Venuzela

[boru]

What is going on

[mattyd]

Dunno...What is it...

[boru]

Venezuela

[sharpy]

Noisy fucking things, ruined the world cup in South Africa.

[trentvegas]

Its a complicated subject.

Venezuela really should be greatly wealthy, largest oil reserves in the world etc.

There are two narratives take your pick.

A. Socialist corruption caused by President Maduro and his party, crippling Venezuela. When the price of oil crashed Venezuela's Bolivar currency crashed with it. Hyper-inflation soon ensued and the Government have done little to nothing to help those in desperate need. The instability of that region of South America does'nt help either, drugs and currency consistently being shorted from border to border.

B. American imperialism. Venezuela remains one of South Americas last broadly socialist strongholds. America were always against Chavez's revolution and Maduro's main political pull is that he continues that legacy. The US being the super power it is can bend markets almost to its own will in some cases. Follow that with a host of sanctions that only allow you to trade with a handful of socialist allies. All conspiracy but Ecuador had a socialist, anti-capitalist if you will and they suffered similar currency and inflation issues.

Maybe a mixture of both but most people prefer one or the other, depending on their beliefs mostly.

Jonas.

[Boothen]

Fracas in Caracas.

[trentvegas]

Reports Trump wants to send troops there kind of points towards B.

What the fuck has it got to do with America?

[followyoudown]

Feb 3, 2019 19:44:01 GMT trentvegas said:

Reports Trump wants to send troops there kind of points towards B.

What the fuck has it got to do with America?

No the sanctions only came in in 2017, Hugo Chavez's daughter has amassed a fortune of $4.2 billion dollars.

Corrupt murderous bastards forcing millions of ordinary people to starve or flee the country.

[trentvegas]

Feb 3, 2019 19:47:32 GMT followyoudown said:

Feb 3, 2019 19:44:01 GMT trentvegas said:

Reports Trump wants to send troops there kind of points towards B.

What the fuck has it got to do with America?

No the sanctions only came in in 2017, Hugo Chavez's daughter has amassed a fortune of $4.2 billion dollars.

Corrupt murderous bastards forcing millions of ordinary people to starve or flee the country.

As I say, there are two narratives.

Regarding the sanctions, I was stating arguments and beliefs of both sides. Inflation was high anyway but not at the level it is now pre-sanctions though.

I agree regarding Chavez and 'The working class' revolution, it seems a common theme with these 'revolutions',

[shimmer]

It will never change the greed the corruption, it makes you sick really.

[wagsastokie]

True socialism in practice

Everyone is equal
It’s just that some are more equal than others

[followyoudown]

Feb 3, 2019 20:01:33 GMT wagsastokie said:

True socialism in practice

Everyone is equal
It’s just that some are more equal than others

The trouble with socialism is you always run out of cats and dogs to eat.....

[felonious]

Feb 3, 2019 20:29:49 GMT followyoudown said:

Feb 3, 2019 20:01:33 GMT wagsastokie said:

True socialism in practice

Everyone is equal
It’s just that some are more equal than others

The trouble with socialism is you always run out of cats and dogs to eat.....

This is why I've started feeding all the stray cats in the area just in case by some fluke we have a Corbynista regime

[bathstoke]

Feb 3, 2019 19:44:01 GMT trentvegas said:

Reports Trump wants to send troops there kind of points towards B.

What the fuck has it got to do with America?

Trump is a coward & a bully

[yeokel]

Did you see ‘Red Ken’ on This Week, er….. last week?

I normally quite like Red Ken Livingstone but must admit he was destroyed in this interview by Andrew Neil which was about Venezuela.
I ended up feeling a bit sorry for him but when all his facts seemed to come from the Venezuelan ambassador, and he appeared to have done no research in to the matter himself he should have seen what was coming.

Interview starts about 10 minutes in to the clip. Well worth watching.
BBC iPlayer Link

[wizzardofdribble]

Feb 4, 2019 10:49:52 GMT yeokel said:

Did you see ‘Red Ken’ on This Week, er….. last week?

I normally quite like Red Ken Livingstone but must admit he was destroyed in this interview by Andrew Neil which was about Venezuela.
I ended up feeling a bit sorry for him but when all his facts seemed to come from the Venezuelan ambassador, and he appeared to have done no research in to the matter himself he should have seen what was coming.

Interview starts about 10 minutes in to the clip. Well worth watching.
BBC iPlayer Link

Ken does get a bit of a pasting off Brillo Pad (for talking garbage) but I thought the best line in the programme was about President Macron..

'The best he can hope for is that his wife dies...it would boost his poll ratings.'

[followyoudown]

Feb 4, 2019 8:12:46 GMT bathstoke said:

Feb 3, 2019 19:44:01 GMT trentvegas said:

Reports Trump wants to send troops there kind of points towards B.

What the fuck has it got to do with America?

Trump is a coward & a bully

That may be true and he also has some dodgy links to Russia, however Maduro is disappearing his opponents, causing his people to flee or starve so in my opinion America is correct to apply pressure to force this dictator out.

[Goonie]

This explains a lot.....and in 15minutes or less



The New Age of Capitalism - South American Socialism - @bbcradio4 www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bjpplg

[Billybigbollox]

I’ve been there when Chavez was busy rigging his own election.
It’s a great place, ruined by corruption. The poverty is mind boggling considering their oil wealth.

[PotterLog]

[Bojan Mackey]

It sounds like Venezuela is in need of some freedom.


Yee haw!