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Post by leicspotter on Feb 10, 2019 10:58:27 GMT
Well, we rate the players and the manager, why not rate ourselves...if you dare! * if you were there 2* from me: 1 for the applause pre-match for Emiliano Sala and another for the applause on 28 mins for Rob The only Stoke player who had his name sung all game was Saido...sadly that was from the Baggies with a somewhat questionable last line Are we turning into what we despise the most...Arsenal? NJ has stated several times what he is all about, and called for patience whilst he gets his message through to the players. We all know that footballers aren't the sharpest tools in the box, so it WILL take time, and the manager WILL need to get rid of several in the summer, when he will hopefully recruit better than his most recent predecessors In the meantime, why don't we try and give the lads a bit of a lift? Too radical?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 10, 2019 11:01:17 GMT
This 'it's the fans fault' bullshit has got to stop. It's really not helpful or relevant.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 10, 2019 11:02:24 GMT
Why should we lift these fuckers?
They’ve had ample opportunities and still keep churning out the same gutless, cowardly shite week on week.
Then we get the same recycled shit in the press every week about “We’ll look to correct this” only for the exact same thing to happen.
There’s nothing to support at the moment, nothing.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 10, 2019 11:02:25 GMT
10 - anyone that turned up to watch that shit deserves a medal.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 10, 2019 11:07:28 GMT
This 'it's the fans fault' bullshit has got to stop. It's really not helpful or relevant. Indeed Sheikhy. The one time in the match that any player looked like he gave a shit (Allen aggressively but fairly challenging for the ball in the second half, right on the touch line in front of the Sentinel stand) saw the noise level increase a 100 fold but it soon died down again when normal service was resumed on the pitch.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 10, 2019 11:13:51 GMT
This 'it's the fans fault' bullshit has got to stop. It's really not helpful or relevant. But this constant slagging of the players and the manager is helpful? Especially as you of all people know that the real culprits for our current malaise are neither of those.
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Post by werrington on Feb 10, 2019 11:14:27 GMT
The support have been very lenient in all of this
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Post by neddy on Feb 10, 2019 11:20:58 GMT
The problem is fundamentally the fans have had 3 years of this situation and are so frustrated then this is how it’s manifests itself.
Rowett didn’t allow for that and you see what occurred and he had only been there 6 months. Nathan I support with his changes but he too needs to understand it is a result of 3 years not his first 4 weeks. I think he can mention it’s not helpful to boo back passes but in the same breath he had to recognise the 3 years of total frustration when he does.
I would not boo players ever but can understand when grumbles occur?
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Post by leicspotter on Feb 10, 2019 11:21:33 GMT
The support have been very lenient in all of this Sounded more like apathy yesterday...when I say 'sounded' I use the word advisedly since, other than a few boos, there was very little sound at all from us
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Post by greenhoff on Feb 10, 2019 11:25:41 GMT
Three years of garbage. Three years of watching the most wrteched group of players ever to don the shirt. How can the fans be criticised?
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 10, 2019 11:28:42 GMT
Why should we lift these fuckers? They’ve had ample opportunities and still keep churning out the same gutless, cowardly shite week on week. Then we get the same recycled shit in the press every week about “We’ll look to correct this” only for the exact same thing to happen. There’s nothing to support at the moment, nothing. Because at the end of the day it's our club?
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Feb 10, 2019 11:29:22 GMT
Anybody that turns up week after week and pays good money to watch Stoke cannot be criticised.
'Fans' who never go but constantly come on here slagging the team, the players, the manager, the directors, the club at every opportunity spreading negativity like an infection, are part of the problem.
Constructive criticism fine.
Continuous stream of poison No
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Post by robrigo on Feb 10, 2019 11:30:16 GMT
Stoke fans are some of the most passionate fans in the country. We have had three years of ineptitude, watched as the hierarchy have slowly returned us to a place we were over ten years ago. The fans have seen us spunk millions on players with no heart and no desire for the shirt. The fans have had to tolerate multi million pound signings fail and then get shipped out on loan. The fans have seen us spend millions on Berahino who has contributed to scoring less than Tony Ellis. The fans are now witnessing another striker in Benik Afobe who also cost millions gathering splinters in his arse. The fans have seen a once formidable defence now reduced to over aged players making half arsed challenges. The fans have seen the Stoke DNA evaporate to a mouldy shitstorm of a mess. The fans have seen and heard players and managers spouting the same old shit but also producing the same old shit on match day. The fans have seen us being talked about week after week whilst being in the premier league to once again becoming insignificant in the football world.
