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Post by serpico on Sept 7, 2019 13:54:58 GMT
Once you accept that wtc7 was a controlled demolition then you have to start accepting other things, like that the hijackers weren’t real, so how did the planes hit the towers, remote control ? That would require more conspirators to be involved... But passengers reported hijackers taking over the planes, did they voice morph their voices ? That would require even more people being involved.
Also why even bring wtc7 down ? Seems totally unnecessary for any conspirators.
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Post by teddytunstall on Sept 7, 2019 14:04:12 GMT
Also why even bring wtc7 down ? Seems totally unnecessary for any conspirators. "Also why even bring wtc7 down ? Seems totally unnecessary for any conspirators." - oh, seprico, you haven't done much research. Bulding 7 held all the evidence for a major, major fraud (massive systemic fraud that brought the whole financial system into question) case that the SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) was investigating. The big banks were in the frame and many top people would have been nailed if the enquiry had gone on - so the demolition of the builging destoyed the evidence. Very convenient. You obviously have a sharp mind to think of these things, so why not look deeper and get answers to the questions that occur to you. Best wishes, Teddy.
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Post by serpico on Sept 7, 2019 14:12:06 GMT
Also why even bring wtc7 down ? Seems totally unnecessary for any conspirators. "Also why even bring wtc7 down ? Seems totally unnecessary for any conspirators." - oh, seprico, you haven't done much research. Bulding 7 held all the evidence for a major, major fraud (massive systemic fraud that brought the whole financial system into question) case that the SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) was investigating. The big banks were in the frame and many top people would have been nailed if the enquiry had gone on - so the demolition of the builging destoyed the evidence. Very convenient. You obviously have a sharp mind to think of these things, so why not look deeper and get answers to the questions that occur to you. Best wishes, Teddy. Actually I have because I knew you’d come back with that answer, heard it before it just isn’t very credible. I’ve been down the 9/11 conspiracy rabbit hole, seen all the documentaries. I’m not saying we know the entire truth, just that most of these theories are bs. I’d say to you check out some of the debunking sites.
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Post by teddytunstall on Sept 7, 2019 14:13:37 GMT
Here's and event in the story of Sept 11th that happened not so long ago, but it was covered up by the MSM - "9/11: Finally the Truth Comes Out? ... it has taken 17 years for public pressure to bring about the first grand jury investigation of 9/11. Based on the work of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth led by Richard Gage, first responder and pilots organizations, books by David Ray Griffin and others, and eyewitness testimony, the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry has presented enough hard facts to the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York to force his compliance with the provisions of federal law that require the convening of a federal grand jury to investigate for the first time the attacks of September 11, 2001. www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.orgThis puts the US Justice (sic) Department in an extraordinary position. Every informed person is aware that elements of the US government were involved either in the perpetration of the 9/11 attacks or in a coverup of the attacks. There will be tremendous pressures on the US Attorney’s office to have the grand jury dismiss the evidence as an unpatriotic conspiracy theory or otherwise maneuver to discredit the evidence presented by the Lawyers’ Committee, or modify the official account without totally discrediting it. We can have hopes that the United States can establish the true story of its own Reichstag Fire, but I am not holding my breath that the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York can stand up to the powerful elements in the Deep State that perpetuated or covered up the 9/11 false flag attacks or that he is inclined to try. ..." www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/01/04/9-11-finally-the-truth-comes-out/
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Post by teddytunstall on Sept 7, 2019 14:15:42 GMT
