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Post by bloodtypered on Jan 18, 2019 19:24:26 GMT
Not against it ...bu we have struggled to fill in for injuries in the past ...hopfully streamlining the team wont put us in that position again
Who should go?
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jan 18, 2019 19:29:39 GMT
Who should stay is more important.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 18, 2019 20:44:17 GMT
Shall I stay or shall I go
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Post by Godo on Jan 18, 2019 20:46:06 GMT
Yes definitely easier to list who should stay as it's only about 5 players. Streamline away, incl the quitters on loan.
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Post by andystokey on Jan 18, 2019 21:07:26 GMT
18 to 22 players max is more than enough if they are of the right quality.(Not quantity)
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 18, 2019 21:39:10 GMT
Shall I stay or shall I go But if they stay there maybe trouble, but then if they go?
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Post by thebet365 on Jan 18, 2019 21:54:17 GMT
Not against it ...bu we have struggled to fill in for injuries in the past ...hopfully streamlining the team wont put us in that position again Who should go? A good start would be, if they're 30 or over thanks for everything. Outside of the Premier league you simply can't have 2 1st teamers for every position.
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Post by Stoke711 on Jan 18, 2019 21:57:55 GMT
Who should stay is more important. If Jones could get the squad he wanted, I'd let them all go.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jan 18, 2019 21:58:37 GMT
It's a polite way of saying "getting rid of the absolute dregs stealing a living from Stoke City'. It's not taken long for him to realise we're overrun with garbage players on an absolute fortune despite contributing absolutely fuck all to the cause.
Get it fucking streamlined Nath.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 18, 2019 23:25:09 GMT
It's a polite way of saying "getting rid of the absolute dregs stealing a living from Stoke City'. It's not taken long for him to realise we're overrun with garbage players on an absolute fortune despite contributing absolutely fuck all to the cause. Get it fucking streamlined Nath. I agree, we’re in a different place from 3 years ago. Jones is right, we need fit, young, athletic players to reenergise the club. Much like Norwich, Leeds, Derby. Not a load of has Bernd thinking they’re doing us a favour.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 23:28:45 GMT
Shall I stay or shall I go But if they stay there maybe trouble, but then if they go? There may be a Clash of ideas about who should stay or who should go. I'll get me hat and coat.
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Post by bloodtypered on Jan 19, 2019 8:48:50 GMT
But if they stay there maybe trouble, but then if they go? There may be a Clash of ideas about who should stay or who should go. I'll get me hat and coat. Yes probably....just trust jones to get on with it, I say
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Post by crazyhorse on Jan 19, 2019 9:08:47 GMT
Where will they go? Maybe London's calling for one or two of them.
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Post by Gods on Jan 19, 2019 9:15:45 GMT
It's not possible is it? The last 3 managers have all had the same intent. The list is drawn up and the task gets lobbed over the fence to Scholesy and Carto since the manager has to get on with the day job of coaching and preparing the team. Bu the trouble is it can't be done. Simplistically the list is comprised of players we paid over the odds for, signed up on long term contracts and are exceedingly over paid to the point where no one else will match their wages even if we were to give them away. Buying players if you have budget is easy, selling players you yourself don't want is nigh on impossible. It's the reason the 3 most expensive player acquisitions in our history are still 'Stoke City players' but out on loan and not playing for Stoke City
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jan 19, 2019 9:29:28 GMT
Who should go: Martina Williams Haugaard McClean Crouch Diouf Fletcher Adam
I’d only keep Shawcross as backup because of his influence in the dressing room
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 19, 2019 9:29:56 GMT
I think the comment about streamlining is simply a veiled message that players will be leaving.
Jones has got the coaching/training support he has asked for, but when it comes to players he has probably been told the size of the wage bill and that it has to been reduced before new players are signed.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jan 19, 2019 9:30:08 GMT
Then the obvious Ndiaye Wimmer Imbula
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 19, 2019 9:33:33 GMT
Who should go: Martina Williams Haugaard McClean Crouch Diouf Fletcher Adam I’d only keep Shawcross as backup because of his influence in the dressing room It would be nice, I agree, but the reality is they are not the players other clubs would want to sign and they have contracts of employment with us. They can sit tight and most are of an age where they can see out their final playing years on good money from Stoke. I expect we will have to lose one or two of our prized players for Jones to get in the players he wants.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 9:35:14 GMT
I fear we will lose many games this season but, I think we will be the better for it in the next season or two
The owners need to have the bollocks to stick with their man and act on his plans quickly
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 19, 2019 9:37:37 GMT
It's not possible is it? The last 3 managers have all had the same intent. The list is drawn up and the task gets lobbed over the fence to Scholesy and Carto since the manager has to get on with the day job of coaching and preparing the team. Bu the trouble is it can't be done. Simplistically the list is comprised of players we paid over the odds for, signed up on long term contracts and are exceedingly over paid to the point where no one else will match their wages even if we were to give them away. Buying players if you have budget is easy, selling players you yourself don't want is nigh on impossible. It's the reason the 3 most expensive player acquisitions in our history are still 'Stoke City players' but out on loan and not playing for Stoke City What an absolutely spine chilling thought.
