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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jan 16, 2019 9:51:14 GMT
I've read some of the threads on here and have to say that most of us seem to understand that it's going to take NJ some time to improve morale, fitness and get players to play his way. In my view, this is sensible, measured and shows patience...along with a bit of common sense. This is new era for Stoke and I truly believe that he will drive us forward but needs time.
Then I read some of the comments that have been made by the likes of Ibby (sorry to single him out)and am left wondering what on earth is going on in their head. Now I know that we have some on here that like their footy but have no idea about the game and that's probably only to be expected on a football forum but I'm left gobsmacked. Their support (or lack of it)and comments are beyond absurd. Their lack of patience and understanding on the task that NJ has ahead of him beggars belief. It's almost as if they hope NJ fails and we get relegated, which makes me wonder why they actually follow Stoke. I think we have some fans on here who are toxic and will do their utmost to ruin our club. I'm all for free speech but can't get my head around what makes them tick.
I'm going for a lie down.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jan 16, 2019 9:56:44 GMT
Don't worry mate, a lot of these idiots will disappear -as a few already have since we went down. They'll be back once NJ has got us back to the PL though
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Post by redstriper on Jan 16, 2019 9:57:24 GMT
You're right of course, some of the stuff on here beggars belief. What is interesting is that most people seem keen to cut NJ some slack, but even before his comments about the fans a lot of them never gave GR the same leeway.
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Post by GallysGuitar on Jan 16, 2019 10:00:30 GMT
Can you imagine how Pep's first season at Man. City would have gone down at Stoke if we had been in their position...
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Post by Stokie in Sydney on Jan 16, 2019 10:02:48 GMT
I've read some of the threads on here and have to say that most of us seem to understand that it's going to take NJ some time to improve morale, fitness and get players to play his way. In my view, this is sensible, measured and shows patience...along with a bit of common sense. This is new era for Stoke and I truly believe that he will drive us forward but needs time. Then I read some of the comments that have been made by the likes of Ibby (sorry to single him out)and am left wondering what on earth is going on in their head. Now I know that we have some on here that like their footy but have no idea about the game and that's probably only to be expected on a football forum but I'm left gobsmacked. Their support (or lack of it)and comments are beyond absurd. Their lack of patience and understanding on the task that NJ has ahead of him beggars belief. It's almost as if they hope NJ fails and we get relegated, which makes me wonder why they actually follow Stoke. I think we have some fans on here who are toxic and will do their utmost to ruin our club. I'm all for free speech but can't get my head around what makes them tick. I'm going for a lie down. The one thing about football is that everyone has an opinion, some valid, some not. Just because you have an opinion yourself, it doesn't make you right, neither does it make you wrong. It is just a dominant thought that has come to your head. Based on the last couple of games, we have played better football under Rowett than Jones. He comes across as being out of his depth. League 1 to the championship is a huge leap and I can't see how his approach of attacking football is going to work with this team. We need instant results but to change this team is going to take between 4 to 6 windows to get right. Are you prepared for 3 years of hell on earth and potentially getting relegated again? Respect other fans points of view.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jan 16, 2019 10:04:57 GMT
I've read some of the threads on here and have to say that most of us seem to understand that it's going to take NJ some time to improve morale, fitness and get players to play his way. In my view, this is sensible, measured and shows patience...along with a bit of common sense. This is new era for Stoke and I truly believe that he will drive us forward but needs time. Then I read some of the comments that have been made by the likes of Ibby (sorry to single him out)and am left wondering what on earth is going on in their head. Now I know that we have some on here that like their footy but have no idea about the game and that's probably only to be expected on a football forum but I'm left gobsmacked. Their support (or lack of it)and comments are beyond absurd. Their lack of patience and understanding on the task that NJ has ahead of him beggars belief. It's almost as if they hope NJ fails and we get relegated, which makes me wonder why they actually follow Stoke. I think we have some fans on here who are toxic and will do their utmost to ruin our club. I'm all for free speech but can't get my head around what makes them tick. I'm going for a lie down. The one thing about football is that everyone has an opinion, some valid, some not. Just because you have an opinion yourself, it doesn't make you right, neither does it make you wrong. It is just a dominant thought that has come to your head. Based on the last couple of games, we have played better football under Rowett than Jones. He comes across as being out of his depth. League 1 to the championship is a huge leap and I can't see how his approach of attacking football is going to work with this team. We need instant results but to change this team is going to take between 4 to 6 windows to get right. Are you prepared for 3 years of hell on earth and potentially getting relegated again? Respect other fans points of view. I respect your point of view, but how on earth can you form an opinion on NJ after 2 games?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 16, 2019 10:05:12 GMT
You're right of course, some of the stuff on here beggars belief. What is interesting is that most people seem keen to cut NJ some slack, but even before his comments about the fans a lot of them never gave GR the same leeway. NJ’s task is all the greater because of the mess Rowett made with significant funds to do so.
