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Post by johno1112 on Feb 12, 2019 16:17:35 GMT
Butland
Edwards Batth Indi Tymon
Charlie Etebo Joe Bojan
Vokes Diouff
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 12, 2019 17:09:50 GMT
Is Tymon really much worse than Clucas at left back?. He was slaughtered after Preston but I really didn't think he was that bad?. Put one or two decent balls into the 6 yard box.
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Post by mcw on Feb 12, 2019 17:20:40 GMT
Is Tymon really much worse than Clucas at left back?. He was slaughtered after Preston but I really didn't think he was that bad?. Put one or two decent balls into the 6 yard box. I think it was the way he got rinsed for the first goal that had Nathan Jones absolutely furious- drop of the shoulder and the Preston player was gone and in acres of space in our box. Agree he looked decent going the other way.
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Post by steve66 on Feb 12, 2019 17:50:58 GMT
Itβs the way we lined up for school matches (about 50 years (or so) ago, fuck diamonds 3/5/2,, 4/4/2,, 4/5/1!!!! Play to the (current) players strengths!! Ah! The good old W formation, when players had numbers 1 to 11 that actually indicated the position they played in. Not like squad number 45 because that was the number of International Caps that their boyhood hero won. Usually it is the centre forward who plays & receives the ball with their back towards goal, now is it just me but seems now that the majority of our further forward players receive the ball when they have their backs to goal, hence we keep going back towards butland!
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Post by mrteddysalad on Feb 12, 2019 20:11:12 GMT
Clucas played better in the 2nd half against WBA and we don't have any better option at LWB. Whether you rate him or not (I don't) he should get the call.
and we need Charlie and Bera out there, fuck off with Woods and McClean
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Post by loosestools on Feb 12, 2019 20:25:16 GMT
Clucas played better in the 2nd half against WBA and we don't have any better option at LWB. Whether you rate him or not (I don't) he should get the call. and we need Charlie and Bera out there, fuck off with Woods and McClean Sorry but - what? Clucas is dire, as is McWank. Woods is on the psychiatrist table at the moment because nobody knows why he has become ineffective, Berahino is a waste of oxygen. Charlie - good old pro - yes.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Feb 12, 2019 21:27:34 GMT
Is Tymon really much worse than Clucas at left back?. He was slaughtered after Preston but I really didn't think he was that bad?. Put one or two decent balls into the 6 yard box. A really good question...Clucas has been absolute garbage lately, according to the Signal 2 commentators and many observers on here
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 12, 2019 21:48:40 GMT
Is Tymon really much worse than Clucas at left back?. He was slaughtered after Preston but I really didn't think he was that bad?. Put one or two decent balls into the 6 yard box. A really good question...Clucas has been absolute garbage lately, according to the Signal 2 commentators and many observers on here An even better one is why is our best left back proven premier league quality , playing in France and paid for by us , staggering
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Post by jwhpotter on Feb 12, 2019 22:02:31 GMT
We really need to get something out of these next 2 games to ease some pressure. Bolton have won tonight - we canβt be letting both Wigan & Ipswich take 3 points off us
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 12, 2019 22:29:58 GMT
Does Jones set up to to win, or set up to continue the education of the squad in the art of playing his precious diamond? Are the two mutually exclusive?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 22:59:26 GMT
Does Jones set up to to win, or set up to continue the education of the squad in the art of playing his precious diamond? Are the two mutually exclusive? No not mutually exclusive. Weβre attacking more just no-ones taking their shots! An actual striker up front with Vokes may help though π
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Post by mrteddysalad on Feb 12, 2019 23:18:40 GMT
Clucas played better in the 2nd half against WBA and we don't have any better option at LWB. Whether you rate him or not (I don't) he should get the call. and we need Charlie and Bera out there, fuck off with Woods and McClean Sorry but - what?Β Clucas is dire, as is McWank.Β Woods is on the psychiatrist table at the moment because nobody knows why he has become ineffective, Berahino is a waste of oxygen.Β Charlie - good old pro - yes. Like I said, I donβt rate him much, and yes he was absolute shite the last few games, but he played well in the 2nd half. Iβm not going to just say heβs wank, has always been wank, and will always be wank...because heβs shown at times heβs capable of decent play.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Feb 13, 2019 0:38:01 GMT
I can't shake this feeling that I'll be irritated again this time tomorrow.
