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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 23:28:52 GMT
Sorry e-Stoke, copied the wrong post! I think you know which one I am referring to. Haha yep. I’m in block 28 so got a good view...Woods was being a prick again and instead of clearing the ball properly kicked in 2 yards in front of himself to a West Brom player. He obviously fluffed it but he’s always pissing about just outside the box so got no time for it myself. He put unnecessary pressure on us all the time doing stupid things like that. I think it was Joe but then someone had to make a tackle they shouldn’t have had to make to stop the West Brom attack. I don’t remember a back pass in the build up. I could be wrong but pretty sure we’d just stopped one West Brom attack then in comes Woods to fuck it all up again.
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Post by spiderpuss on Feb 10, 2019 23:40:24 GMT
Not so worried about going backwards at times, sometimes yesterday it was embarrassing though. We would throw the ball in backwards WITHOUT even looking to see what was up front, not even a glance. There was one instance where we passed back when a more adventurous route was clearly to move it forwards. The overall play looks timid and nervous - understandable, the default position seems to move backwards at times. It's why we have so few shots goal.
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Post by NassauDave on Feb 11, 2019 1:16:01 GMT
Stop DOING back passes.
Boring as fuck.
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 11, 2019 5:10:56 GMT
BOOOOOOOOOOO. 😎
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 11, 2019 8:30:50 GMT
The main part of the problem for every single one of our players is a total lack of technical ability. Their inability to control a simple ball means they have to take 2 or 3 touches where 1 should suffice and therefore are closed down by the opposition leaving the only option as a pass back. They are almost all incapable of making the most simple passes which either put the recipient in immediate trouble, or they have to check back, or they simply just lose it. The corners and freekicks demonstrate this total lack of technical ability perfectly. Every single one of them was wank and missed by a country mile there intended target. You can run round all you like and line up in whatever pretty pattern you like but when you have so little actual footballing ability there is very little you can do with it. The futility of attempting to polish turds springs to mind. THIS, THIS AND THIS AGAIN!!!
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Feb 11, 2019 8:38:26 GMT
Rather than worrying about fans getting pissy with back passes, may be we should be more concerned about the reasons we seem to be forced back so often.
We're so rushed under any small bit of pressure it's ridiculous. It's like they're playing with a bomb that's about to go off. Woods literally couldn't get rid of it quick enough. Etebo had a mixed game saturday but when he actually got his head up and ran with it we looked miles better.
Also we need to find the right number 10. Ince just looks wasted there and I counted at least 5 great runs from Vokes that went completely unnoticed, often resulting in it being passed back through midfield to the back line.
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 11, 2019 19:37:30 GMT
While I agree that no Stoke fan should ever boo Stoke players, can someone please explain how the back pass that lead to the free kick that lead to their goal was a good move? So now we’re going back 3 passages of play to identify the cause of the goal? What about the fact that Hegazi, the biggest and slowest lump in their side was allowed to run, unchallenged without a stoke player within ten yards and head the ball back across goal? If you’re blaming the free kick for the result of that goal and totally ignoring the worse than school boy set piece defending then you really are clutching at straws to a new level. I’m not blaming anything, and certainly not excusing the ludicrous attempts at defending, merely pointing out that back passes often put our obviously weak defense under pressure resulting in problems. If Allen had tried to do something different and lost the ball, I bet the result would not have been the same.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 11, 2019 19:55:08 GMT
I said it when Hughes got appointed that stoke fans won't accept it. Football terms, they are just uneducated and generally thick.
Everton fans are the same. They watch other teams, top teams, pass backwards at times moving the ball around yet can't grasp it when we do it.
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 11, 2019 20:04:56 GMT
I said it when Hughes got appointed that stoke fans won't accept it. Football terms, they are just uneducated and generally thick. Everton fans are the same. They watch other teams, top teams, pass backwards at times moving the ball around yet can't grasp it when we do it. Errrr, you neglect to mention that other top teams have the players to do it, while our lot either pass back to Butland/Ryan who hoof it back to the opposition or they get themselves in trouble like on Saturday. For the first 2.5 years of Hughes’ tenure, there were not many complaints at all.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 11, 2019 20:27:25 GMT
I said it when Hughes got appointed that stoke fans won't accept it. Football terms, they are just uneducated and generally thick. Everton fans are the same. They watch other teams, top teams, pass backwards at times moving the ball around yet can't grasp it when we do it. Errrr, you neglect to mention that other top teams have the players to do it, while our lot either pass back to Butland/Ryan who hoof it back to the opposition or they get themselves in trouble like on Saturday. For the first 2.5 years of Hughes’ tenure, there were not many complaints at all. But it still comes back to thick as fuck football uneducated fans who don't realise that if that's how they're going to play then you've got to let them do it when playing with confidence and it looks like Brazil, and when they're not playing with confidence and they look like Barnet Everton fans didn't boo Martinez at first, but once the results don't come all you get is get it bloody forward, just whack it. The fans just have to let the players play. Biggest thing in football, more so than talent, is confidence.