This is by Paul Craig Roberts. He was in the US government and is an ex-editor of the Wall St Journal -. "... the official explanation of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory. Some Muslims, mainly Saudi Arabians, delivered the greatest humiliation to a superpower since David slew Goliath. They outsmarted all 17 US intelligence agencies and those of NATO and Israel, the National Security Council, the Transportation Safety Administration, Air Traffic Control, and Dick Cheney, hijacked four US airliners on one morning, brought down three World Trade Center skyscrapers, destroyed that part of the Pentagon where research was underway into the missing $2.3 trillion, and caused the morons in Washington to blame Afghanistan instead of Saudi Arabia. Clearly, the Saudia Arabians who humiliated Ameria were involved in a conspiracy to do so. Is it a believable conspiracy? The ability of a few young Muslim men to pull off such a feat is unbelievable. Such total failure of the US National Security State means that America was blindly vulnerable throughout the decades of Cold War with the Soviet Union. If such total failure of the National Security State had really occurred, the White House and Congress would have been screaming for an investigation. People would have been held accountable for the long chain of security failures that allowed the plot to succeed. Instead, no one was even reprimanded, and the White House resisted all efforts for an investigation for a year. Finally, to shut up the 9/11 families, a 9/11 Commission was convened. The commission duly wrote down the government’s story and that was the “investigation.” Moreover, there is no evidence to support the official conspiracy theory of 9/11. Indeed, all known evidence contradicts the official conspiracy theory. For example, it is a proven fact that Building 7 came down at freefall acceleration, which means it was wired for demolition. Why was it wired for demolition? There is no official answer to this question. It is the known evidence provided by scientists, architects, engineers, pilots, and the first responders who were in the twin towers and personally experienced the numerous explosions that brought down the towers that is described as a conspiracy theory. The CIA introduced the term “conspiracy theory” into public discourse as part of its action plan to discredit skeptics of the Warren Commission report on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Any explanation other than the one handed down, which is contradicted by all known evidence, was debunked as a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are the backbone of US foreign policy. For example, the George W. Bush regime was active in a conspiracy against Iraq and Saddam Hussein. The Bush regime created fake evidence of Iraqi “weapons of mass destruction,” sold the false story to a gullible world and used it to destroy Iraq and murder its leader. Similarly, Gaddafi was a victim of an Obama/Hillary conspiracy to destroy Libya and murder Gaddafi. Assad of Syria and Iran were slated for the same treatment until the Russians intervened. Currently, Washington is engaged in conspiracies against Russia, China, and Venezuela. Proclaiming a non-existent “Iranian threat,” Washington put US missiles on Russia’s border and used the “North Korean threat” to put missiles on China’s border. The democratically elected leader of Venezuela is said by Washington to be a dictator, and sanctions have been put on Venezuela to help the small Spanish elite through whom Washington has traditionally ruled South American countries pull off a coup and reestablish US control over Venezuela. Everyone is a threat: Venezuela, Yemen, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, tribes in Pakistan, Libya, Russia, China, North Korea, but never Washington. The greatest conspiracy theory of our time is that Americans are surrounded by foreign threats. We are not even safe from Venezuela. The New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, NPR, and the rest of the presstitutes are quick to debunk as conspiracy theories all explanations that differ from the explanations of the ruling interests that the presstitutes serve. Yet, as I write and for some nine months to date, the presstitute media has itself been promoting the conspiracy theory that Donald Trump was involved in a conspiracy with the president of Russia and Russian intelligence services to hack the US presidential election and place Trump, a Russian agent, in the White House. This conspiracy theory has no evidence whatsoever. It doesn’t need evidence, because it serves the interests of the military/security complex, the Democratic Party, the neoconservatives, and permits the presstitutes to show lavish devotion to their masters. By endless repetition a lie becomes truth. There is a conspiracy, and it is against the American people. Their jobs have been offshored in order to enrich the already rich. They have been forced into debt in a futile effort to maintain their living standards. Their effort to stem their decline by electing a president who spoke for them is being subverted before their eyes by an utterly corrupt media and ruling class. Sooner or later it will dawn on them that there is nothing they can do but violently revolt. Most likely, by the time they reach this conclusion it will be too late. Americans are very slow to escape from the false reality in which they live. Americans are a thoroughly brainwashed people who hold tightly to their false life within The Matrix. For the gullible and naive who have been brainwashed into believing that any explanation that differs from the officially-blessed one is a conspiracy theory, there are available online long lists of government conspiracies that succeeded in deceiving the people in order that the governments could achieve agendas that the people would have rejected. If liberty continues to exist on earth, it will not be in the Western world. It will be in Russia and China, countries that emerged out of the opposite and know the value of liberty, and it will be in those South American countries, such as Venezuela, Ecuador, and Bolivia that fight for their sovereignty against American oppression. Indeed, as historians unconcerned with their careers are beginning to write, the primary lesson in history is that governments deceive their peoples. Everywhere in the Western world, government is a conspiracy against the people. www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/08/25/conspiracy-theory/