Once, maybe.
Twice, come on.
Third time unlucky?
PC & co must be absolutely convinced that the pizza dept are mere pen pushers in all of this and that the only villain was LMH, otherwise one or both couldn't possibly be here?
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Post by lordb on Jan 19, 2019 9:53:15 GMT
It's not possible is it? The last 3 managers have all had the same intent. The list is drawn up and the task gets lobbed over the fence to Scholesy and Carto since the manager has to get on with the day job of coaching and preparing the team. Bu the trouble is it can't be done. Simplistically the list is comprised of players we paid over the odds for, signed up on long term contracts and are exceedingly over paid to the point where no one else will match their wages even if we were to give them away. Buying players if you have budget is easy, selling players you yourself don't want is nigh on impossible. It's the reason the 3 most expensive player acquisitions in our history are still 'Stoke City players' but out on loan and not playing for Stoke City What an absolutely spine chilling thought.
Once, maybe.
Twice, come on.
Third time unlucky?
PC & co must be absolutely convinced that the pizza dept are mere pen pushers in all of this and that the only villain was LMH, otherwise one or both couldn't possibly be here? Absolutely they must think that and to be fair Wimmer,Imbula and Berahino were clearly Hughes signings. Ndiye clearly a Cartwright signing. The idea that Cartwright and Scholes drove these signings (although Scholes is responsible for the transfer free and contract negotiations) against Hughes wishes only for him to lose his job and them to keep theirs is ludicrous. Etebo aside it seems obvious that the summer signings were all Rowett signings. Scholes slow slow slow negotiating methods have to be questioned, as does the fees we paid (especially Wimmer) and Cartwright's cosy relationship with Beswicks doesn't sit right but to me the poor recruitment policy in the first instance can be put at Hughes door.
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Post by rorystowel on Jan 19, 2019 10:07:12 GMT
But if they stay there maybe trouble, but then if they go? There may be a Clash of ideas about who should stay or who should go. I'll get me hat and coat. If they don’t go we could end up in the mother of all relegation battles, Armagideon Time you could say.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 19, 2019 10:10:27 GMT
Who should go: Martina Williams Haugaard McClean Crouch Diouf Fletcher Adam I’d only keep Shawcross as backup because of his influence in the dressing room Where is the evidence that he has any positive influence in the dressing room?
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Post by rorystowel on Jan 19, 2019 10:15:18 GMT
Who should go: Martina Williams Haugaard McClean Crouch Diouf Fletcher Adam I’d only keep Shawcross as backup because of his influence in the dressing room Where is the evidence that he has any positive influence in the dressing room? Ryan has annoyed me this season. Not only has he played poorly but he often seems as disinterested as the rest of them. He seems to barely communicate with his team mates on the pitch so god only knows what influence he has off it. It was also blatantly obvious he was in a real mard when he was dropped to the bench by Rowett. Not the signs of a leader IMO.
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 19, 2019 10:24:31 GMT
Where will they go? Maybe London's calling for one or two of them. I really hope that today “they cut the crap” because “give em enough rope” and Leeds could implode, so I’m going for a last minute winner for Stoke and just watch the Boothen erupt into a “white riot “ !
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Post by bloodtypered on Jan 19, 2019 10:40:40 GMT
Some players you youve just got to get rid even if its a free, admit they got it wrong move them on.....start fresh?
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Post by march4 on Jan 19, 2019 10:42:53 GMT
When you look at how much our players have cost, how much we pay out in wages and the experience of playing at a higher level, we should be able to put out both an A team and a B team capable of getting promotion this season.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 19, 2019 10:49:10 GMT
I fear we will lose many games this season but, I think we will be the better for it in the next season or two The owners and fans need to have the bollocks to stick with their man and support/act on his plans quickly Small correction ...
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Post by Gods on Jan 19, 2019 10:49:43 GMT
Some players you youve just got to get rid even if its a free, admit they got it wrong move them on.....start fresh? Yes, but you can't necessarily even do that if you want to, that's the point. If we want to give away say Imbula or Wimmer for free but no one will match their wage they are perfectly entitled to just "sit" at Stoke City for the duration of their 5 year + contracts. I suppose you could pay off the remaining 3 years or whatever it is of their contracts in one big hit but at least by loaning them out you get some of their wages paid by someone else. It really has been an unmitigated disaster.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 19, 2019 10:52:37 GMT
Players who are on the definite 'keep' list:
Butland Edwards Shawcross (oooh, controversial) Pieters (ooooooh, really controversial) Diouf Ince Bojan Campbell
erm...I'm struggling for any more.
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