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Post by partickpotter on Feb 5, 2019 23:08:41 GMT
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Feb 6, 2019 0:59:56 GMT
It's one of those occasions when I find myself agreeing with most of what John Barnes says, in him defending Liam Neeson.
To an extent, we grow up conditioned to feel a certain way depending on our experiences and what we see in the media/our social circle. I'm not sure if Liam Neeson should be praised for what he's said, but he shouldn't be vilified like he has. I bet most of us have some sort of unconscious bias. I became aware of a couple when I found myself disliking cricket players and actors from Coronation Street (and Port Vale players, too) before I knew anything else about them (nowhere near as extreme an example of course).
I was a kid when Nelson Mandela was still in prison, and a teen when apartheid was still a thing. Black people have been persecuted and propaganda spread about black people for a sad, long history. Certain wrong beliefs about black people were normalised and may take generations more to completely eradicate. And we still get the propaganda - the way Raheem Sterling has been treated by a certain tabloid could be an example. It's not like Northern Ireland was a diverse place when Liam Neeson was growing up. In that environment and full of anger, he realised his views were wrong (which again, I'll say I'm not sure he should be praised for, but he shouldn't be vilified).
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Post by starkiller on Feb 6, 2019 5:52:08 GMT
Mans friend gets raped by black man. Man seeks revenge against black men as retaliation. Man grows up and sees that this is just a reaction based on hurt and anger, and admits feeling ashamed of these thoughts. That’s it, complete fucking non-story if this came out back when the world wasn’t a politically correct, offended by everything, gender neutral mess. I imagine social media has already hung drawn and quartered him. They did worse for the phantom menace Since we are talking film, he was the stand out in the phantom menace, and seeing this aimless turd sequel trilogy makes you appreciate it more...
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Post by partickpotter on Feb 6, 2019 7:00:33 GMT
The way he tells the story - in that his second question of his friend after asking if she knew the attacker is "What colour were they", opens up a can of worms.
Why ask that - not what did he look like, was he young or old, tall, fat, short.
Answer - he wanted to know if the rapist was black.
After which he decided to go out looking for revenge on any black man.
This is undoubtedly racist.
He had a preconceived notion that a rapist would be black (hence the question ) and was content to treat all blacks as if they were rapists. It's horrendous.
But...
It was in the past. Neeson is full of remorse and acknowledges he was terribly wrong.
However, his apology only covers his lust for revenge. He failed to realise the racism in his thinking and action at the time - whether that racism was overt or subliminal we don't know. But it was unquestionably there.
IMO - he needs to address this point. Not if he is racist today, but the degree to which racism informed his behaviour back then.
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Post by Goonie on Feb 6, 2019 7:03:54 GMT
As Oscar Wilde once said: What is worse than being talked about? Not being talked about😁
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Post by Goonie on Feb 6, 2019 7:09:12 GMT
The way he tells the story - in that his second question of his friend after asking if she knew the attacker is "What colour were they", opens up a can of worms. Why ask that - not what did he look like, was he young or old, tall, fat, short. Answer - he wanted to know if the rapist was black. After which he decided to go out looking for revenge on any black man. This is undoubtedly racist. He had a preconceived notion that a rapist would be black (hence the question ) and was content to treat all blacks as if they were rapists. It's horrendous. But... It was in the past. Neeson is full of remorse and acknowledges he was terribly wrong. However, his apology only covers his lust for revenge. He failed to realise the racism in his thinking and action at the time - whether that racism was overt or subliminal we don't know. But it was unquestionably there. IMO - he needs to address this point. Not if he is racist today, but the degree to which racism informed his behaviour back then. Some very good points Partick: However I would hate to be held accountable for what I thought or did 30-40 years ago- personally I have changed and beyond recognition in some ways You're right in saying he needs to be held accountable for his beliefs now though. Either way his openness on the subject is ill-advised unless the profile of his new film was in the shitter before these comments
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 6, 2019 8:28:31 GMT
According some boke from Birmingham University what Neeson was actually trying to carry out was a lynching!
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Post by starkiller on Feb 6, 2019 8:42:04 GMT
Let's not discuss or debate anything ever again incase someone's 'ist/phobe' radar goes into meltdown, or you slightly deviate from established group think.
Seems to be the order of the day at universities where NPC protests and speaker bans are the norm.
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Post by chigstoke on Feb 6, 2019 8:44:10 GMT
They did worse for the phantom menace Since we are talking film, he was the stand out in the phantom menace, and seeing this aimless turd sequel trilogy makes you appreciate it more... You on about the new trilogy being an aimless turd or Eps 1,2 and 3? Force Awakens was decent enough but The Last Jedi was the pits, an awful film. However, I Think Rogue One is a fantastic film and the ending is good on leading into Episode IV. But I am saying all this as someone who isn't massively into star wars, so take my opinions with a huge pinch of salt!
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 6, 2019 8:51:46 GMT
The way he tells the story - in that his second question of his friend after asking if she knew the attacker is "What colour were they", opens up a can of worms. Why ask that - not what did he look like, was he young or old, tall, fat, short. Answer - he wanted to know if the rapist was black. After which he decided to go out looking for revenge on any black man. This is undoubtedly racist. He had a preconceived notion that a rapist would be black (hence the question ) and was content to treat all blacks as if they were rapists. It's horrendous. But... It was in the past. Neeson is full of remorse and acknowledges he was terribly wrong. However, his apology only covers his lust for revenge. He failed to realise the racism in his thinking and action at the time - whether that racism was overt or subliminal we don't know. But it was unquestionably there. IMO - he needs to address this point. Not if he is racist today, but the degree to which racism informed his behaviour back then. So if he’d of said what did he look like instead of what colour was he there’d of been nothing racist at all In it Would there have been as much outrage if he’d of said the guy was white and Catholic because he dropped his rosary He would of still be going out with the intention to kill I think not This comment is going to be a touch controversial Many ethnic minority’s would be far better if they stopped being victims of the past and start concentrating on the future
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