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 7, 2019 14:25:28 GMT
One thing that is important in not falling for the ridiculous theories and help you to spot the ones that are truth is to read eminent and authoritative people like these - "The Official Story of the Collapse of WTC Building 7 Lies in Ruins A research team at the University of Alaska’s Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, led by Dr. Leroy Hulsey, Dr. Zhili Quan, and Professor Feng Xiao, Department of Civil Engineering, Nanjing University of Science and Technology, released yesterday for public comment their findings from a four-year study of the collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 on September 11, 2001. This is the first scientific investigation of the collapse of the building. Here is the conclusion: “The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, ..." www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/09/04/the-official-story-of-the-collapse-of-wtc-building-7-lies-in-ruins/There’s a clip on YouTube of a guy walking away from the building and he says “keep an eye on that building, it’ll be coming down soon” ... I think they knew it was going to collapse, there was a big gauge down the south side of the building where the wtc had fallen into it. If it was controlled demolition it would have taken weeks to wire it up by a team of demolition experts, nobody noticed this ? May be worth looking into the Israeli 'student' art project that had an office and various contraptions to hang out the windows etc. There is no doubt it was an inside job which worked on many levels but mainly served as a symbolic distraction for the Pentagon hit. Those doing some budgetary examinations were offed. Them planes have plastic nose cones, not designed to be battering rams. They weren't involved. The whole air traffic control, mock exercises etc on the day is obfuscation of the highest order. As an incriminating Terrorist passport gently {in tact} flutters into the arms of a cop. The only folk involved in conspiracies as far as I'm concerned are the cabalistic governments. Feigning emnity to get the masses at one another's throats.
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Post by teddytunstall on Sept 7, 2019 14:31:44 GMT
I don't know how you can say "isn’t very credible" serpico.
The address of the SEC office is on record - in WTC7. There is no doubt about that, and that fact that the investigation was under way was also on official record.
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Post by serpico on Sept 7, 2019 14:35:51 GMT
There’s a clip on YouTube of a guy walking away from the building and he says “keep an eye on that building, it’ll be coming down soon” ... I think they knew it was going to collapse, there was a big gauge down the south side of the building where the wtc had fallen into it. If it was controlled demolition it would have taken weeks to wire it up by a team of demolition experts, nobody noticed this ? May be worth looking into the Israeli 'student' art project that had an office and various contraptions to hang out the windows etc. There is no doubt it was an inside job which worked on many levels but mainly served as a symbolic distraction for the Pentagon hit. Those doing some budgetary examinations were offed. Them planes have plastic nose cones, not designed to be battering rams. They weren't involved. The whole air traffic control, mock exercises etc on the day is obfuscation of the highest order. As an incriminating Terrorist passport gently {in tact} flutters into the arms of a cop. The only folk involved in conspiracies as far as I'm concerned are the cabalistic governments. Feigning emnity to get the masses at one another's throats. So what hit the wtc towers ?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 7, 2019 15:15:47 GMT
May be worth looking into the Israeli 'student' art project that had an office and various contraptions to hang out the windows etc. There is no doubt it was an inside job which worked on many levels but mainly served as a symbolic distraction for the Pentagon hit. Those doing some budgetary examinations were offed. Them planes have plastic nose cones, not designed to be battering rams. They weren't involved. The whole air traffic control, mock exercises etc on the day is obfuscation of the highest order. As an incriminating Terrorist passport gently {in tact} flutters into the arms of a cop. The only folk involved in conspiracies as far as I'm concerned are the cabalistic governments. Feigning emnity to get the masses at one another's throats. So what hit the wtc towers ? Couldn't say for sure. On telly it looked a bit like planes until you watch some of the approach and impact footage now available. Initial witnesses not on controlled media talked of 'bombs' inside. Which seems to match the collapse. Whatever happened planes wouldn't cause such metal melting temps. Could it have been an armed drone, some funky military laser/microwave tech? It created the public outrage and impetus necessary for the consequent fake war in the Middle East. I could be wrong, but doubt it.
