact but he was one of the better players: "I specifically watched Bojan after he came on yesterday (as in followed him all over the pitch) because I wanted to see exactly what he did: Completed three dribbles with the ball Moved into space to provide options Successfully took on four defenders, only got tackled once Completed six passes Played an excellent through ball between two defenders to Vokes which led to a corner for us Moved back to defend every corner and free kick against us Ran very quickly to support a counter-attack Successfully won the ball from two WBA players trying to keep it in the corner Not bad for a cameo, he contributed a lot more than most of the others. But because it's Bojan and he's judged to a different standard than anyone else, he obviously "did nothing" because he didn't score a forty-yard, wrong-footed volley that nutmegged the keeper." Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/286131/obviously-wants-another-power-forward?page=1#ixzz5f9doKc8r
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Post by misii30 on Feb 10, 2019 18:48:27 GMT
I must. I think I did to everyone to be honest reading this board because I don't think yesterday was that bad. Opinions eh?! I think he played better in the 10 minutes before Bojan came on and when Bojan came on. I actually think he plays well with Bojan. He commented on that himself earlier in the season before Bojan got completely banished. For me he just seems to go missing and is not the best option at No.10 as he is creative but he creates for himself. Bojan is the better pass spotter I think which is why I made the above comment and more of a feeder. Perhaps Jones can find a way to play them together? Who knows. He does go missing tbf, I thought he did next to nothing in the first half, and yes, as you say, we weren't as bad as some are making out but apart from Edwards putting crosses in we created very little which isn't good enough, you say Bojan is the better pass spotter but in that game I can only think of one half decent one to Clucas other than that all he seemed to do was slow everything down letting West Brom to get into position, things need to improve massively going forward, we win the game if we had more creativity going forward. The positive for me was we looked more solid at the back in open play, Etebo did well covering for Clucas and BMI had a much improved game in the middle, its just going to take time and a few new midfielders that fit the system. That exact pass to Clucas which you highlighted showed exactly why he was slow to let go of the ball and seemed like it was slowing the attack. You can see how Bojan gets the ball on the left edge of 16 and keeps moving towards the middle to draw defenders with him and constantly keeps glancing to his left and waiting for the run to come. It was like looking a slowed video, he waits and turns and waits, and waits and waits some more before Clucas finally makes that run he was waiting for what seemed like an eternity for me. Bojan wasn't a world beater yesterday (and hasn't been for a while I give you that) but you can't exactly blame him for slowing up the game when no-one else seems to be anywhere near the wavelength he occupies.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 10, 2019 18:48:28 GMT
I posted this in another thread. He didn't make a massive impact but he was one of the better players: "I specifically watched Bojan after he came on yesterday (as in followed him all over the pitch) because I wanted to see exactly what he did: Completed three dribbles with the ball Moved into space to provide options Successfully took on four defenders, only got tackled once Completed six passes Played an excellent through ball between two defenders to Vokes which led to a corner for us Moved back to defend every corner and free kick against us Ran very quickly to support a counter-attack Successfully won the ball from two WBA players trying to keep it in the corner Not bad for a cameo, he contributed a lot more than most of the others. But because it's Bojan and he's judged to a different standard than anyone else, he obviously "did nothing" because he didn't score a forty-yard, wrong-footed volley that nutmegged the keeper." Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/286131/obviously-wants-another-power-forward?page=1#ixzz5f9doKc8rSpot on. I watched him closely and despite no movement at all up front he was the only player who still found a couple of effective forward passes. He was the only player to find a bit of space, he won a couple of corners. He found a couple of good positions on the edge of the area where he should have been teed up for shots. He had a couple of instances where he danced around west brom players with ease. For me he is by far the best player at the club. It is a player like that where, if we get him match sharp, he will turn around the club, and win games on his own. So fucking fuck knows why we are willing to experiment with james fucking mcclean up front. In this desolation of a season, for fucking cunting fucks sake, SETTLE the bojan question, play him every game, pick a team around him, let's see if he's the man to take us back up next season. We KNOW the answers to the questions around the rest of the squad, let's give Bojana proper run in the team, playing where he wants to play and with a pacy player like diouf or afobe up front with vokes to stretch things out
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Post by march4 on Feb 10, 2019 18:58:16 GMT
I like Jones and think he may do well given time but he must stop this nonsense. We hardly look full of goals at the best of times, but playing a 2nd striker who never looks like scoring is bizarre to the point of folly!!. Afobe may not be Jones cup of tea but he at least knows where the net is..Come on Nathan let's sort this out. Why NJ thinks that playing someone who has scored 11 goals in 158 appearances as a striker is the answer to our lack of goals is baffling. He keeps bringing on a man who has scored 3 league goals in 4 years!
