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Post by chigstoke on Feb 11, 2019 11:11:05 GMT
www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/formtabelle/wettbewerb/GB2?saison_id=2018&min=24&max=32During our horrific form since Christmas, we've actually gained a point on Ipswich. Rotherham and Bolton have not gained a point on us - and Reading have gained a massive 3 points. Talk of relegation is silly. I like Benji, but it's probably time to give him his own relegation thread where he can predict doom at his leisure.  We're 200/1 for a reason. As a comparison, you can currently get 100/1 on Benik Afobe to be Championship top scorer! I remember before the start of the season. Afobe was favourite for top scorer and we were favourite for the title. Up there with West Brom, Swansea, Derby, Leeds etc... How wrong could the bookies be  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 11:44:38 GMT
Those teams are starting to pick up points, unlike we. We're in trouble if we think we're safe, that we cant go down; because we can, until we are mathematically safe. Those teams ? When did Bolton, Ipswich or Reading last win a game. We are just scaremongering wins aren't the only way to win points to state the extremely obvious |
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Post by Davef on Feb 11, 2019 12:06:10 GMT
Championship Table 12th February 2018Here's the Championship table from this time last year. The third bottom club, Reading, currently have 26 points, Bolton have 23 and Ipswich have 18. Last season, Barnsley and Burton were relegated with 41 points. There isn't a real chance we will get relegated at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 12:43:15 GMT
Championship Table 12th February 2018Here's the Championship table from this time last year. The third bottom club, Reading, currently have 26 points, Bolton have 23 and Ipswich have 18. Last season, Barnsley and Burton were relegated with 41 points. There isn't a real chance we will get relegated at all. No but there is a real risk that we could. Because our players don't know the first thing about dogfights, having been playing on the sunshine coast most of their lives. Now they are playing with shattered confidences and a manager who doesn't have a clue what he's doing. I don't believe Bolton and Ipswich will make away, but any team between 22nd and 15th can't afford to stop playing. That's when suddenly it becomes impossible to change the pattern of performing, or non-performing,as in our case |
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Post by sheds1862 on Feb 11, 2019 14:38:53 GMT
Those teams ? When did Bolton, Ipswich or Reading last win a game. We are just scaremongering wins aren't the only way to win points to state the extremely obvious Draws are of no use in a relegation fight mate. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 11, 2019 14:40:53 GMT
Those teams ? When did Bolton, Ipswich or Reading last win a game. We are just scaremongering wins aren't the only way to win points to state the extremely obvious
Correct, you can draw games too.....
Now, there are 15 games left and Reading are 12 pts behind. To overhaul us they need 13.......so basically you think we should be worried on the basis that Reading (who have only even managed 11 draws in 21 games so far) are now suddenlly going to draw 13 of their last 15 games, meanwhile we will presumably not pick up anymore points until the end of the season? Or are they going to win a few (despite only winning one in the last 3 months) and we might get about 2 more points before the end of the season?
Whichever way you look at it, you can see why it comes across as hysterical over-dramatics on your part can't you?
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Post by sheds1862 on Feb 11, 2019 14:46:57 GMT
wins aren't the only way to win points to state the extremely obvious
Correct, you can draw games too.....
Now, there are 15 games left and Reading are 12 pts behind. To overhaul us they need 13.......so basically you think we should be worried on the basis that Reading (who have only even managed 11 draws in 21 games so far) are now suddenlly going to draw 13 of their last 15 games, meanwhile we will presumably not pick up anymore points until the end of the season? Or are they going to win a few (despite only winning one in the last 3 months) and we might get about 2 more points before the end of the season?
Whichever way you look at it, you can see why it comes across as hysterical over-dramatics on your part can't you?
wish i could give 2 likes for this post. However for those still a tad worried how about a cheeky tenner at 200/1 on relegation. Nice holiday for you and the better half whilst studying the route to Accrington and Lincoln . www.oddschecker.com/football/english/championship/championship/relegation/best-odds/middl_16 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 15:03:59 GMT
Correct, you can draw games too.....
Now, there are 15 games left and Reading are 12 pts behind. To overhaul us they need 13.......so basically you think we should be worried on the basis that Reading (who have only even managed 11 draws in 21 games so far) are now suddenlly going to draw 13 of their last 15 games, meanwhile we will presumably not pick up anymore points until the end of the season? Or are they going to win a few (despite only winning one in the last 3 months) and we might get about 2 more points before the end of the season?