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Post by musik on Sept 7, 2019 15:32:42 GMT
So what hit the wtc towers ? Couldn't say for sure. On telly it looked a bit like planes until you watch some of the approach and impact footage now available. Initial witnesses not on controlled media talked of 'bombs' inside. Which seems to match the collapse. Whatever happened planes wouldn't cause such metal melting temps. Could it have been an armed drone, some funky military laser/microwave tech? It created the public outrage and impetus necessary for the consequent fake war in the Middle East. I could be wrong, but doubt it. Ufos? Didn't they find the two planes?
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Post by serpico on Sept 7, 2019 15:46:13 GMT
So what hit the wtc towers ? Couldn't say for sure. On telly it looked a bit like planes until you watch some of the approach and impact footage now available. Initial witnesses not on controlled media talked of 'bombs' inside. Which seems to match the collapse. Whatever happened planes wouldn't cause such metal melting temps. Could it have been an armed drone, some funky military laser/microwave tech? It created the public outrage and impetus necessary for the consequent fake war in the Middle East. I could be wrong, but doubt it. They wouldn’t have framed Saudis for the attack if it was a false flag, the US is always shielding the saudis from bad press, see my above post. It Didn’t need to melt the steel to initiate the collapse, just weaken it to some degree. The witnesses reported explosions, not bombs per-se, you’d expect explosions after an airplane laden with jet fuel just crashed in the side of the building at 500mph. I would encourage people to search out some of the debunking websites before blindly believing the conspiracy theories a I did for many years. There could be a scenario where a blind eye was turned to the attacks but even that is hard to imagine.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 7, 2019 15:59:17 GMT
This is by Paul Craig Roberts. He was in the US government and is an ex-editor of the Wall St Journal -. "... the official explanation of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory. Some Muslims, mainly Saudi Arabians, delivered the greatest humiliation to a superpower since David slew Goliath. They outsmarted all 17 US intelligence agencies and those of NATO and Israel, the National Security Council, the Transportation Safety Administration, Air Traffic Control, and Dick Cheney, hijacked four US airliners on one morning, brought down three World Trade Center skyscrapers, destroyed that part of the Pentagon where research was underway into the missing $2.3 trillion, and caused the morons in Washington to blame Afghanistan instead of Saudi Arabia. Clearly, the Saudia Arabians who humiliated Ameria were involved in a conspiracy to do so. Is it a believable conspiracy? The ability of a few young Muslim men to pull off such a feat is unbelievable. Such total failure of the US National Security State means that America was blindly vulnerable throughout the decades of Cold War with the Soviet Union. If such total failure of the National Security State had really occurred, the White House and Congress would have been screaming for an investigation. People would have been held accountable for the long chain of security failures that allowed the plot to succeed. Instead, no one was even reprimanded, and the White House resisted all efforts for an investigation for a year. Finally, to shut up the 9/11 families, a 9/11 Commission was convened. The commission duly wrote down the government’s story and that was the “investigation.” Moreover, there is no evidence to support the official conspiracy theory of 9/11. Indeed, all known evidence contradicts the official conspiracy theory. For example, it is a proven fact that Building 7 came down at freefall acceleration, which means it was wired for demolition. Why was it wired for demolition? There is no official answer to this question. It is the known evidence provided by scientists, architects, engineers, pilots, and the first responders who were in the twin towers and personally experienced the numerous explosions that brought down the towers that is described as a conspiracy theory. The CIA introduced the term “conspiracy theory” into public discourse as part of its action plan to discredit skeptics of the Warren Commission report on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Any explanation other than the one handed down, which is contradicted by all known evidence, was debunked as a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are the backbone of US foreign policy. For example, the George W. Bush regime was active in a conspiracy against Iraq and Saddam Hussein. The Bush regime created fake evidence of Iraqi “weapons of mass destruction,” sold the false story to a gullible world and used it