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Feb 13, 2019 1:35:23 GMT
Clucas, Woods, Tymon and Wimmer are good players. Something has happened to them since they joined the club. Theyβve gone off the boil fast. You have to think itβs a coaching issue.
Meanwhile we should support them loud and proud whenever possible to (re)build their confidence.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 13, 2019 2:10:08 GMT
Butland Shawcross Batth Bruno Edwards Allen Etebo Tymon Bojan Berahino Vokes enough 'quality' availabe to make a strong combination for cover/mix it up... Diouf Berahino Woods Williams Clucas McClean Sorenson Fed. etc Strong Bench Tak' it to 'em.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Feb 13, 2019 8:01:50 GMT
Do eet for Gordon, Stowk!
Do eet for Gordon Banks.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 13, 2019 8:31:45 GMT
Does Jones set up to to win, or set up to continue the education of the squad in the art of playing his precious diamond? Are the two mutually exclusive? There are 2 interpretations of this: 1 The diamond is a very attack minded system - so in that sense he's trying to set us up to win rather than play for a draw or nick a win 2 The diamond is not suited to our current squad. We would be more likely to win if we played to the current squad's strength's which would mean going back to 433 or 532. However both these formations (certainly a Rowett style 433) are less attack minded - in effect we would be setting up for a draw and hoping for a win but (ironicallY) would probably be more likely to win at the moment than if we persist with the diamond. Personally I think Jones should persist with the diamond for the rest of the season in the hope that he can develop a core of players who are comfortable with the system to build around next season - and hope we secure enough points to avoid relegation. Which may mean losing games like the one tonight. Which of course means giving the moaners and goat slaughters more ammunition. But that's where we are at.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Feb 13, 2019 10:23:01 GMT
Butland Edwards Batth Indi Clucas Allen Etebo Ince Bojan Saido Vokes
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Post by starkiller on Feb 13, 2019 10:23:38 GMT
Wigan away was the first game after Sir Stan passed on ..
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Post by GeneralFaye on Feb 13, 2019 10:26:02 GMT
If Jones sticks with the same system then Adam and Afobe need to be in the starting 11.
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Feb 13, 2019 10:26:03 GMT
Butland
Edwards Batth Bruno Clucas
Adam
Allen Etebo
Bojan
Afobe Vokes
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 13, 2019 10:55:48 GMT
I can't shake this feeling that I'll be irritated again this time tomorrow. Only if you have hope. Lol
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Post by bolders on Feb 13, 2019 11:50:58 GMT
Butland Edwards Batth BMI Bauer Adam Allen Etebo Ince Vokes Afobe
Then Bojan comes on for Ince
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Post by mjg13x on Feb 13, 2019 11:58:10 GMT
Let's win one for Gordon!
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 13, 2019 13:36:40 GMT
Does Jones set up to to win, or set up to continue the education of the squad in the art of playing his precious diamond? Are the two mutually exclusive? There are 2 interpretations of this: 1 The diamond is a very attack minded system - so in that sense he's trying to set us up to win rather than play for a draw or nick a win 2 The diamond is not suited to our current squad. We would be more likely to win if we played to the current squad's strength's which would mean going back to 433 or 532. However both these formations (certainly a Rowett style 433) are less attack minded - in effect we would be setting up for a draw and hoping for a win but (ironicallY) would probably be more likely to win at the moment than if we persist with the diamond. Personally I think Jones should persist with the diamond for the rest of the season in the hope that he can develop a core of players who are comfortable with the system to build around next season - and hope we secure enough points to avoid relegation. Which may mean losing games like the one tonight. Which of course means giving the moaners and goat slaughters more ammunition. But that's where we are at. Pretty much where I am at too - I am prepared to give him time to bed down his system and identify which of the current lot can play it, and which can't, so he can make the appropriate changes in the summer and really hit the ground running in August. The problem with that is, as you say, the moaners will not allow him time to lose a few matches whilst undergoing this transformation.