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Post by GallysGuitar on Jan 16, 2019 10:07:54 GMT
I've read some of the threads on here and have to say that most of us seem to understand that it's going to take NJ some time to improve morale, fitness and get players to play his way. In my view, this is sensible, measured and shows patience...along with a bit of common sense. This is new era for Stoke and I truly believe that he will drive us forward but needs time. Then I read some of the comments that have been made by the likes of Ibby (sorry to single him out)and am left wondering what on earth is going on in their head. Now I know that we have some on here that like their footy but have no idea about the game and that's probably only to be expected on a football forum but I'm left gobsmacked. Their support (or lack of it)and comments are beyond absurd. Their lack of patience and understanding on the task that NJ has ahead of him beggars belief. It's almost as if they hope NJ fails and we get relegated, which makes me wonder why they actually follow Stoke. I think we have some fans on here who are toxic and will do their utmost to ruin our club. I'm all for free speech but can't get my head around what makes them tick. I'm going for a lie down. The one thing about football is that everyone has an opinion, some valid, some not. Just because you have an opinion yourself, it doesn't make you right, neither does it make you wrong. It is just a dominant thought that has come to your head. Based on the last couple of games, we have played better football under Rowett than Jones. He comes across as being out of his depth. League 1 to the championship is a huge leap and I can't see how his approach of attacking football is going to work with this team. We need instant results but to change this team is going to take between 4 to 6 windows to get right. Are you prepared for 3 years of hell on earth and potentially getting relegated again? Respect other fans points of view. We scored one goal in Rowett's last four games in charge. This is still a Rowett side in transition. And one which is devoid of confidence. What you are watching now is not 'Jones' football'. It will be weeks, likely months before his philosophy is understood and implemented consistently.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 16, 2019 10:09:09 GMT
Can you imagine how Pep's first season at Man. City would have gone down at Stoke... Third in the Premier League, semi finals of the cup, scoring over a 100 goals in all competitions? I think he would have been reasonably popular at Stoke!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 10:11:52 GMT
I've read some of the threads on here and have to say that most of us seem to understand that it's going to take NJ some time to improve morale, fitness and get players to play his way. In my view, this is sensible, measured and shows patience...along with a bit of common sense. This is new era for Stoke and I truly believe that he will drive us forward but needs time. Then I read some of the comments that have been made by the likes of Ibby (sorry to single him out)and am left wondering what on earth is going on in their head. Now I know that we have some on here that like their footy but have no idea about the game and that's probably only to be expected on a football forum but I'm left gobsmacked. Their support (or lack of it)and comments are beyond absurd. Their lack of patience and understanding on the task that NJ has ahead of him beggars belief. It's almost as if they hope NJ fails and we get relegated, which makes me wonder why they actually follow Stoke. I think we have some fans on here who are toxic and will do their utmost to ruin our club. I'm all for free speech but can't get my head around what makes them tick. I'm going for a lie down. The one thing about football is that everyone has an opinion, some valid, some not. Just because you have an opinion yourself, it doesn't make you right, neither does it make you wrong. It is just a dominant thought that has come to your head. Based on the last couple of games, we have played better football under Rowett than Jones. He comes across as being out of his depth. League 1 to the championship is a huge leap and I can't see how his approach of attacking football is going to work with this team. We need instant results but to change this team is going to take between 4 to 6 windows to get right. Are you prepared for 3 years of hell on earth and potentially getting relegated again? Respect other fans points of view. I cannot respect that point of view.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 10:11:57 GMT
