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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 3:19:24 GMT
Shrews first goal Shrews third goalTalk about time and space !!
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Post by pottarius on Jan 16, 2019 3:42:45 GMT
I'd say schoolboy defending but TBH it would be unfair, on schoolboys I'm hoping this is the nadir but I really dread what Saturday may bring The whole squad looks shot, or should be sent to be shot - we might recover a little cash from the glue factory
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Post by houstonsteve on Jan 16, 2019 3:48:13 GMT
Parted like.... what's the word....blue ocean ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 6:00:57 GMT
Neither full back anywhere is sight.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jan 16, 2019 6:07:01 GMT
Neither full back anywhere is sight. Wrong... Both full backs are in sight covering their shit centre backs. I think Williams is our best ball playing centre back but you notice that he is in neither of those photos, as the centre back how can he be absent there? Also if you watch the first goal back in a video instead of a photo you’ll see Martins Indi start to attempt to close the player, only to stop a couple of metres away and make no attempt to block the shot, it was easily spotted in real time, I’ve no doubt it will be even more obvious played back. Bruno Martins Indi is a worse defender than Shawcross, as much as many don’t like to admit it. We are desperate for a centre back this month.
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Jan 16, 2019 6:13:19 GMT
Neither full back anywhere is sight. Wrong... Both full backs are in sight covering their shit centre backs. I think Williams is our best ball playing centre back but you notice that he is in neither of those photos, as the centre back how can he be absent there? Also if you watch the first goal back in a video instead of a photo you’ll see Martins Indi start to attempt to close the player, only to stop a couple of metres away and make no attempt to block the shot, it was easily spotted in real time, I’ve no doubt it will be even more obvious played back. Bruno Martins Indi is a worse defender than Shawcross, as much as many don’t like to admit it. We are desperate for a centre back this month. First half I saw Bauer talking to Jones then Williams. I think he was questioning positioning of the CB
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jan 16, 2019 6:18:16 GMT
Wrong... Both full backs are in sight covering their shit centre backs. I think Williams is our best ball playing centre back but you notice that he is in neither of those photos, as the centre back how can he be absent there? Also if you watch the first goal back in a video instead of a photo you’ll see Martins Indi start to attempt to close the player, only to stop a couple of metres away and make no attempt to block the shot, it was easily spotted in real time, I’ve no doubt it will be even more obvious played back. Bruno Martins Indi is a worse defender than Shawcross, as much as many don’t like to admit it. We are desperate for a centre back this month. First half I saw Bauer talking to Jones then Williams. I think he was questioning positioning of the CB Williams is a good footballer and has the ability to take a ball out of defence, he played some neat insicive passes when doing so last night, first half at least when everyone was playing well. He and Bruno, and Shawcross for that matter, are all too slow, and too poor at reading the game these days to have any of them trusted to defend properly anymore. Williams would be good enough with a really good centre back next to him but the other two are awful beyond measure and need dropping completely. Bauer had a decent game, I honestly am gobsmacked by the entire thread of people who seem to think you can just play your first competitive game for months and be on top form and fitness. He isn’t an amazing player, but he is the best full back we have.
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Jan 16, 2019 6:22:06 GMT
First half I saw Bauer talking to Jones then Williams. I think he was questioning positioning of the CB Williams is a good footballer and has the ability to take a ball out of defence, he played some neat insicive passes when doing so last night, first half at least when everyone was playing well. He and Bruno, and Shawcross for that matter, are all too slow, and too poor at reading the game these days to have any of them trusted to defend properly anymore. Williams would be good enough with a really good centre back next to him but the other two are awful beyond measure and need dropping completely. Bauer had a decent game, I honestly am gobsmacked by the entire thread of people who seem to think you can just play your first competitive game for months and be on top form and fitness. He isn’t an amazing player, but he is the best full back we have. The whole set up looks bereft of ideas. The manager can do so much but once they cross the line it’s on them. The middle of MF were constantly fa ING the wrong way. We were hugely predictable mainly because the players aren’t thinking. Void of confidence, passion and real fitness.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 16, 2019 6:52:55 GMT
Shrews first goal Shrews third goalTalk about time and space !! He plays with no width. Nether full back has any cover. It's a shit system.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 7:28:50 GMT
In fairness to Tymon for their first he probably wasnt expecting Clucas to just give them the ball in our own defensive third.....