Whichever way you look at it, you can see why it comes across as hysterical over-dramatics on your part can't you?
wish i could give 2 likes for this post. However for those still a tad worried how about a cheeky tenner at 200/1 on relegation. Nice holiday for you and the better half whilst studying the route to Accrington and Lincoln . www.oddschecker.com/football/english/championship/championship/relegation/best-odds/middl_16I don't think we are going down but if the shit hits the fan I've got a tenner on at 275/1 to soften the blow  |
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Post by sheds1862 on Feb 11, 2019 15:09:25 GMT
I don't think we are going down but if the shit hits the fan I've got a tenner on at 275/1 to soften the blow Precisely, however reading some of the analysis on here is baffling. Ipswich are gone, Bolton probably and looks a fight between Rotherham and Reading. Even poor home draws against those 2 alone would stop them gaining any ground . I wouldn't profess to being any sort of expert but sometimes when i read the stuff on this site it is comedy gold . If possible trying to be balanced doesn't work on here. It's either beat Leeds and we are suddenly Brazil or lose to WBA and we suddenly Notts County. Never any in between, pure knee jerk for knee jerks sake. On a positive note i've not seen any new song thread titles for a week. Hopefully one crop up before Villa or i won't know what to sing at the game. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 15:19:27 GMT
I don't think we are going down but if the shit hits the fan I've got a tenner on at 275/1 to soften the blow Precisely, however reading some of the analysis on here is baffling. Ipswich are gone, Bolton probably and looks a fight between Rotherham and Reading. Even poor home draws against those 2 alone would stop them gaining any ground . I wouldn't profess to being any sort of expert but sometimes when i read the stuff on this site it is comedy gold . If possible trying to be balanced doesn't work on here. It's either beat Leeds and we are suddenly Brazil or lose to WBA and we suddenly Notts County. Never any in between, pure knee jerk for knee jerks sake. On a positive note i've not seen any new song thread titles for a week. Hopefully one crop up before Villa or i won't know what to sing at the game. Sing at a game?! You maniac. We're not allowed to do that at all anymore. You must sit and boo everything they do. Even if we manage to win you should boo because they haven't scored enough, or GOD FORBID they did a back pass or they are all breathing incorrectly. Who do you think you are going to a game and trying to enjoy it ;-) |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 11, 2019 16:15:59 GMT
Sadly weeks ago I said at 250-1 I felt we were good value and and that my old friend GC is now watching with one beady eye , not circling yet but defeats in the next two and he will be sliding menacingly off the river back . Regardless Jones has to stay now it will prove equivocally while he might be naive and erratic managers aren’t the core Issue Tell GC to stay where he is and focus his attention on Reading, Rotherham, Bolton and Ipswich- I know he is a greedy opportunistic so and so but feasting on the same carcass year after year is surely unpalatable- must want some fresh meat? Have to stick with Jones now- unless he turns out to be a complete basket case- to completely rip up the playbook and start again. That will start in earnest next transfer window and progress will depend on how many of the bloated premier league hangers on we can ship off to unsuspecting mugs. Don't think we will get relegated unless there is a collapse of biblical scale, but I think there needs to be a realignment at the top and within the management/player ranks to acknowledge we are where we are on merit and we are in a scrap. All this "we are looking at the play-offs", well it is hard to swallow, embarrassing and borderline narcissistic! Agree on all fronts |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 11, 2019 16:19:46 GMT
www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/formtabelle/wettbewerb/GB2?saison_id=2018&min=24&max=32During our horrific form since Christmas, we've actually gained a point on Ipswich. Rotherham and Bolton have not gained a point on us - and Reading have gained a massive 3 points. Talk of relegation is silly. I like Benji, but it's probably time to give him his own relegation thread where he can predict doom at his leisure. We're 200/1 for a reason. As a comparison, you can currently get 100/1 on Benik Afobe to be Championship top scorer! To be clear and I know your not one of them but to avoid the Brain dead jumping on you said wed be relegated bandwagon I didnt I said i fancied 52 points back In August and still Think that’s a bit high but I think 50 would be W out to save us . It’s possible , unlikely but appalling management of the club over a sustained period we are in this place and the buck stops with the ceo . |
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Post by Godo on Feb 11, 2019 16:57:42 GMT
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I think somebody needs their nappy changing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 17:06:49 GMT
wins aren't the only way to win points to state the extremely obvious Draws are of no use in a relegation fight mate. They are a start. You begin to pick up belief, confidence comes back, you're in the middle of an unbeaten run, and then you start winning. SCFC should try that sometime soon. |
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Post by samba :) on Feb 11, 2019 17:07:36 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 11, 2019 17:14:39 GMT
Draws are of no use in a relegation fight mate. They are a start. You begin to pick up belief, confidence comes back, you're in the middle of an unbeaten run, and then you start winning. SCFC should try that sometime soon. Just like our heroic great escape last season, buoyed by confidence-boosting draws with Watford, Southampton, Leicester, Burnley, Brighton and West Ham... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 17:19:15 GMT
wins aren't the only way to win points to state the extremely obvious
Correct, you can draw games too.....