You're right of course, some of the stuff on here beggars belief. What is interesting is that most people seem keen to cut NJ some slack, but even before his comments about the fans a lot of them never gave GR the same leeway. NJ’s task is all the greater because of the mess Rowett made with significant funds to do so. They're totally different scenarios, based on manager walking in, timing and football philosophy. Rowett had the full summer. Jones is coming in mid season. I think it's a fair assumption that Jones won't have as much to spend as Rowett too.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 16, 2019 10:12:32 GMT
You're right of course, some of the stuff on here beggars belief. What is interesting is that most people seem keen to cut NJ some slack, but even before his comments about the fans a lot of them never gave GR the same leeway. NJ’s task is all the greater because of the mess Rowett made with significant funds to do so. Same coukld be said re Hughes for GR - essentially can we get over this blame whoever the manager is game and look at the underlying issues that have led to this with no change ANYWHERE else in the club
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 10:20:53 GMT
We can't keep blaming it all on all managers
It's current players mindset
If they are not on board with the manager then, sadly, we need to quickly cut ties
How?.....God only knows.
Over to you Nathan
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 16, 2019 10:23:36 GMT
We can't keep blaming it all on all managers It's current players mindset If they are not on board with the manager then, sadly, we need to quickly cut ties How?.....God only knows. Over to you Nathan Assuming he is in total control which I doubt very much
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Post by juiceandbits on Jan 16, 2019 10:25:31 GMT
NJ’s task is all the greater because of the mess Rowett made with significant funds to do so. They're totally different scenarios, based on manager walking in, timing and football philosophy. Rowett had the full summer. Jones is coming in mid season. I think it's a fair assumption that Jones won't have as much to spend as Rowett too. Even though Percy said there are significant funds available? I think he'll be backed and bring in 3 players this window.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 10:27:47 GMT
They're totally different scenarios, based on manager walking in, timing and football philosophy. Rowett had the full summer. Jones is coming in mid season. I think it's a fair assumption that Jones won't have as much to spend as Rowett too. Even though Percy said there are significant funds available? I think he'll be backed and bring in 3 players this window. We'll spend but I'm not convinced the board will commit another 40-46M plus loan fees for another manager, without significant outgoings.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 16, 2019 10:29:27 GMT
NJ’s task is all the greater because of the mess Rowett made with significant funds to do so. Same coukld be said re Hughes for GR - essentially can we get over this blame whoever the manager is game and look at the underlying issues that have led to this with no change ANYWHERE else in the club Not to anything like the same degree it couldn’t. Rowett had an entire pre-season and the largest budget in the Championship and the signings he’s made with it have made things worse. What’s daft to me is the idea that the underlying problems at the club absolve managers from ANY blame when so much of it can clearly be pointed at them as well as the pizza boys, owners and players. They pick the team, they choose the tactics, they make the subs and they dictate who they want to sign.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 10:30:21 GMT
We can't keep blaming it all on all managers It's current players mindset If they are not on board with the manager then, sadly, we need to quickly cut ties How?.....God only knows. Over to you Nathan Assuming he is in total control which I doubt very much You mean the board ? I've no doubt there's problems in that department but he can only concentrate and work with what he has
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Post by juiceandbits on Jan 16, 2019 10:30:37 GMT