to destroy Iraq and murder its leader. Similarly, Gaddafi was a victim of an Obama/Hillary conspiracy to destroy Libya and murder Gaddafi. Assad of Syria and Iran were slated for the same treatment until the Russians intervened. Currently, Washington is engaged in conspiracies against Russia, China, and Venezuela. Proclaiming a non-existent “Iranian threat,” Washington put US missiles on Russia’s border and used the “North Korean threat” to put missiles on China’s border. The democratically elected leader of Venezuela is said by Washington to be a dictator, and sanctions have been put on Venezuela to help the small Spanish elite through whom Washington has traditionally ruled South American countries pull off a coup and reestablish US control over Venezuela. Everyone is a threat: Venezuela, Yemen, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, tribes in Pakistan, Libya, Russia, China, North Korea, but never Washington. The greatest conspiracy theory of our time is that Americans are surrounded by foreign threats. We are not even safe from Venezuela. The New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, NPR, and the rest of the presstitutes are quick to debunk as conspiracy theories all explanations that differ from the explanations of the ruling interests that the presstitutes serve. Yet, as I write and for some nine months to date, the presstitute media has itself been promoting the conspiracy theory that Donald Trump was involved in a conspiracy with the president of Russia and Russian intelligence services to hack the US presidential election and place Trump, a Russian agent, in the White House. This conspiracy theory has no evidence whatsoever. It doesn’t need evidence, because it serves the interests of the military/security complex, the Democratic Party, the neoconservatives, and permits the presstitutes to show lavish devotion to their masters. By endless repetition a lie becomes truth. There is a conspiracy, and it is against the American people. Their jobs have been offshored in order to enrich the already rich. They have been forced into debt in a futile effort to maintain their living standards. Their effort to stem their decline by electing a president who spoke for them is being subverted before their eyes by an utterly corrupt media and ruling class. Sooner or later it will dawn on them that there is nothing they can do but violently revolt. Most likely, by the time they reach this conclusion it will be too late. Americans are very slow to escape from the false reality in which they live. Americans are a thoroughly brainwashed people who hold tightly to their false life within The Matrix. For the gullible and naive who have been brainwashed into believing that any explanation that differs from the officially-blessed one is a conspiracy theory, there are available online long lists of government conspiracies that succeeded in deceiving the people in order that the governments could achieve agendas that the people would have rejected. If liberty continues to exist on earth, it will not be in the Western world. It will be in Russia and China, countries that emerged out of the opposite and know the value of liberty, and it will be in those South American countries, such as Venezuela, Ecuador, and Bolivia that fight for their sovereignty against American oppression. Indeed, as historians unconcerned with their careers are beginning to write, the primary lesson in history is that governments deceive their peoples. Everywhere in the Western world, government is a conspiracy against the people. www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/08/25/conspiracy-theory/So are you saying that people who believe in conspiracy theories are not brainwashed?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 7, 2019 15:59:58 GMT
Couldn't say for sure. On telly it looked a bit like planes until you watch some of the approach and impact footage now available. Initial witnesses not on controlled media talked of 'bombs' inside. Which seems to match the collapse. Whatever happened planes wouldn't cause such metal melting temps. Could it have been an armed drone, some funky military laser/microwave tech? It created the public outrage and impetus necessary for the consequent fake war in the Middle East. I could be wrong, but doubt it. Ufos? Didn't they find the two planes? No. An engine some distance away. No wreckage at all at the Pentagon. And building 7 just fell anyway, sort of out of sympathy. Rockerfella buildings not built to last in 1968 but insured to the hilt {just before the catastophe, 33 years later}. Isis... Twin Towers... 911... it's acting out Egyptian myth, playing with everyone's plonker. Money making, fear creating , war mongering, myth fulfilling nonsense. But it's deadly serious, there are massive casualties and fatalities from these set-ups. They're all heavily encoded {and signposted} if you care to unpick it.