Now, there are 15 games left and Reading are 12 pts behind. To overhaul us they need 13.......so basically you think we should be worried on the basis that Reading (who have only even managed 11 draws in 21 games so far) are now suddenlly going to draw 13 of their last 15 games, meanwhile we will presumably not pick up anymore points until the end of the season? Or are they going to win a few (despite only winning one in the last 3 months) and we might get about 2 more points before the end of the season?
Whichever way you look at it, you can see why it comes across as hysterical over-dramatics on your part can't you?
I've said nothing of the kind. Nothing hysterical about it. I've not even said that we "will" go down. There is however a risk and it's because we - primarily the players, the manager, and the board, but also the deluded fans -still firmly believe we are too good to go down, just like we did last year, and similarly to when we did get relegated, when we started the season, promotion was a foregone conclusion. Now according to our new manager, play-offs are just about to happen. Sadly, the pessimists - among whom I don't include myself - have been right every time... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 17:22:01 GMT
They are a start. You begin to pick up belief, confidence comes back, you're in the middle of an unbeaten run, and then you start winning. SCFC should try that sometime soon. Just like our heroic great escape last season, buoyed by confidence-boosting draws with Watford, Southampton, Leicester, Burnley, Brighton and West Ham... We didn't try hard enough! |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 11, 2019 17:23:41 GMT
Correct, you can draw games too.....
Now, there are 15 games left and Reading are 12 pts behind. To overhaul us they need 13.......so basically you think we should be worried on the basis that Reading (who have only even managed 11 draws in 21 games so far) are now suddenlly going to draw 13 of their last 15 games, meanwhile we will presumably not pick up anymore points until the end of the season? Or are they going to win a few (despite only winning one in the last 3 months) and we might get about 2 more points before the end of the season?
Whichever way you look at it, you can see why it comes across as hysterical over-dramatics on your part can't you?
I've said nothing of the kind. Nothing hysterical about it. I've not even said that we "will" go down. There is however a risk and it's because we - primarily the players, the manager, and the board, but also the deluded fans -still firmly believe we are too good to go down, just like we did last year, and similarly to when we did get relegated, when we started the season, promotion was a foregone conclusion. Now according to our new manager, play-offs are just about to happen. Sadly, the pessimists - among whom I don't include myself - have been right every time...
I don't think that Reading needing to get points in pretty much all of their games and for us to get no more until the end of the season basically being the ONLY way we could go down is anything like what happened last season is it?
You're comparing 2 entirely different situations: 1 where we were in a relegation battle pretty much all season, and then another where it would need an abolsute miracle (on Reading's behalf) to allow them to overhaul us to send us down this year. The 2 seasons are nothing alike whatsoever points or position wise.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 17:39:23 GMT
I think that Rowett did enough to keep us up.
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Post by Davef on Feb 11, 2019 17:47:42 GMT
I think that Rowett did enough to keep us up. Are you really lauding Gary Rowett for winning enough points to keep us out of League One when he was handed £40m+ and was given a remit to win promotion? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 17:48:53 GMT
I've said nothing of the kind. Nothing hysterical about it. I've not even said that we "will" go down. There is however a risk and it's because we - primarily the players, the manager, and the board, but also the deluded fans -still firmly believe we are too good to go down, just like we did last year, and similarly to when we did get relegated, when we started the season, promotion was a foregone conclusion. Now according to our new manager, play-offs are just about to happen. Sadly, the pessimists - among whom I don't include myself - have been right every time...
I don't think that Reading needing to get points in pretty much all of their games and for us to get no more until the end of the season basically being the ONLY way we could go down is anything like what happened last season is it?
You're comparing 2 entirely different situations: 1 where we were in a relegation battle pretty much all season, and then another where it would need an abolsute miracle (on Reading's behalf) to allow them to overhaul us to send us down this year. The 2 seasons are nothing alike whatsoever points or position wise.