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 11, 2019 20:51:55 GMT
Errrr, you neglect to mention that other top teams have the players to do it, while our lot either pass back to Butland/Ryan who hoof it back to the opposition or they get themselves in trouble like on Saturday. For the first 2.5 years of Hughes’ tenure, there were not many complaints at all. But it still comes back to thick as fuck football uneducated fans who don't realise that if that's how they're going to play then you've got to let them do it when playing with confidence and it looks like Brazil, and when they're not playing with confidence and they look like Barnet Everton fans didn't boo Martinez at first, but once the results don't come all you get is get it bloody forward, just whack it. The fans just have to let the players play. Biggest thing in football, more so than talent, is confidence. So keep doing the same thing over and over (ala MH) as opposed to saying “this is not working, let me try something different while I resolve the problem “?
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Post by sportsman on Feb 11, 2019 21:20:30 GMT
But it still comes back to thick as fuck football uneducated fans who don't realise that if that's how they're going to play then you've got to let them do it when playing with confidence and it looks like Brazil, and when they're not playing with confidence and they look like Barnet Everton fans didn't boo Martinez at first, but once the results don't come all you get is get it bloody forward, just whack it. The fans just have to let the players play. Biggest thing in football, more so than talent, is confidence. So keep doing the same thing over and over (ala MH) as opposed to saying “this is not working, let me try something different while I resolve the problem “? It's what man citeh and pep did in his first season. Yes, on completely different standards, but same principle. I don't think we're passing it around or back any more lately, I just think when results aren't coming fans want the ball forward as quick as possible.
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Post by yolande on Feb 11, 2019 21:23:50 GMT
Seems to me that you need some patience here Having watched Luton under NJ for the last three years I have often felt a bit frustrated by the passing back but came to see that it is all part of the plan to keep possession and wait for the chance by re cycling Ok there will be some mistakes along the way but practice makes perfect and brings confidence to always play your way out rather than route 1 Also related is the ability to pass your way out of tight situations I.e on the touch lines or in a corner, possession rather than the hoof The guy is a brilliant manager who will bring you the best type of football , just don’t get too sucked into the “ badge/ town/ club / fans blah blah nonsense
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 11, 2019 21:32:44 GMT
Seems to me that you need some patience here Having watched Luton under NJ for the last three years I have often felt a bit frustrated by the passing back but came to see that it is all part of the plan to keep possession and wait for the chance by re cycling Ok there will be some mistakes along the way but practice makes perfect and brings confidence to always play your way out rather than route 1 Also related is the ability to pass your way out of tight situations I.e on the touch lines or in a corner, possession rather than the hoof The guy is a brilliant manager who will bring you the best type of football , just don’t get too sucked into the “ badge/ town/ club / fans blah blah nonsense You won't get far on here talking common sense mate. Somebodies always got to be to blame and everyone is shit. It's the law.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 11, 2019 21:40:12 GMT
Stop DOING back passes. Boring as fuck. So just give the ball away then because nothings on
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 22:46:40 GMT
Seems to me that you need some patience here Having watched Luton under NJ for the last three years I have often felt a bit frustrated by the passing back but came to see that it is all part of the plan to keep possession and wait for the chance by re cycling Ok there will be some mistakes along the way but practice makes perfect and brings confidence to always play your way out rather than route 1 Also related is the ability to pass your way out of tight situations I.e on the touch lines or in a corner, possession rather than the hoof The guy is a brilliant manager who will bring you the best type of football , just don’t get too sucked into the “ badge/ town/ club / fans blah blah nonsense And yet he's just signed an old fashioned no.9, not exactly known for his technical ability is Vokes is he
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 23:06:27 GMT
Seems to me that you need some patience here Having watched Luton under NJ for the last three years I have often felt a bit frustrated by the passing back but came to see that it is all part of the plan to keep possession and wait for the chance by re cycling Ok there will be some mistakes along the way but practice makes perfect and brings confidence to always play your way out rather than route 1 Also related is the ability to pass your way out of tight situations I.e on the touch lines or in a corner, possession rather than the hoof The guy is a brilliant manager who will bring you the best type of football , just don’t get too sucked into the “ badge/ town/ club / fans blah blah nonsense Thank you for joining to try to talk some sense into our inpatient and ridiculous fan base!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 23:07:09 GMT
Seems to me that you need some patience here Having watched Luton under NJ for the last three years I have often felt a bit frustrated by the passing back but came to see that it is all part of the plan to keep possession and wait for the chance by re cycling Ok there will be some mistakes along the way but practice makes perfect and brings confidence to always play your way out rather than route 1 Also related is the ability to pass your way out of tight situations I.e on the touch lines or in a corner, possession rather than the hoof The guy is a brilliant manager who will bring you the best type of football , just don’t get too sucked into the “ badge/ town/ club / fans blah blah nonsense And yet he's just signed an old fashioned no.9, not exactly known for his technical ability is Vokes is he He said he wanted a target man
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Post by bertjones on Feb 12, 2019 0:26:31 GMT
Boo!