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Post by serpico on Sept 7, 2019 16:03:57 GMT
I think the Israeli spy network and the Saudi connection to the hijackers is where the real explosive 9/11 story lies. I think those Israelis were probably shadowing the hijackers (maybe with US consent) and knew about the plot and didn’t relay it to the US, hence why they were celebrating after the first plane hit (how did they know it wasn’t an accident?) hence the big cover up and classifying of info on those Israelis, imagine the embarrassment! Attachment Deleted
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 7, 2019 16:07:13 GMT
Couldn't say for sure. On telly it looked a bit like planes until you watch some of the approach and impact footage now available. Initial witnesses not on controlled media talked of 'bombs' inside. Which seems to match the collapse. Whatever happened planes wouldn't cause such metal melting temps. Could it have been an armed drone, some funky military laser/microwave tech? It created the public outrage and impetus necessary for the consequent fake war in the Middle East. I could be wrong, but doubt it. They wouldn’t have framed Saudis for the attack if it was a false flag, the US is always shielding the saudis from bad press, see my above post. It Didn’t need to melt the steel to initiate the collapse, just weaken it to some degree. The witnesses reported explosions, not bombs per-se, you’d expect explosions after an airplane laden with jet fuel just crashed in the side of the building at 500mph. I would encourage people to search out some of the debunking websites before blindly believing the conspiracy theories a I did for many years. There could be a scenario where a blind eye was turned to the attacks but even that is hard to imagine. No mate they chucked a body out to sea so no one could see, Bin Laden, say it with an English accent was a rubbish character. Saudi's carry on regardless. 911 is old hat, they did it and rejoiced whilst doing it. Bush reading stories about goats to kids while it unfolded. Really? I can't quite figure out yet whether Barbara Bush shagged Aleister Crowley, or was Aleister Crowley in drag. Either way the G. Bushes were likely moonchildren.
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Post by musik on Sept 7, 2019 16:19:14 GMT
Ufos? Didn't they find the two planes? No. An engine some distance away. No wreckage at all at the Pentagon. And building 7 just fell anyway, sort of out of sympathy. 🤔 So those (almost everyone) who claim there were two planes, do they say the planes simply flew away afterwards? I must admit I haven't followed this.
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Post by serpico on Sept 7, 2019 18:25:20 GMT
Ufos? Didn't they find the two planes? No. An engine some distance away. No wreckage at all at the Pentagon. And building 7 just fell anyway, sort of out of sympathy. Rockerfella buildings not built to last in 1968 but insured to the hilt {just before the catastophe, 33 years later}. Isis... Twin Towers... 911... it's acting out Egyptian myth, playing with everyone's plonker. Money making, fear creating , war mongering, myth fulfilling nonsense. But it's deadly serious, there are massive casualties and fatalities from these set-ups. They're all heavily encoded {and signposted} if you care to unpick it. Plenty of wreckage at the pentagon, just do a simple google image search. I suppose it was all planted ? .. that’s the bueaty of being a truther, anything that contradicts the conspiracy can be simply discarded as “planted” ... like the phone calls from the planes, they put a massive hole in the conspiracy theory so of course, they must be faked.
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Post by teddytunstall on Sept 7, 2019 19:29:02 GMT
The best people to listen to about the collapse of the buildings are more than 3,000 highly qualified and eminent architects and engineers - Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth www.ae911truth.org/SCOTT GRAINGER, F.SFPE Fire Protection Engineer "All three collapses were very uniform in nature. Natural collapses due to unplanned events are not uniform." OSWALD RENDON-HERRERO, PH.D. Forensic Engineer “Building 7 came down very smoothly. NIST tried to prove the ridiculous theory that this was started by one column.” ROLAND ANGLE, C.E. Civil Engineer "The official explanation of the failures defies known scientific methods of analysis and is untenable in the face of logical investigation." These are not idoitic mouthpieces, they are people who know about buildings.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 7, 2019 19:48:03 GMT
No. An engine some distance away. No wreckage at all at the Pentagon. And building 7 just fell anyway, sort of out of sympathy. Rockerfella buildings not built to last in 1968 but insured to the hilt {just before the catastophe, 33 years later}. Isis... Twin Towers... 911... it's acting out Egyptian myth, playing with everyone's plonker. Money making, fear creating , war mongering, myth fulfilling nonsense. But it's deadly serious, there are massive casualties and fatalities from these set-ups. They're all heavily encoded {and signposted} if you care to unpick it. Plenty of wreckage at the pentagon, just do a simple google image search. I suppose it was all planted ? .. that’s the bueaty of being a truther, anything that contradicts the conspiracy can be simply discarded as “planted” ... like the phone calls from the planes, they put a massive hole in the conspiracy theory so of course, they must be faked. Yeah. There are shills who chuck in spurious stuff too. I just follow me instincts, sense of the bigger picture etc. Not trying to convince you, just my perspective on it, from thorough research.