Even though Percy said there are significant funds available? I think he'll be backed and bring in 3 players this window. We'll spend but I'm not convinced the board will commit another 40-46M plus loan fees for another manager, without significant outgoings. Oh agreed, that's fair.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 16, 2019 10:37:04 GMT
Same coukld be said re Hughes for GR - essentially can we get over this blame whoever the manager is game and look at the underlying issues that have led to this with no change ANYWHERE else in the club Not to anything like the same degree it couldn’t. Rowett had an entire pre-season and the largest budget in the Championship and the signings he’s made with it have made things worse. What’s daft to me is the idea that the underlying problems at the club absolve managers from ANY blame when so much of it can clearly be pointed at them as well as the pizza boys, owners and players. They pick the team, they choose the tactics, they make the subs and they dictate who they want to sign. It doesn't absolve them - it is just one big mess
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 16, 2019 11:05:37 GMT
Not to anything like the same degree it couldn’t. Rowett had an entire pre-season and the largest budget in the Championship and the signings he’s made with it have made things worse. What’s daft to me is the idea that the underlying problems at the club absolve managers from ANY blame when so much of it can clearly be pointed at them as well as the pizza boys, owners and players. They pick the team, they choose the tactics, they make the subs and they dictate who they want to sign. It doesn't absolve them - it is just one big mess So it isn’t a case of just blindly blaming the manager, they’ve all played a significant part in this shit sandwich as well.
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Post by westgatelakes on Jan 16, 2019 11:08:28 GMT
You're right of course, some of the stuff on here beggars belief. What is interesting is that most people seem keen to cut NJ some slack, but even before his comments about the fans a lot of them never gave GR the same leeway. When Jones has brought in his own players and possibly spent millions doing so is the time to start critically examining the manager especially if performances don`t improve. Rowett had leeway at the start of the season but then ruined his lot by wasting over £30m on crap signings and the adoption of tactics which were boring the life out of 20 odd thousand stokies every other weekend.
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Post by robrigo on Jan 16, 2019 11:13:03 GMT
Jones looks shattered and shell shocked already.
Its a massive job and we have to give him time.
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Post by lancer on Jan 16, 2019 11:19:59 GMT
I've read some of the threads on here and have to say that most of us seem to understand that it's going to take NJ some time to improve morale, fitness and get players to play his way. In my view, this is sensible, measured and shows patience...along with a bit of common sense. This is new era for Stoke and I truly believe that he will drive us forward but needs time. Then I read some of the comments that have been made by the likes of Ibby (sorry to single him out)and am left wondering what on earth is going on in their head. Now I know that we have some on here that like their footy but have no idea about the game and that's probably only to be expected on a football forum but I'm left gobsmacked. Their support (or lack of it)and comments are beyond absurd. Their lack of patience and understanding on the task that NJ has ahead of him beggars belief. It's almost as if they hope NJ fails and we get relegated, which makes me wonder why they actually follow Stoke. I think we have some fans on here who are toxic and will do their utmost to ruin our club. I'm all for free speech but can't get my head around what makes them tick. I'm going for a lie down. The beauty of football is partly the agony that goes with it. Good times, bad times are part of the game, always have been, always will be regardless of who the team is. I've grieved, fumed and ruminated about Stoke all my life, over 70 years now, but never thought of giving up on them. Football is however, a game that divides as well as unites fans. So be it. I've always been surrounded by supporters that were giving up watching Stoke but funnily enough, few of them actually did. Let them have their moan, they'll feel better as we all do after a moan. (thumbsup)Stoke are in a mess at the moment, but like I say, it's part of the game. Keep the faith, even when all around you are despairing.