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Post by adi on Jan 16, 2019 7:36:28 GMT
Shrews first goal Shrews third goalTalk about time and space !! He plays with no width. Nether full back has any cover. It's a shit system. Such an expert on Jones almost to obsessive levels. It’s incredible how much hatred you have for Jones. Almost offended at him having a religion it’s fucking weird.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 16, 2019 7:42:15 GMT
Shrews first goal Shrews third goalTalk about time and space !! He plays with no width. Nether full back has any cover. It's a shit system. You’re better than this mate, stop being such a wankstain and sort yourself out. You sound like a spoilt kid. The CM’s are supposed to drop in when the full backs go forward.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 16, 2019 7:51:48 GMT
He plays with no width. Nether full back has any cover. It's a shit system. You’re better than this mate, stop being such a wankstain and sort yourself out. You sound like a spoilt kid. The CM’s are supposed to drop in when the full backs go forward. I'm pointing out holes in his system. Is that not allowed?
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 16, 2019 7:53:55 GMT
You’re better than this mate, stop being such a wankstain and sort yourself out. You sound like a spoilt kid. The CM’s are supposed to drop in when the full backs go forward. I'm pointing out holes in his system. Is that not allowed? You were on NJ’s back before a ball was even kicked. I have just told you how the system is supposed to work, the players aren’t used to it yet. I’m sure he wouldn’t set us up to purposefully leave big holes at the back like that.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jan 16, 2019 7:54:05 GMT
Parted like.... what's the word....blue ocean ? The red sea.
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Post by musik on Jan 16, 2019 7:59:43 GMT
He and Bruno, and Shawcross for that matter, are all too slow, and too poor at reading the game these days to have any of them trusted to defend properly anymore. New CBs pls!
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Post by musik on Jan 16, 2019 8:04:47 GMT
Both full backs are in sight covering their shit centre backs. I think Williams --- he is in neither of those photos, as the centre back how can he be absent there? Williams is slower than slow.
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Post by Davef on Jan 16, 2019 8:12:28 GMT
Compare how comfortably their League One players despatched their chances with the pathetic efforts of Ince and McClean though...
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jan 16, 2019 8:14:11 GMT
Shrews first goal Shrews third goalTalk about time and space !! He plays with no width. Nether full back has any cover. It's a shit system. It's not a shit system if you have good fullbacks - but we don't and I'm sure that'll be addressed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 8:15:25 GMT
Neither full back anywhere is sight. Wrong... Both full backs are in sight covering their shit centre backs. I think Williams is our best ball playing centre back but you notice that he is in neither of those photos, as the centre back how can he be absent there? Also if you watch the first goal back in a video instead of a photo you’ll see Martins Indi start to attempt to close the player, only to stop a couple of metres away and make no attempt to block the shot, it was easily spotted in real time, I’ve no doubt it will be even more obvious played back. Bruno Martins Indi is a worse defender than Shawcross, as much as many don’t like to admit it. We are desperate for a centre back this month. I know they're in the picture. That's not what I was getting at. There's no excuse for Tymon to be as central as he is on the first goal. None whatsoever. On the third goal it is his error high up the pitch that starts off the chain, including helping to drag one of our centre halves completely out. Bauer is just all over the place and is very indecisive. Time will tell if his ability going forward will circumvent his, at best, ropey defensive nous.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 16, 2019 8:33:37 GMT
For flying wing backs to work you have to have quick centre backs and midfielders with the energy and awareness to cover. We have neither. Rowett realised this and reverted to a flat back four. This shored up the defence at the expense of the attacking side of the game and the goals dried up. Jones has started in the same way as Rowett and is now facing exactly the same problems. We are a soft touch down the wings and as a result we will continue to leak goals. The second half of the season is going to look like the first half of the season - if we're lucky.
Sacking Rowett has solved nothing. I expect Jones will get two home defeats before the bed sheets are out again.
The January transfer window will solve very little. If we get lucky we may get a couple in who are first team ready - the real work starts in the summer. Until then Jones may have to adapt his style to the realities of our situation in order to stave off relegation - for which of course he will get no end of abuse on here.