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 13, 2019 13:38:32 GMT
Butland Edwards Batth Bruno Clucas Adam Allen Etebo Bojan Afobe Vokes If he persists with his diamond, based on the games under his stewardship to date and the squad we currently have (i.e. no senior left back!), this is the only logical selection.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 13, 2019 13:49:23 GMT
Think I'd go:
Butland Edwards Batth BMI Bauer Adam Allen Etebo Ince Diouf Vokes
Clucas needs a rest. Ince needs a prolonged run to see if he can adapt to that role. And I'd give Diouf a go.
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Post by toppercorner on Feb 13, 2019 13:57:52 GMT
--------- Butland -------- Edwards Baath BMI Bauer --------- Adam ---------- -- Allen -------- Etebo --- --------- Bojan ---------- ---- Afobe -- Vokes -----
Subs: Federici, Shawcross, McClean, Woods, Diouf, Ince, Saido
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Post by realstokebloke on Feb 13, 2019 14:50:38 GMT
Think I'd go: Butland Edwards Batth BMI Bauer Adam Allen Etebo Ince Diouf Vokes Clucas needs a rest. Ince needs a prolonged run to see if he can adapt to that role. And I'd give Diouf a go. Have we ever seeen Bauer at LB? I know he played LMF last season but that realistically doesn't automatically qualify him for the FB slot on the wrong side - neither has anyone been exactly blown away by his RB performances this time have they?
But, if the underlying agenda is experimentation (to see which players do or don't fit the diamond) and given that Clucas is no loss whatsoever, then why not?
Not sure I'd give Ince the nod over Bodger, he flattered to deceive for me last week and didn't outshine Bodger's previous game in my book. Albeit, I guess the trick here is to give whichever one a decent run to find their form, so we'd have to know what's gone off in training to make that call.
I have massive reservations with Diouffer up top but given the paucity of options as striker No2., he might also come under the banner 'why not?'
That said, we probably need to know that he is still around, let alone in contention.
Either way, I'm backing NJ during this Tinkerman II period and just hope it's not too long before it bears fruit.
1 - 2 Stoke.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 13, 2019 15:00:03 GMT
Think I'd go: Butland Edwards Batth BMI Bauer Adam Allen Etebo Ince Diouf Vokes Clucas needs a rest. Ince needs a prolonged run to see if he can adapt to that role. And I'd give Diouf a go. Have we ever seeen Bauer at LB? I know he played LMF last season but that realistically doesn't automatically qualify him for the FB slot on the wrong side - neither has anyone been exactly blown away by his RB performances this time have they?
But, if the underlying agenda is experimentation (to see which players do or don't fit the diamond) and given that Clucas is no loss whatsoever, then why not?
Not sure I'd give Ince the nod over Bodger, he flattered to deceive for me last week and didn't outshine Bodger's previous game in my book. Albeit, I guess the trick here is to give whichever one a decent run to find their form, so we'd have to know what's gone off in training to make that call.
I have massive reservations with Diouffer up top but given the paucity of options as striker No2., he might also come under the banner 'why not?'
That said, we probably need to know that he is still around, let alone in contention.
Either way, I'm backing NJ during this Tinkerman II period and just hope it's not too long before it bears fruit.
1 - 2 Stoke.
Yeah - we're still very much in chuck it against the wall and see if it sticks territory. Bauer has apparently played there 33 times in Switzerland, but not since April 2016. Can't see how he can offer less than Clucas. Ince? Tricky one. Can see the Bojan argument, but don't think it's helping either of them not to give either a run. And we do need to work out if he has any future in that role or whether he'll have to be sold in the summer. Not really fussed who gets a chance up front as long as it's not McClean. And Afobe strikes me as an absolute waster, so I'm not going to champion him until he gives us something to base it on. And Saido's Saido. At least Diouf runs about and has a kind of knack of scoring scruffy goals.
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