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Post by JudgeMental on Jan 16, 2019 11:29:32 GMT
I've read some of the threads on here and have to say that most of us seem to understand that it's going to take NJ some time to improve morale, fitness and get players to play his way. In my view, this is sensible, measured and shows patience...along with a bit of common sense. This is new era for Stoke and I truly believe that he will drive us forward but needs time. Then I read some of the comments that have been made by the likes of Ibby (sorry to single him out)and am left wondering what on earth is going on in their head. Now I know that we have some on here that like their footy but have no idea about the game and that's probably only to be expected on a football forum but I'm left gobsmacked. Their support (or lack of it)and comments are beyond absurd. Their lack of patience and understanding on the task that NJ has ahead of him beggars belief. It's almost as if they hope NJ fails and we get relegated, which makes me wonder why they actually follow Stoke. I think we have some fans on here who are toxic and will do their utmost to ruin our club. I'm all for free speech but can't get my head around what makes them tick. I'm going for a lie down. Can't disagree with any of that. I was very disappointed to see so many leaving at 3-2 last night. I was willing us to score again just to enjoy the knowledge of the leavers kicking themselves at their toys-out-of-the-pram haste. I'm not saying the end result and performance in the last 20 minutes wasn't a huge let-down, far from it, but FFS - if only for Nathan Jones' sake stay and get behind the team.
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Post by lloydcolesguitar on Jan 16, 2019 11:33:27 GMT
My view for what it is worth (Not a lot !)
I thought we would struggle and at the start of the season would have settled for 50 pts
I say this because of the slow tempo the squad had displayed and didnt think it would chang over night
Ok I am a pessimist but if we were to drop to L1 it would be a disaster
I went th last nights game with nephew and great nephew who are Shrews and my nephew admitted Shrews are a poor side. If we cannot beat them where the heck are we going to get at least 15 points from ?
I feel Jones has potential but at this point this job my be beyond him
In hindsight should we have stayed with Rowett or appointed a safe pair of hands from the merrygo round ?
Time will tell
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 11:33:33 GMT
I've read some of the threads on here and have to say that most of us seem to understand that it's going to take NJ some time to improve morale, fitness and get players to play his way. In my view, this is sensible, measured and shows patience...along with a bit of common sense. This is new era for Stoke and I truly believe that he will drive us forward but needs time. Then I read some of the comments that have been made by the likes of Ibby (sorry to single him out)and am left wondering what on earth is going on in their head. Now I know that we have some on here that like their footy but have no idea about the game and that's probably only to be expected on a football forum but I'm left gobsmacked. Their support (or lack of it)and comments are beyond absurd. Their lack of patience and understanding on the task that NJ has ahead of him beggars belief. It's almost as if they hope NJ fails and we get relegated, which makes me wonder why they actually follow Stoke. I think we have some fans on here who are toxic and will do their utmost to ruin our club. I'm all for free speech but can't get my head around what makes them tick. I'm going for a lie down. Can't disagree with any of that. I was very disappointed to see so many leaving at 3-2 last night. I was willing us to score again just to enjoy the knowledge of the leavers kicking themselves at their toys-out-of-the-pram haste. I'm not saying the end result and performance in the last 20 minutes wasn't a huge let-down, far from it, but FFS - if only for Nathan Jones' sake stay and get behind the team. I left the second their 3rd goal hit the back of the net, and I was back to the car before the whistle went and back in Prestwich for just after 10:30 which please me immensely. It was totally inevitable from the moment they pulled a goal back and I wasn't hanging around to see their players celebrating and ours clapping the fans whilst faking disappointment....