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Post by serpico on Sept 7, 2019 19:53:18 GMT
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Post by serpico on Sept 7, 2019 20:01:44 GMT
The best people to listen to about the collapse of the buildings are more than 3,000 highly qualified and eminent architects and engineers - Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth www.ae911truth.org/SCOTT GRAINGER, F.SFPE Fire Protection Engineer "All three collapses were very uniform in nature. Natural collapses due to unplanned events are not uniform." OSWALD RENDON-HERRERO, PH.D. Forensic Engineer “Building 7 came down very smoothly. NIST tried to prove the ridiculous theory that this was started by one column.” ROLAND ANGLE, C.E. Civil Engineer "The official explanation of the failures defies known scientific methods of analysis and is untenable in the face of logical investigation." These are not idoitic mouthpieces, they are people who know about buildings. As far as I’m aware non of these people have had their work go through a peer review process ?
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Post by serpico on Sept 7, 2019 20:25:09 GMT
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 7, 2019 21:45:22 GMT
Very suggestible, 'the following pictures show...' show fuck all but some cut up shots. I shouldn't have to point this stuff out. Look at it, slowly if necessary. Fake.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 7, 2019 22:10:31 GMT
No. An engine some distance away. No wreckage at all at the Pentagon. And building 7 just fell anyway, sort of out of sympathy. Rockerfella buildings not built to last in 1968 but insured to the hilt {just before the catastophe, 33 years later}. Isis... Twin Towers... 911... it's acting out Egyptian myth, playing with everyone's plonker. Money making, fear creating , war mongering, myth fulfilling nonsense. But it's deadly serious, there are massive casualties and fatalities from these set-ups. They're all heavily encoded {and signposted} if you care to unpick it. Plenty of wreckage at the pentagon, just do a simple google image search. I suppose it was all planted ? .. that’s the bueaty of being a truther, anything that contradicts the conspiracy can be simply discarded as “planted” ... like the phone calls from the planes, they put a massive hole in the conspiracy theory so of course, they must be faked. The pentagon crash is easily sorted if they release some images that show a plane - however, do they think by releasing those stills from the security box help perpetuate the myth (similar to what is potentially going on at Area 51 & that they're only testing new warfare?) For me the biggest cover up with 9/11 is what the American government actually knew and were told before it happened.
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Post by serpico on Sept 7, 2019 22:22:46 GMT
Plenty of wreckage at the pentagon, just do a simple google image search. I suppose it was all planted ? .. that’s the bueaty of being a truther, anything that contradicts the conspiracy can be simply discarded as “planted” ... like the phone calls from the planes, they put a massive hole in the conspiracy theory so of course, they must be faked. The pentagon crash is easily sorted if they release some images that show a plane - however, do they think by releasing those stills from the security box help perpetuate the myth (similar to what is potentially going on at Area 51 & that they're only testing new warfare?) For me the biggest cover up with 9/11 is what the American government actually knew and were told before it happened. But we saw two planes hit the wtc towers (unless you’re a proponent of the “no planes” theory) why is it so unbelievable that one hit the pentagon as well ? Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 7, 2019 22:32:50 GMT
The pentagon crash is easily sorted if they release some images that show a plane - however, do they think by releasing those stills from the security box help perpetuate the myth (similar to what is potentially going on at Area 51 & that they're only testing new warfare?) For me the biggest cover up with 9/11 is what the American government actually knew and were told before it happened. But we saw two planes hit the wtc towers (unless you’re a proponent of the “no planes” theory) why is it so unbelievable that one hit the pentagon as well ? Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"Basic Oatcake rules. Show us some Kilsheimer{!} shots please. Or it didn't happen {that way}. Spare the ones of him holding body parts, but you can describe those if they exist. Spare me all the gory. No phones or phone footage off that plane where body parts and cloth survived? etc etc.... Nah. No no plane at the Pentagram{sic}. And there is no such thing as a Blast Expert.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 7, 2019 22:50:40 GMT
The pentagon crash is easily sorted if they release some images that show a plane - however, do they think by releasing those stills from the security box help perpetuate the myth (similar to what is potentially going on at Area 51 & that they're only testing new warfare?) For me the biggest cover up with 9/11 is what the American government actually knew and were told before it happened. But we saw two planes hit the wtc towers (unless you’re a proponent of the “no planes” theory) why is it so unbelievable that one hit the pentagon as well ? Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"Apologies, were at cross hairs here. I believe planes hit the WTC. As I have said to you personally on this board - if a plane hit me, I'd fall over (but that was about 8-9 years ago. However my point above was in relation to what hit the pentagon, be it plane or missile - easily sorted if they just show one of the many video camera captures that they undoubtedly have. Be it form the pentagon, the petrol station down the road or something else. Was it definitely the plane that they say it was? Easily Sorted with a video as above. However, by not releasing clear evidence of the plane are they doing it to perpetuate the myth that it wasn't whichever flight to distract people. That's my point - the us government could answer that one dead easily (we've got footage of the twin towers planes) by releasing it but they don't. I'm not saying it wasn't a plane, merely querying if they're doing it for alterior motives.