All of this has happened while we have been the richest we have ever been. It’s incompetence, it’s unforgivable and our fans have every right to voice displeasure.
I would give our fans 10/10. Our patience is to be commended, our loyalty to be commended. If the multi millionaire employees of SCFC did their jobs properly then we wouldn’t be talking about our fans. It is they who have let the club down and certainly not the fans.
I’m proud to be a Stoke fan, proud to be part of the 28,000 fans that go to games and proud to be associated with the thousands of other Stoke fans around the world.
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 10, 2019 11:33:15 GMT
Three years of garbage. Three years of watching the most wrteched group of players ever to don the shirt. How can the fans be criticised? It's been 155 years of garbage scattered with 3 or 4 bright spots. We've qualified to play in Europe 3 times .....that's an average of once every 50 years. Anyone signing up to support Stoke and expecting us to be pulling up trees, has no factual basis for their expectations and is bound to be disappointed.
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 10, 2019 11:35:01 GMT
Stoke fans are some of the most passionate fans in the country. We have had three years of ineptitude, watched as the hierarchy have slowly returned us to a place we were over ten years ago. The fans have seen us spunk millions on players with no heart and no desire for the shirt. The fans have had to tolerate multi million pound signings fail and then get shipped out on loan. The fans have seen us spend millions on Berahino who has contributed to scoring less than Tony Ellis. The fans are now witnessing another striker in Benik Afobe who also cost millions gathering splinters in his arse. The fans have seen a once formidable defence now reduced to over aged players making half arsed challenges. The fans have seen the Stoke DNA evaporate to a mouldy shitstorm of a mess. The fans have seen and heard players and managers spouting the same old shit but also producing the same old shit on match day. The fans have seen us being talked about week after week whilst being in the premier league to once again becoming insignificant in the football world. All of this has happened while we have been the richest we have ever been. It’s incompetence, it’s unforgivable and our fans have every right to voice displeasure. I would give our fans 10/10. Our patience is to be commended, our loyalty to be commended. If the multi millionaire employees of SCFC did their jobs properly then we wouldn’t be talking about our fans. It is they who have let the club down and certainly not the fans. I’m proud to be a Stoke fan, proud to be part of the 28,000 fans that go to games and proud to be associated with the thousands of other Stoke fans around the world. Shame. Now imagine how you would feel if it was your money that had been wasted.
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Post by Gods on Feb 10, 2019 11:38:16 GMT
There's not even any real anger, most folks are just punch drunk I think.
I suppose that's what having your arse served up on a plate each week does to you.
It isn't helping that results are actually getting worse from manager to manager.
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Post by Godo on Feb 10, 2019 11:43:26 GMT
Yes 2 from me too.
I blame social media. They are like melodramatic 14 year old girls exaggerating every little fault and just waiting for their "OMG" moment.
One of the most solid performance by a back 4 in a Stoke shirt in the last 18 months (Edwards being exposed first half aside); a manager trying to find 11 players from our woeful squad who will perform; trying to accommodate a #10 so we can be more of threat in the opposition half and yesterday making a solid top 4 side play with 8 men behind the ball and to resort to gamesmanship but hey let's boo them because that's bound to improve things.
This is a team that under Hughes in the last 18 mths of his tenure looked like we were going to concede every time a straightforward ball came into our box, the same teams who under Lambert couldn't cross the half way line and the same team who under Rowett were so shit scared to give the ball away - because they knew our circus clown back 4 of Martina, Pieters, Shawcross and Williams would then most likely give away a very easy goal - only passed backwards or sideways. People like Batth must be wondering what a pathetic bunch of fans they've signed up for. Grow up, man up, learn a bit about the game and realise just what a massive job Jones has on his hands.
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Feb 10, 2019 11:47:19 GMT
Three years of garbage. Three years of watching the most wrteched group of players ever to don the shirt. How can the fans be criticised? It's been 155 years of garbage scattered with 3 or 4 bright spots. We've qualified to play in Europe 3 times .....that's an average of once every 50 years. Anyone signing up to support Stoke and expecting us to be pulling up trees, has no factual basis for their expectations and is bound to be disappointed. Yes, but for the money spent it’s quite unbelievable. Most of these players are not fit to wear the shirt and most people are getting really pissed off with them.