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 16, 2019 11:46:43 GMT
I've read some of the threads on here and have to say that most of us seem to understand that it's going to take NJ some time to improve morale, fitness and get players to play his way. In my view, this is sensible, measured and shows patience...along with a bit of common sense. This is new era for Stoke and I truly believe that he will drive us forward but needs time. Then I read some of the comments that have been made by the likes of Ibby (sorry to single him out)and am left wondering what on earth is going on in their head. Now I know that we have some on here that like their footy but have no idea about the game and that's probably only to be expected on a football forum but I'm left gobsmacked. Their support (or lack of it)and comments are beyond absurd. Their lack of patience and understanding on the task that NJ has ahead of him beggars belief. It's almost as if they hope NJ fails and we get relegated, which makes me wonder why they actually follow Stoke. I think we have some fans on here who are toxic and will do their utmost to ruin our club. I'm all for free speech but can't get my head around what makes them tick. I'm going for a lie down. The one thing about football is that everyone has an opinion, some valid, some not. Just because you have an opinion yourself, it doesn't make you right, neither does it make you wrong. It is just a dominant thought that has come to your head. Based on the last couple of games, we have played better football under Rowett than Jones. He comes across as being out of his depth. League 1 to the championship is a huge leap and I can't see how his approach of attacking football is going to work with this team. We need instant results but to change this team is going to take between 4 to 6 windows to get right. Are you prepared for 3 years of hell on earth and potentially getting relegated again? Respect other fans points of view. And you have summed it all up with (we need instant results) because that’s why we are in this position in the first place ! We have lost everything because the club/board succumbed to fan pressure, what I consider to be a religious unconditional and totally irrational love or even a curse that I was handed at birth, is too other people no more than a form of family entertainment. It served its purpose as the hip kind of thang to do! Let’s go down to the Brit to see Ronaldo, Rooney, Suarez, Lampard, Gerrard etc not because we support Stoke but because we can see the Premier League stars on our doorstep at a fraction of the cost. But then the fans became disenchanted with the product on offer and demanded a change to the menu and so the owners bowed to fans and then the ball began to roll, gone went the local or non Sexy footballers to be replaced by mercenaries, managers came and went and eventually with the disappearance of the Premier League we have the disappearance of the fans ! Am I prepared for 3 years of Hell on earth ? I’ve served a sentence of 55years already and for a crime I didn’t commit ! And so I’d willingly take another 3years, but I’m prepared to be patient I will always have a faith, a unbounded faith that one day we will win the Cup, Premier League & dominate Europe ! But that’s the difference of a hardcore fan and a flyby night fan, I have this curse inside me and it lets my heart rule my head !
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Post by JudgeMental on Jan 16, 2019 11:48:15 GMT
Can't disagree with any of that. I was very disappointed to see so many leaving at 3-2 last night. I was willing us to score again just to enjoy the knowledge of the leavers kicking themselves at their toys-out-of-the-pram haste. I'm not saying the end result and performance in the last 20 minutes wasn't a huge let-down, far from it, but FFS - if only for Nathan Jones' sake stay and get behind the team. I left the second their 3rd goal hit the back of the net, and I was back to the car before the whistle went and back in Prestwich for just after 10:30 which please me immensely. It was totally inevitable from the moment they pulled a goal back and I wasn't hanging around to see their players celebrating and ours clapping the fans whilst faking disappointment.... I stayed til the end, even with a 45-mile, 1 hour journey* home to face. Fair play to you if the journey home decided it for you though. But I wondered how many others lived in ST postcodes. There's many a time I feel like standing up, kicking my seat up and heading for the exits, but somehow I can't bring myself to. * Excluding a ten minute totally static spell on the M6
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 16, 2019 19:21:32 GMT
I've read some of the threads on here and have to say that most of us seem to understand that it's going to take NJ some time to improve morale, fitness and get players to play his way. In my view, this is sensible, measured and shows patience...along with a bit of common sense. This is new era for Stoke and I truly believe that he will drive us forward but needs time. Then I read some of the comments that have been made by the likes of Ibby (sorry to single him out)and am left wondering what on earth is going on in their head. Now I know that we have some on here that like their footy but have no idea about the game and that's probably only to be expected on a football forum but I'm left gobsmacked. Their support (or lack of it)and comments are beyond absurd. Their lack of patience and understanding on the task that NJ has ahead of him beggars belief. It's almost as if they hope NJ fails and we get relegated, which makes me wonder why they actually follow Stoke. I think we have some fans on here who are toxic and will do their utmost to ruin our club. I'm all for free speech but can't get my head around what makes them tick. I'm going for a lie down.
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