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Post by kelw on Mar 3, 2019 14:54:35 GMT
I agree but Wimmer was known to be Mark Hughes’ decision as was Imbula. GR signed a load of useless players in the summer and they were his decision. And yet people blame the recruitment team and complain the manager should pick the players when the managers have been culpable for the fuck ups as well (or completely responsible). And then the conspiracy theories start that well maybe the manager was only allowed to choose that player or GR was allowed to spent tens of millions but not on a defender. And it all becomes a bit ridiculous. So whilst I agree there needs to be a proper look at recruitment (and I don’t think an ex agent should be in a job a proper scout should be doing) the never ending witch hunt on this board has got to stop. A series of colossal fuck ups have been made by a number of people over a number of years and we now are where we are. But if we get him off our books and get a sum to reinvest in less of a useless bell end over the summer then I will look at that as a positive for the future rather than dwell on the errors of the past. agreed, blaming Scholes & Cartwright for Hughes mistakes is just wrong however it wasn't Hughes who negotiated the sky high for Wimmer, that was Scholes True but when we don't pay for players fans complain. We were simply backing the manager, turns out his judgement was wrong. Can't blame Scholes for signing a player the manager wanted for a huge price.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 3, 2019 15:28:02 GMT
Hannover look great bets to get relegated.
Can't see Wimmer ending up there, even on a renegotiated deal if that happens.
And anyone associated with this defence isn't going to be in much demand elsewhere in the Bundesliga.
17 goals conceded in their last 5 and a half games.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 3, 2019 16:29:08 GMT
Kevin Wimmer's Hanover smashed 5-1 today I see.
Well done Kevin, you useless fat twat
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Post by lordb on Mar 3, 2019 16:31:07 GMT
agreed, blaming Scholes & Cartwright for Hughes mistakes is just wrong however it wasn't Hughes who negotiated the sky high for Wimmer, that was Scholes True but when we don't pay for players fans complain. We were simply backing the manager, turns out his judgement was wrong. Can't blame Scholes for signing a player the manager wanted for a huge price. I'll half agree with you. The fee wasn't huge until Scholes realised Pulis was keen, Scholes then did everything to ensure he best Pulis to the signing.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Mar 3, 2019 17:01:03 GMT
True but when we don't pay for players fans complain. We were simply backing the manager, turns out his judgement was wrong. Can't blame Scholes for signing a player the manager wanted for a huge price. I'll half agree with you. The fee wasn't huge until Scholes realised Pulis was keen, Scholes then did everything to ensure he best Pulis to the signing. I'm not saying you're wrong Lord, but again that's all assumptions isn't it.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 3, 2019 17:08:02 GMT
How do you even spend 18m on a player so shit. It took us ten years to get into that position to afford these fees only to spend 18m on Kevin wimmer
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 3, 2019 17:20:06 GMT
How do you even spend 18m on a player so shit. It took us ten years to get into that position to afford these fees only to spend 18m on Kevin wimmer It takes a special type of shit to spend a combined £50million on three players who are unlikely to ever play for us again for the length of their contracts, the Hughes legacy
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Post by stokefan1972 on Mar 3, 2019 17:22:26 GMT
How do you even spend 18m on a player so shit. It took us ten years to get into that position to afford these fees only to spend 18m on Kevin wimmer It takes a special type of shit to spend a combined £50million on three players who are unlikely to ever play for us again for the length of their contracts, the Hughes legacy why it was over three seasons Fulham spent £100 million in one window on crap
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 3, 2019 17:41:03 GMT
True but when we don't pay for players fans complain. We were simply backing the manager, turns out his judgement was wrong. Can't blame Scholes for signing a player the manager wanted for a huge price. I'll half agree with you. The fee wasn't huge until Scholes realised Pulis was keen, Scholes then did everything to ensure he best Pulis to the signing. Getting it guessed as ever.
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Post by felonious on Mar 3, 2019 17:55:26 GMT
Begs the question, what are we going to do about Kevin?
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Post by basingstokie on Mar 3, 2019 18:21:38 GMT
How do you even spend 18m on a player so shit. It took us ten years to get into that position to afford these fees only to spend 18m on Kevin wimmer It's a strange one, presumably the manager gives the negotiation team a name, but also a price range. When Spuds came back with 18 mil we should have said 'no thanks' and looked around for other targets. If we only had one target and were prepared to pay any price that is a) shit and b) asking to be bent over a barrel, especially if Levy is the seller
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 3, 2019 19:15:46 GMT
He’s even anchored Hannover to second from bottom the doughy fat bastard.
If you picked 10 posters from the board at random, at least 8 of them could absolutely rinse him.
He’s like a big fucking anchor made out of lard and debt.