If we are going to play flying wing backs we either need to consider 5 at the back or get in a couple of fast centre backs and/or a midfield destroyer in January - which probably won't happen, Either that or bring back the much maligned Pieters and Martina and revert to a flat back four and nick enough games to keep us up.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jan 16, 2019 8:44:52 GMT
He plays with no width. Nether full back has any cover. It's a shit system. It's not a shit system if you have good fullbacks - but we don't and I'm sure that'll be addressed. He's expecting full backs to play as wingbacks in a back 4. I don't see how that works.
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Post by pez75 on Jan 16, 2019 9:26:26 GMT
It's not a shit system if you have good fullbacks - but we don't and I'm sure that'll be addressed. He's expecting full backs to play as wingbacks in a back 4. I don't see how that works. Lots of teams do it and not all use the diamond. Look at Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Citeh and many others - they all play 4 at the back and the fullbacks are an integral part of the attack. It just a matter of training, but Jones' is clearly not going to be given the time judging by some of the morons on here...
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Post by Stokie in Sydney on Jan 16, 2019 9:35:15 GMT
He's expecting full backs to play as wingbacks in a back 4. I don't see how that works. Lots of teams do it and not all use the diamond. Look at Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Citeh and many others - they all play 4 at the back and the fullbacks are an integral part of the attack. It just a matter of training, but Jones' is clearly not going to be given the time judging by some of the morons on here... Jones is underwhelming to say the least. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, how the tables have turned for all the Rowett haters!
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Post by stokecity4life on Jan 16, 2019 9:40:35 GMT
Neither full back anywhere is sight. Wrong... Both full backs are in sight covering their shit centre backs. I think Williams is our best ball playing centre back but you notice that he is in neither of those photos, as the centre back how can he be absent there? Also if you watch the first goal back in a video instead of a photo you’ll see Martins Indi start to attempt to close the player, only to stop a couple of metres away and make no attempt to block the shot, it was easily spotted in real time, I’ve no doubt it will be even more obvious played back. Bruno Martins Indi is a worse defender than Shawcross, as much as many don’t like to admit it. We are desperate for a centre back this month. This.
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Post by pez75 on Jan 16, 2019 9:57:11 GMT
Lots of teams do it and not all use the diamond. Look at Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Citeh and many others - they all play 4 at the back and the fullbacks are an integral part of the attack. It just a matter of training, but Jones' is clearly not going to be given the time judging by some of the morons on here... Jones is underwhelming to say the least. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, how the tables have turned for all the Rowett haters! What a ridiculous thing to say after 2 games. Regardless of all the rest of the shit happening, the club were absolutely right to sack Rowett. Now they have to back their man and his style of football.
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Post by henry on Jan 16, 2019 9:57:58 GMT
He's expecting full backs to play as wingbacks in a back 4. I don't see how that works. Lots of teams do it and not all use the diamond. Look at Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Citeh and many others - they all play 4 at the back and the fullbacks are an integral part of the attack. It just a matter of training, but Jones' is clearly not going to be given the time judging by some of the morons on here... You are giving examples of the top teams in Europe on how stoke should play!
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Post by mrred on Jan 16, 2019 10:00:45 GMT
Lots of teams do it and not all use the diamond. Look at Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Citeh and many others - they all play 4 at the back and the fullbacks are an integral part of the attack. It just a matter of training, but Jones' is clearly not going to be given the time judging by some of the morons on here... how the tables have turned for all the Rowett haters! What a bizarre comment.
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Post by pez75 on Jan 16, 2019 10:03:42 GMT
Lots of teams do it and not all use the diamond. Look at Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool, Citeh and many others - they all play 4 at the back and the fullbacks are an integral part of the attack. It just a matter of training, but Jones' is clearly not going to be given the time judging by some of the morons on here... You are giving examples of the top teams in Europe on how stoke should play! No, I just listed the first teams that entered my head. I am merely pointing out that lots of teams play a system with 4 at the back and get the fullbacks supporting the attack. They do not have to be wingbacks in a back 5. If I could be arsed I could probably list a load more teams at our level and below that do it too - e.g. Luton!
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 16, 2019 10:07:06 GMT
You’re better than this mate, stop being such a wankstain and sort yourself out. You sound like a spoilt kid. The CM’s are supposed to drop in when the full backs go forward. I'm pointing out holes in his system. Is that not allowed? The second and third goals were conceded playing 4-3-3, so it's just a bit irrelevant really.
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