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Post by misii30 on Feb 10, 2019 18:58:21 GMT
I posted this in another thread. He didn't make a massive impact but he was one of the better players: "I specifically watched Bojan after he came on yesterday (as in followed him all over the pitch) because I wanted to see exactly what he did: Completed three dribbles with the ball Moved into space to provide options Successfully took on four defenders, only got tackled once Completed six passes Played an excellent through ball between two defenders to Vokes which led to a corner for us Moved back to defend every corner and free kick against us Ran very quickly to support a counter-attack Successfully won the ball from two WBA players trying to keep it in the corner Not bad for a cameo, he contributed a lot more than most of the others. But because it's Bojan and he's judged to a different standard than anyone else, he obviously "did nothing" because he didn't score a forty-yard, wrong-footed volley that nutmegged the keeper." Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/286131/obviously-wants-another-power-forward?page=1#ixzz5f9doKc8rYou can add that a few times he was in acres of space in the edge of 16 screaming for a cutback from Edwards, which sadly never came. Ince was in the same space a few times too before Bojan came on and not a single time did Edwards raise his head and look for options. Tom Edwards played well yesterday I thought, but when I was looking the match again today I noticed that he really, really wants to force the cross 110% of the times he gets the ball. I get it, he has a good cross but he really needs to start paying some attention to where the team-mates are instead of just always delivering an oftentimes blind cross to the middle.
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Post by misii30 on Feb 10, 2019 19:02:14 GMT
Why NJ thinks that playing someone who has scored 11 goals in 158 appearances as a striker is the answer to our lack of goals is baffling. He keeps bringing on a man who has scored 3 league goals in 4 years! Who are you referring to? Shawcross?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 22:10:42 GMT
You must have watched a different game to me, second half Ince was the best player on the pitch. I must. I think I did to everyone to be honest reading this board because I don't think yesterday was that bad. Opinions eh?! I think he played better in the 10 minutes before Bojan came on and when Bojan came on. I actually think he plays well with Bojan. He commented on that himself earlier in the season before Bojan got completely banished. For me he just seems to go missing and is not the best option at No.10 as he is creative but he creates for himself. Bojan is the better pass spotter I think which is why I made the above comment and more of a feeder. Perhaps Jones can find a way to play them together? Who knows. It simply isn't going to happen, as Jones see them as alternatives. He's not going to break up his precious diamond to have Ince playing wide unless Ince becomes an attacking left wing back (he can attack. but he can't defend). Moreover Ince plays for himself, not for the badge. He does look exciting running with the ball, but nothing ever happens as he can't find a way to pass to himself in the middle when he's out wide...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 22:26:12 GMT
I must. I think I did to everyone to be honest reading this board because I don't think yesterday was that bad. Opinions eh?! I think he played better in the 10 minutes before Bojan came on and when Bojan came on. I actually think he plays well with Bojan. He commented on that himself earlier in the season before Bojan got completely banished. For me he just seems to go missing and is not the best option at No.10 as he is creative but he creates for himself. Bojan is the better pass spotter I think which is why I made the above comment and more of a feeder. Perhaps Jones can find a way to play them together? Who knows. It simply isn't going to happen, as Jones see them as alternatives. He's not going to break up his precious diamond to have Ince playing wide unless Ince becomes an attacking left wing back (he can attack. but he can't defend). Moreover Ince plays for himself, not for the badge. He does look exciting running with the ball, but nothing ever happens as he can't find a way to pass to himself in the middle when he's out wide... The diamond doesn’t use wingbacks? It has full backs they are just supposed to attack. Obviously he can’t be leftback if that song why you mean but I don’t see why he wouldn’t try Ince on either side of the diamond rather than the top or up front but as you say he plays for himself so it’s whether he develops the work rate to do that and doesn’t vanish for half a game.
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Post by future100 on Feb 10, 2019 23:00:27 GMT
He keeps bringing on a man who has scored 3 league goals in 4 years! Who are you referring to? Shawcross? must be james maclean as he doesn't keep bringing Shawcross on?
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Post by misii30 on Feb 10, 2019 23:04:42 GMT
Who are you referring to? Shawcross? must be james maclean as he doesn't keep bringing Shawcross on? McClean seems to have 5 league goals in the last 4 years according to Transfermarkt.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 10, 2019 23:16:04 GMT
I've seen enough of McClean to come up with what I feel is a reasoned, balanced view: He is a shite football player who would be out of his depth playing for Stafford Rangers.