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Post by serpico on Sept 7, 2019 23:02:17 GMT
But we saw two planes hit the wtc towers (unless you’re a proponent of the “no planes” theory) why is it so unbelievable that one hit the pentagon as well ? Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"Basic Oatcake rules. Show us some Kilsheimer{!} shots please. Or it didn't happen {that way}. Spare the ones of him holding body parts, but you can describe those if they exist. Spare me all the gory. No phones or phone footage off that plane where body parts and cloth survived? etc etc.... Nah. No no plane at the Pentagram{sic}. And there is no such thing as a Blast Expert. Phone footage ? This was 2001 before phone cameras. There’s ton of pictures of the plane debris, just google image search it. Lots of eyewitnesses who saw the wreckage inside the building as well.
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Post by serpico on Sept 7, 2019 23:11:35 GMT
But we saw two planes hit the wtc towers (unless you’re a proponent of the “no planes” theory) why is it so unbelievable that one hit the pentagon as well ? Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"Apologies, were at cross hairs here. I believe planes hit the WTC. As I have said to you personally on this board - if a plane hit me, I'd fall over (but that was about 8-9 years ago. However my point above was in relation to what hit the pentagon, be it plane or missile - easily sorted if they just show one of the many video camera captures that they undoubtedly have. Be it form the pentagon, the petrol station down the road or something else. Was it definitely the plane that they say it was? Easily Sorted with a video as above. However, by not releasing clear evidence of the plane are they doing it to perpetuate the myth that it wasn't whichever flight to distract people. That's my point - the us government could answer that one dead easily (we've got footage of the twin towers planes) by releasing it but they don't. I'm not saying it wasn't a plane, merely querying if they're doing it for alterior motives. Heh, I can remember your quip about falling over if a plane hit you 🙂 I think that might have been on the old board ? .. yep, Hands up, I used to be a truther, but as I say, the further I went with the theory the more ridiculous it becomes, the thing that made me change my mind on “inside job” theories was hearing David Ray griffin talk about the “fake phone calls from the planes”... it just smacks of someone trying desperately to keep the conspiracy theory alive even when faced with facts that contradict it.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 7, 2019 23:11:55 GMT
Basic Oatcake rules. Show us some Kilsheimer{!} shots please. Or it didn't happen {that way}. Spare the ones of him holding body parts, but you can describe those if they exist. Spare me all the gory. No phones or phone footage off that plane where body parts and cloth survived? etc etc.... Nah. No no plane at the Pentagram{sic}. And there is no such thing as a Blast Expert. Phone footage ? This was 2001 before phone cameras. There’s ton of pictures of the plane debris, just google image search it. Lots of eyewitnesses who saw the wreckage inside the building as well. It wasn't before phone cameras I don't think mate.. etc. As I said, 911 is in the past. They havn't actually got away with it, it seems to havs caused ripples within. Shit like the California Fires, Notre Dame, etc Trump declaring War in Space and stuff, are far more intersting now. And 5G and stuff.
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