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Post by Gods on Feb 10, 2019 11:48:10 GMT
Godo, you do realise we are not in the Prem anymore, 17th in the Championship is far worse than relegated from the Prem by 3 points, we are far worse now than in Hughes time, we going downhill faster than a greased pig.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 10, 2019 12:04:07 GMT
Three years of garbage. Three years of watching the most wrteched group of players ever to don the shirt. How can the fans be criticised? Really?
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Post by felonious on Feb 10, 2019 12:46:16 GMT
Well, we rate the players and the manager, why not rate ourselves...if you dare! * if you were there 2* from me: 1 for the applause pre-match for Emiliano Sala and another for the applause on 28 mins for Rob The only Stoke player who had his name sung all game was Saido...sadly that was from the Baggies with a somewhat questionable last line Are we turning into what we despise the most...Arsenal? NJ has stated several times what he is all about, and called for patience whilst he gets his message through to the players. We all know that footballers aren't the sharpest tools in the box, so it WILL take time, and the manager WILL need to get rid of several in the summer, when he will hopefully recruit better than his most recent predecessors In the meantime, why don't we try and give the lads a bit of a lift? Too radical? 2 from me as well. Not a huge amount of help to the team or the new manager.
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 10, 2019 12:53:39 GMT
It's been 155 years of garbage scattered with 3 or 4 bright spots. We've qualified to play in Europe 3 times .....that's an average of once every 50 years. Anyone signing up to support Stoke and expecting us to be pulling up trees, has no factual basis for their expectations and is bound to be disappointed. Yes, but for the money spent it’s quite unbelievable. Most of these players are not fit to wear the shirt and most people are getting really pissed off with them. Totally agree, but they must be absolutely gutted!
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Post by dave1 on Feb 10, 2019 12:58:25 GMT
10 - anyone that turned up to watch that shit deserves a medal. Spot on. I'm a season ticket holder but stayed at home to watch it on tv.
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Post by Block 22 on Feb 10, 2019 12:58:52 GMT
This 'it's the fans fault' bullshit has got to stop. It's really not helpful or relevant. Indeed Sheikhy. The one time in the match that any player looked like he gave a shit (Allen aggressively but fairly challenging for the ball in the second half, right on the touch line in front of the Sentinel stand) saw the noise level increase a 100 fold but it soon died down again when normal service was resumed on the pitch. Why don’t you start watching UFC? Just because players aren’t flying into tackles like headless chickens doesn’t mean they aren’t trying, unless you have some hidden agenda of course. The only time we made any noise was to boo our own, embarrassing yet again.
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Post by Block 22 on Feb 10, 2019 13:00:47 GMT
Yes 2 from me too. I blame social media. They are like melodramatic 14 year old girls exaggerating every little fault and just waiting for their "OMG" moment.One of the most solid performance by a back 4 in a Stoke shirt in the last 18 months (Edwards being exposed first half aside); a manager trying to find 11 players from our woeful squad who will perform; trying to accommodate a #10 so we can be more of threat in the opposition half and yesterday making a solid top 4 side play with 8 men behind the ball and to resort to gamesmanship but hey let's boo them because that's bound to improve things. This is a team that under Hughes in the last 18 mths of his tenure looked like we were going to concede every time a straightforward ball came into our box, the same teams who under Lambert couldn't cross the half way line and the same team who under Rowett were so shit scared to give the ball away - because they knew our circus clown back 4 of Martina, Pieters, Shawcross and Williams would then most likely give away a very easy goal - only passed backwards or sideways. People like Batth must be wondering what a pathetic bunch of fans they've signed up for. Grow up, man up, learn a bit about the game and realise just what a massive job Jones has on his hands. This is what I’ve been trying to say but couldn’t find the words. Even the post match reaction, everything gets blown massively out of proportion. It’s embarrassing.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 10, 2019 13:03:24 GMT
If you think we are passionate give your head a wobble. We'd rather criticise than support and nowadays let referees get away with poor decisions and the oppostition waste time with not so much as a whimper. 28000 is more like 18000 at the game. If you want passionate look at Derby or Sunderland as just two examples of clubs which have suffered more than us yet turn up in greater numbers and give real vocal support. I'm sure there are lots more examples.