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Post by NassauDave on Feb 12, 2019 13:26:10 GMT
Stop DOING back passes. Boring as fuck. So just give the ball away then because nothings on Actually preferably pass it forwards. Simple.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 14:41:52 GMT
there are times when the best ball , is back towards your own goal
but we need to play with a lot more intensity ... and in football that means moving the ball quickly and getting forward quickly . Moving the ball sideways and backwards as little as possible
We need to be on the front foot a lot more , and get the ball forward a lot quicker .
It is not necessary to boo every back pass . But boy , this team need to be a lot braver on the ball and get it forward much quicker .
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Post by bloody56 on Feb 12, 2019 14:45:50 GMT
Can we boo the team for their lack of movement in front of the player with the ball, because that's generally the problem?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 14:49:27 GMT
Stop DOING back passes. Boring as fuck. So just give the ball away then because nothings on Not really ... in professional football ( as opposed to a kick about with your mates ) there is such a thing as ... knowing how to buy a yard ... knowing how to turn your man ... disguising the pass .
There far to little of this, playing like alan Hudson in a red and white shirt , or playing like howard kendall or kevin keen in a red white shirt , going on at the Bet 365 at the moment
And far too much of stoke players ( who are meant to be pros ) playing like me and my mates in a red and white shirt at the Bet 365 , going on , at the moment .
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 12, 2019 17:56:11 GMT
So just give the ball away then because nothings on Actually preferably pass it forwards. Simple. Even if nothings on?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 18:21:30 GMT
Actually preferably pass it forwards. Simple. Even if nothings on? Is that any worse than a Butland hit n hope ? 9 times out of 10 Butlands kicks go to an opposition player anyway
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Post by NassauDave on Feb 12, 2019 19:17:46 GMT
Is that any worse than a Butland hit n hope ? 9 times out of 10 Butlands kicks go to an opposition player anyway Probably 😉
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 14:28:27 GMT
Actually preferably pass it forwards. Simple. Even if nothings on? If nothing is on... Then you have to buy a yard... Or turn your man... Or play a disguised pass. Like what Alan Hudson / Howard kendal / Kevin keen / johnny eustace / Steven Nzonzi did. If you don't have these skills.. Then why are you playing in midfield for Stoke?
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Feb 13, 2019 17:09:25 GMT
Half the team can’t pass which is the crux of the problem- and a lot of our passing back ends with the ball going back to Butland, who guess what- has to hoof it. So should players attempt keepy-ups with players up there back side and attempt to hoof it backwards? Get s grip man SGS
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 18:03:01 GMT
Half the team can’t pass which is the crux of the problem- and a lot of our passing back ends with the ball going back to Butland, who guess what- has to hoof it. So should players attempt keepy-ups with players up there back side and attempt to hoof it backwards? Get s grip man SGS What a ridiculous thing to say
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 13, 2019 18:42:02 GMT
If nothing is on... Then you have to buy a yard... Or turn your man... Or play a disguised pass. Like what Alan Hudson / Howard kendal / Kevin keen / johnny eustace / Steven Nzonzi did. If you don't have these skills.. Then why are you playing in midfield for Stoke? Are you saying that N'Zonzi never played the ball to the keeper, its an option and a sensible one, why risk losing the ball when all you have to do is give it back to the keeper so he can start again, we saw woods try something different and it resulted in a free kick to the oppo in a dangerous position, if it goes back to the keeper that wouldn't have happened. Every team do it including the successful ones so why is it that its not good enough for Stoke.
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