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Post by chad on Mar 3, 2019 19:20:58 GMT
True but when we don't pay for players fans complain. We were simply backing the manager, turns out his judgement was wrong. Can't blame Scholes for signing a player the manager wanted for a huge price. I'll half agree with you. The fee wasn't huge until Scholes realised Pulis was keen, Scholes then did everything to ensure he best Pulis to the signing. Tony Pulis knows a good centre half. I’d be staggered if was the least bit interested in this clown.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 3, 2019 19:25:54 GMT
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Post by lordb on Mar 3, 2019 19:29:04 GMT
I'll half agree with you. The fee wasn't huge until Scholes realised Pulis was keen, Scholes then did everything to ensure he best Pulis to the signing. I'm not saying you're wrong Lord, but again that's all assumptions isn't it. Is it? We know that Albion were in for him We know Scholes hates Pulis We know Wimmers fee was much higher that firsr touted We absolutely know we paid way over the odds Open and shut case
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 3, 2019 19:33:02 GMT
Begs the question, what are we going to do about Kevin? Very literary
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 3, 2019 19:35:20 GMT
I'm not saying you're wrong Lord, but again that's all assumptions isn't it. Is it? We know that Albion were in for him We know Scholes hates Pulis We know Wimmers fee was much higher that firsr touted We absolutely know we paid way over the odds Open and shut case Lethal cocktail. Scholes and Hughes both potentially blinded by a desire to get one over Pulis. By the team they've woken from the daze, we're £30m down with Wimmer and Saido contracted until Doomsday!
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 3, 2019 19:35:47 GMT
Wimmer, Imbula and Berahino ......... total fucking madness.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 3, 2019 20:38:14 GMT
Wimmer, Imbula and Berahino ......... total fucking madness. And people expect Jones to put this recklessness right in half a dozen games.We are going to be stuck with this shite and more for a long time.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 3, 2019 20:43:01 GMT
Wimmer, Imbula and Berahino ......... total fucking madness. Mark Fuckin Hughes😡
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 3, 2019 20:44:33 GMT
They lost 5-1 again today, 3-0 the week before and 3-0 the week before that. Played 3, lost 3 and conceded 11 goals. If we could somehow give him away this summer to some unsuspecting club somewhere in the world it would be a major achievement.
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Post by lordb on Mar 3, 2019 22:35:03 GMT
If only Barry Fry was still in management.
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Post by jonnybravo on Mar 4, 2019 10:11:55 GMT
Wimmer has hardly played this season for hannover, I think he'd do a better job than Williams myself
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Post by AlliG on Mar 4, 2019 11:41:34 GMT
Wimmer has hardly played this season for hannover, I think he'd do a better job than Williams myself He has played 90 minutes in each of the last 3 games, where Hannover have conceded 11 goals. He might do a better job than Williams but only if that job was as a non-playing substitute.
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Post by jonnybravo on Mar 4, 2019 14:21:13 GMT
Wimmer has hardly played this season for hannover, I think he'd do a better job than Williams myself He has played 90 minutes in each of the last 3 games, where Hannover have conceded 11 goals. He might do a better job than Williams but only if that job was as a non-playing substitute. Last time I checked he'd only played about 5 games all season, not surprised they've let in that many goals if he's one of there main defenders
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Post by jzime on Mar 4, 2019 14:33:27 GMT
Begs the question, what are we going to do about Kevin? Hope and pray that he makes 24 league appearances for Hannover this season; they're reportedly obliged to sign him for £10m if he does*, and he's currently made 17. If he doesn't trigger that agreement, I don't know what we do. I guess we'll try to offload him (either to them or someone else), but we won't get £10m after he's been shite for two seasons. I imagine that getting him off the wage bill will be more important to Stoke than getting a big fee though? Seems to be how we approached the Choupo-Moting situation. *https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/kevin-wimmer-stoke-city-hannover-2544677
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 4, 2019 16:39:20 GMT
How do you even spend 18m on a player so shit. It took us ten years to get into that position to afford these fees only to spend 18m on Kevin wimmer It's a strange one, presumably the manager gives the negotiation team a name, but also a price range. When Spuds came back with 18 mil we should have said 'no thanks' and looked around for other targets. If we only had one target and were prepared to pay any price that is a) shit and b) asking to be bent over a barrel, especially if Levy is the seller I'm not sure it suggests we only had one target, it just shows Hughes still thought it was a good deal at 18mil which is madness.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Mar 4, 2019 16:59:38 GMT
Begs the question, what are we going to do about Kevin? Hope and pray that he makes 24 league appearances for Hannover this season; they're reportedly obliged to sign him for £10m if he does*, and he's currently made 17. If he doesn't trigger that agreement, I don't know what we do. I guess we'll try to offload him (either to them or someone else), but we won't get £10m after he's been shite for two seasons. I imagine that getting him off the wage bill will be more important to Stoke than getting a big fee though? Seems to be how we approached the Choupo-Moting situation. *https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/kevin-wimmer-stoke-city-hannover-2544677 It's nothing like the Choupo situation. He was free. We could have tried to get a fee for him but just offloaded his wages basically. With Wimmer we need some cash to soften the blow, but we will be throwing away millions. Likewise Imbula. You'd hope we might do better with N'Diaye.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 4, 2019 17:26:42 GMT
They lost 5-1 again today, 3-0 the week before and 3-0 the week before that. Played 3, lost 3 and conceded 11 goals. If we could somehow give him away this summer to some unsuspecting club somewhere in the world it would be a major achievement. There's nobody that daft!
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Post by ursemboys on Mar 4, 2019 17:34:10 GMT
I am pretty sure we have not spent 18million on Wimmer,,thought there was add ons that take it to 18 million which we will never pay .pretty sure I read it was 9million we paid then the rest on appearances etc .might have dreamt it but pretty sure I heard this somewhere, also I know a spurs fan who said we had a bargain for the price we paid .
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