I am prepared to give Jones time to get results but I can not accept his selection of such a piss poor footballer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 4:14:51 GMT
It simply isn't going to happen, as Jones see them as alternatives. He's not going to break up his precious diamond to have Ince playing wide unless Ince becomes an attacking left wing back (he can attack. but he can't defend). Moreover Ince plays for himself, not for the badge. He does look exciting running with the ball, but nothing ever happens as he can't find a way to pass to himself in the middle when he's out wide... The diamond doesn’t use wingbacks? It has full backs they are just supposed to attack. Obviously he can’t be leftback if that song why you mean but I don’t see why he wouldn’t try Ince on either side of the diamond rather than the top or up front but as you say he plays for himself so it’s whether he develops the work rate to do that and doesn’t vanish for half a game. Just watch the space go red-hot if in the next match-day thread you suggest Ince as our left back cum wingback...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 7:19:25 GMT
The diamond doesn’t use wingbacks? It has full backs they are just supposed to attack. Obviously he can’t be leftback if that song why you mean but I don’t see why he wouldn’t try Ince on either side of the diamond rather than the top or up front but as you say he plays for himself so it’s whether he develops the work rate to do that and doesn’t vanish for half a game. Just watch the space go red-hot if in the next match-day thread you suggest Ince as our left back cum wingback... I haven’t - what are you even on about? I said be nice to find a way if Ince and Bojan could both play and you’re making up that I’ve said he could be a wingback/left back?!!!
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 11, 2019 7:42:58 GMT
I've seen enough of McClean to come up with what I feel is a reasoned, balanced view: He is a shite football player who would be out of his depth playing for Stafford Rangers. I am prepared to give Jones time to get results but I can not accept his selection of such a piss poor footballer. 6 million quid for him it’s a joke
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Post by Onneravineet on Feb 11, 2019 8:40:17 GMT
Strange choice of word to EMPHASISE in your title...MUST. Surely it should have been STOP! Or even NOW. It doesn’t exude enough passion using must.
You are right though. He HAS to persist with Afobe and Vokes or bring Mame back into the fold.
Oh and Bojan HAS to start. Ince is a show pony and a no show when the going gets tough, imho.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Feb 11, 2019 8:42:36 GMT
It simply has to be Mame up front. Said exactly this on Saturday. For all his faults, he often gets into great positions and I'd think he'd feed off Vokes well.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 11, 2019 9:18:55 GMT
Said for weeks it should be Diouf , second choice berahino anyone could see he was more suited to the role than McLean at the weekend , Indeed a radical move away.
Butland
Bauer. Two from 4 centre backs. Clucas ( madness not Pieters )
Adam
Allen. Etebo Berahino
Vokes Diouf
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 11, 2019 9:31:10 GMT
He obviously won't let it go on for another game.
I think you could make a case for it against Hull after his bright cameo, although it was still a strange one.
It was a bizarre choice against West Brom, but if you listen to his interview, it's clearly almost totally a commentary on the other absolute wasters at the club, rather than a big vote of confidence in McClean. Presumably the thinking was at last with him he'll get a big bloke running his balls off.
The one that I can't work out is Diouf. He seems to be fit and, like McClean, at least guarantees 100% effort. But he's been on the pitch once since September.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 11, 2019 9:40:43 GMT
He clearly doesn't fancy Afobe so who will he go with Wednesday. I think there is a strong case for McClean as left wing back if he reverts to 5 3 2?
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Post by Roger Everyone on Feb 11, 2019 9:50:38 GMT
Has to be Afobe or Diouf up front with Vokes.
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Post by neddy on Feb 11, 2019 12:04:35 GMT
Has to be Afobe or Diouf up front with Vokes. Or Berahino?
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 11, 2019 13:08:44 GMT
FM..I must have missed the hidden undertones in Jones's post match interview. What did he say or allude to?
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Post by Roger Everyone on Feb 11, 2019 13:56:35 GMT
Has to be Afobe or Diouf up front with Vokes. Or Berahino? Personally i don't rate him, i would rather see Afobe or Diouf or Campbell if he was here. I think we should cut our losses and move Berahino on or pay up his contract. He is never going to get a run of games as he is just not good enough.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 11, 2019 15:16:43 GMT
FM..I must have missed the hidden undertones in Jones's post match interview. What did he say or allude to? www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06z2f7j17 mins Nigel Johnson asked him: "You've gone with Vokes and McClean again today. Is that where your mind is going, or are you still there with Afobe or perhaps Berahino who could come into contention?" With no prompting, he brought up effort levels and "getting away with things" to perhaps indicate why his selection had been what it was. "No, I'm very open-minded and I thought Berahino did well when he came on. He linked play and he looked a threat. Now that's what they've got to do every day. They've got to do that every single day. Some of them haven't been used to working hard and have been getting away with a lot of things. That doesn't happen any more"
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 11, 2019 15:29:28 GMT
Thanks FM, that's pretty clear he ain't impressed with certain individuals. Berahino to start up top next game then!!
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