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Post by skelman on Feb 10, 2019 13:04:55 GMT
This 'it's the fans fault' bullshit has got to stop. It's really not helpful or relevant. But this constant slagging of the players and the manager is helpful? Especially as you of all people know that the real culprits for our current malaise are neither of those. Agreed, but some of those so called professional's want a rocket up their arse. Yesterday's goal was a well executed move straight off the training ground. It was also clearly signalled by the positions taken up by 5 West Brom players (2 on each of the extremes of the box and Gayle himself) giving them 2 clear options from the free kick. We didn't get anywhere near the contact points from the kick and were both late and facing the wrong way to either attack the ball or to challenge the players involved in both the build up and the final header. We have a really lazy attitude towards the game all over the pitch. There's lots of scurrying around from some but very little play with a real purpose. Yes we know who are the real culprits for this situation! I've just looked at my Stoke v Spurs team sheet for 12 May 2013 headed up with "CELEBRATING 150 YEARS OF GENUINE PRIDE'. Some of the problems were clear in the 2015/16 season and then the transfer team and senior management totally fcuked up and bottled it after three 9th place finishes. A combination of arrogance, ignorance and a lack of determination and a capacity to plan for the next level took over and the Stoke hierarchy totalled bottled it through the transfer policy leading to a complete loss of a Stoke identity. The supporters were split on Hughes appointment but yet again acted too late. He was probably right when he said 'Who else is going to do this job'? The board were too late replacing Steven Nzonzi, too late improving the stadium, too late in addressing the clear defensive issues, too late in addressing the problem of an ageing squad, too late in trying to address creativity and goal scoring issues but crucially they took their eyes off the successful Stoke formula and bottled it prior to the departure of Arnautovic and with awful recruitment. Unfortunately that weasel was right - 'the Club had showed no ambition' to move on and up. The stagnation was brief and the spiral down very rapid. The directors of our club placed the handbrake on and then applied the chains to drag us down. Hughes towards the end and each manager since has been faced with huge problems which have been entirely of the club's own making. The arrogance of senior managers thinking that £64m spent in the transfer market this summer/Jan would solve the toxic problems within our Club and that we could return to the PL at the first time of asking beggars belief! We are proud Stoke supporters. Where is the leadership, identity and collective spirit within our Club personnel?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 13:10:56 GMT
This 'it's the fans fault' bullshit has got to stop. It's really not helpful or relevant. It's the biggest load of nonsense of all of it. All this "he's inherited xyz" "It's not his team" - "its a shit show behind the scenes." The fans being accountable for the performance on the pitch is one of the single most stupid things I've witnessed on here and that includes grown men buying into the whole snippets of cryptic shite from Dave. The players owe good football to the fans and most of them don't give a fuck - see Berahnio, Clucas. (Erik is one of the few that had a bit of an idea of what the whole process means to the fans) But if they can't deliver that for whatever reason, they at least owe giving 100%. And if they don't deliver that, who the fuck is anyone to say the conduct of the fans is somehow part of/or contributing to poor performances. It's total rot. When players don't perform and don't give 100% they should be fucking skinned for it.
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Post by Block 22 on Feb 10, 2019 13:11:17 GMT
This 'it's the fans fault' bullshit has got to stop. It's really not helpful or relevant. At no point in the OP were the fans blamed. It wasn’t the fans ‘fault’, as such. However, the point still stands that our fans are about as bad as they get. During the premier league era we have on boarded this bunch of idiots who have expectations beyond realism that can’t be arsed to get behind the team unless it’s to scold them. 6 games ago there was some unity and an agreement in the most part that we would all be patient, 6 games later the toys are out of the pram and dummies are being spat out left right and centre. Frank from Longton is spitting his pie all over the shop and spieling that we should have “gone for Rafa Benitez”. On top of that, some of the post match opinions are massively dramatised to portray something that was quite frankly so far from the truth that watching a Dwayne Johnson film would be more realistic, I can only assume this is the beer. The problems at the club are not the ‘fans fault’, it’s only you alluding to that. BUT SOME FANS NEED TO HAVE A LOOK AT THEMSELVES and at least make sure they are on planet earth before opening their mouths. Exhaling bullshit and negativity all over the shop is just embarrassing. It’s beyond comprehension, get a fucking grip of yourselves or stay at home.
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Post by christhepotter on Feb 10, 2019 13:14:52 GMT
10 - anyone that turned up to watch that shit deserves a medal. This
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