We have been in a relegation battle all season this season. In the championship, with 46 games, there is no middle ground. At no point have we been a promotion chasing team except in our own minds. But we have been too full of ourselves to realise it, and the new manager still doesn't get it. Reading won't even need a miracle to climb above us, just 13 points out of 39, and they can do it, because their players know a thing or two about dogfights. On our part we just have to not gain any points at all, and on current form, and the mad experimenting taking place in our team, Jones' boyish playground, we are capable of it - there is a risk, that's all I'm saying. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 11, 2019 17:57:33 GMT
I don't think that Reading needing to get points in pretty much all of their games and for us to get no more until the end of the season basically being the ONLY way we could go down is anything like what happened last season is it? You're comparing 2 entirely different situations: 1 where we were in a relegation battle pretty much all season, and then another where it would need an abolsute miracle (on Reading's behalf) to allow them to overhaul us to send us down this year. The 2 seasons are nothing alike whatsoever points or position wise.
We have been in a relegation battle all season this season. In the championship, with 46 games, there is no middle ground. At no point have we been a promotion chasing team except in our own minds. But we have been too full of ourselves to realise it, and the new manager still doesn't get it. Reading won't even need a miracle to climb above us, just 13 points out of 39, and they can do it, because their players know a thing or two about dogfights. On our part we just have to not gain any points at all, and on current form, and the mad experimenting taking place in our team, Jones' boyish playground, we are capable of it - there is a risk, that's all I'm saying. They lost six of their last 10 games in their one and only dogfight last season and only stayed up by dint of other teams being worse. Think it's a stretch to suggest they 'know one or two things about a dogfight'. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 18:01:36 GMT
I think that Rowett did enough to keep us up. Are you really lauding Gary Rowett for winning enough points to keep us out of League One when he was handed £40m+ and was given a remit to win promotion? Not at all - I never wanted him in the first place. He could never go soon enough for me. BUT if we stay up, it won't be the points that Jones made that did it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 18:05:47 GMT
Are you really lauding Gary Rowett for winning enough points to keep us out of League One when he was handed £40m+ and was given a remit to win promotion? Not at all - I never wanted him in the first place. He could never go soon enough for me. BUT if we stay up, it won't be the points that Jones made that did it. You do realise that if we beat Wigan Jones will have got more points from his first six league games than Rowett did and if we draw it will be the same? You are perhaps jumping the gun a little bit on this one. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 18:10:11 GMT
Not at all - I never wanted him in the first place. He could never go soon enough for me. BUT if we stay up, it won't be the points that Jones made that did it. You do realise that if we beat Wigan Jones will have got more points from his first six league games than Rowett did and if we draw it will be the same? You are perhaps jumping the gun a little bit on this one. Perhaps you could be jumping the gun assuming Jones will get any more points at all? I do expect him to get more points - but then again? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 18:54:10 GMT
We have been in a relegation battle all season this season. In the championship, with 46 games, there is no middle ground. At no point have we been a promotion chasing team except in our own minds. But we have been too full of ourselves to realise it, and the new manager still doesn't get it. Reading won't even need a miracle to climb above us, just 13 points out of 39, and they can do it, because their players know a thing or two about dogfights. On our part we just have to not gain any points at all, and on current form, and the mad experimenting taking place in our team, Jones' boyish playground, we are capable of it - there is a risk, that's all I'm saying. They lost six of their last 10 games in their one and only dogfight last season and only stayed up by dint of other teams being worse. Think it's a stretch to suggest they 'know one or two things about a dogfight'. Maybe so, but that doesn't take away the risk. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 11, 2019 18:58:54 GMT
They lost six of their last 10 games in their one and only dogfight last season and only stayed up by dint of other teams being worse. Think it's a stretch to suggest they 'know one or two things about a dogfight'. Maybe so, but that doesn't take away the risk. It’s extremely, extremely unlikely. |
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 11, 2019 19:08:49 GMT
Maybe so, but that doesn't take away the risk. It’s extremely, extremely unlikely. We said that at various points last season. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 19:21:29 GMT
I don't think that Reading needing to get points in pretty much all of their games and for us to get no more until the end of the season basically being the ONLY way we could go down is anything like what happened last season is it?
You're comparing 2 entirely different situations: 1 where we were in a relegation battle pretty much all season, and then another where it would need an abolsute miracle (on Reading's behalf) to allow them to overhaul us to send us down this year. The 2 seasons are nothing alike whatsoever points or position wise.
We have been in a relegation battle all season this season. In the championship, with 46 games, there is no middle ground. At no point have we been a promotion chasing team except in our own minds. But we have been too full of ourselves to realise it, and the new manager still doesn't get it. Reading won't even need a miracle to climb above us, just 13 points out of 39, and they can do it, because their players know a thing or two about dogfights. On our part we just have to not gain any points at all, and on current form, and the mad experimenting taking place in our team, Jones' boyish playground, we are capable of it - there is a risk, that's all I'm saying. You're one of those Brexit hoarders aren't you? ;-) |
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